What would it take for non-RC Christians to join the RCC?

Open Heart · Jul 14, 2015

Berean777 said:
Are you saying that ALL or majority of none Catholics are espousing such lawless relationships.

I never use the word ALL, and I didn't indicate this was something true of only of non-Catholics. Trust me, the rot extends across the Tiber. Indifferentism infects us all.

Berean777 · Jul 14, 2015

Open Heart said:
I never use the word ALL, and I didn't indicate this was something true of only of non-Catholics. Trust me, the rot extends across the Tiber. Indifferentism infects us all.

That is true! But have faith for God has his people in all denominations working to uphold his righteousness,

Acts 18:9-11
9One night the Lord spoke to Paul in a vision: “Do not be afraid; keep on speaking, do not be silent. 10For I am with you, and no one is going to attack and harm you, because I have many people in this city.” 11So Paul stayed in Corinth for a year and a half, teaching them the word of God.

No denomination is without blemish, though those who are God's people in every denomination are united in Christ. There is no disunity of believers even across denominations or within denominations. The disunity within and without denominations are those who are not in Union with Christ and are just in there to make trouble and to persecute God's people.

So where ever we go the baggage is always with us. So this is further evidence that you have provided as to what it will take for people to come to RCC, it will require their baggage and Rome's baggage to be united. Too many baggage handlers required in that scenario and that is why diversity in smaller dispersed denominations are more manageable for Christ than one huge enterprise that requires many baggage handlers.

Yes in some denominations those who have brought disunity to Christ have advocated same sex marriages and divorces and they in due season will be recompensed by God. Just like a merchant who sells his goods and divides his goods across five ships and when one or two are lost at sea he still has wealth, however had he placed all his goods in the one ship, all would have been lost. This should not be foreign to a Hebrew because diversifying your faith across denominations is a safe guard against such reproach by the enemy.

Open Heart · Jul 14, 2015

Berean777 said:
That is true! But have faith for God has his people in all denominations working to uphold his righteousness,

Please don't direct any more of your books on the wonders of divided christianity to me. I've told you that I'm no longer discussing it with you. I am trying to discuss indifferentism with you. If you can handle a different topic, fine. If you are going to use it as an excuse to bombard me with the first topic, then I'm going to have to ignore everything you write.

Berean777 · Jul 14, 2015

Open Heart said:
Please don't direct any more of your books on the wonders of divided christianity to me. I've told you that I'm no longer discussing it with you. I am trying to discuss indifferentism with you. If you can handle a different topic, fine. If you are going to use it as an excuse to bombard me with the first topic, then I'm going to have to ignore everything you write.

Ok thank you for your kind words.

MarkRohfrietsch · Jul 15, 2015

Berean777 said:
Are you saying that ALL or majority of none Catholics are espousing such lawless relationships.

I don't think that's what Open Heart is saying; but there is no questions that some of the largest Churches within protestantism have officially either embraced or condoned these things.

Berean777 · Jul 15, 2015

Berean777 · Jul 15, 2015

MarkRohfrietsch · Jul 15, 2015

Berean777 said:
Christianity is not safe in large numbers. To withstand the enemies onslaught it needs to split into further cells and down size and humble itself according to its early beginnings. Safety in numbers is a delusion and represents a bigger target for the enemy.
Joining to become one big church is a compromise that will lead to Zechariah 14 where many will fall fowl to the trap the devil has instrumented.
We need to fight this spiritual war from Alexander's fifth column approach to send the enemy in all directions, by compounding them. To join Rome is to accept defeat because Rome is not safe from the Devil's attack. In fact when Rome the strong man goes down by becoming a statistic like the major Protestant denominations who have embraced this foley, then the rest of Christianity is between a rock and a hard place. The fifth column will ensure the survival of Christianity from the wrath of God upon those who have sold out their faith in order to be a accepted by the world. Christianity is under fierce attack by the enemy and the comprise of joining Rome is like throwing in the towel.

First, I'm not advocating joining Rome. The thing is that this splintering into little cells is often the result of people making the church into what they think it should be. Each time there is a split, one side is the wrong side. Further splintering only assures more heterodoxy.

If you think that Rome is the greatest evil, I'm afraid that your are ignoring other evils as well.

Berean777 · Jul 15, 2015

MarkRohfrietsch said:
First, I'm not advocating joining Rome. The thing is that this splintering into little cells is often the result of people making the church into what they think it should be. Each time there is a split, one side is the wrong side. Further splintering only assures more heterodoxy.

If you think that Rome is the greatest evil, I'm afraid that your are ignoring other evils as well.

Rome is the strong man I said and once this strong man be taken out, then Christianity is between a rock and a hard place. How does the cells in a body work, does not God duplicate and multiply them? How is it not possible for Christianity to go back to its early beginning where there were many smaller groups of worshipers. Christians in Iran do just that and when ever there is persecution whether it is physical in non western countries or spiritual in western countries, then which approach works best? To join and become one big sinkable ship or to break into cells and look at the spiritual fight from a fifth column perspective. I can't believe it but I knew from 2012 this was going to eventually happen and everyone was asleep and even now Christians are just standing and saying in their hearts that nothing is happening.

We are to support Rome in its stance against the enemies reproach but act as its fifth column, without needing to officially join it. Offcource we have to support the strong man, but we have to believe that even without the strong man that we have unity in Christ. Are we to ask protection from Rome or from God?

samcarternx · Jul 15, 2015

Who needs, or wants denominations ? Like motorcycle clubs wearing their colors on their jackets. We are all instruments of God's will, not our own. The five-fold ministry does not rule the church, but trains up youngsters in the way they should go until they can take their place among us. None of us can boast in accomplishments, because we all employ the same gift of faith to receive the grace to do anything of value. History exposes the contentions among us and only sticking to the truth of the gospel and sound doctrine as a group will these divisions disappear. We all should be in agreement with God and doing and saying what Jesus did. If we did, none of us would be wrong.

Albion · Jul 16, 2015

samcarternx said:
None of us can boast in accomplishments, because we all employ the same gift of faith to receive the grace to do anything of value. History exposes the contentions among us and only sticking to the truth of the gospel and sound doctrine as a group will these divisions disappear. We all should be in agreement with God and doing and saying what Jesus did. If we did, none of us would be wrong.

So easy to say but nearly impossible to achieve.

samcarternx · Jul 16, 2015

Albion said:
So easy to say but nearly impossible to achieve.

Still, keyword is nearly. It maybe those in denominations like them so much they will not budge and forgo the blessings that come with brothers in harmony.

Albion · Jul 16, 2015

samcarternx said:
Still, keyword is nearly. It maybe that those in denominations like them so much they will not budge and forgo the blessings that come with brothers in harmony.

I'd be interested in having you actually show how everyone will suddenly become of one mind (and one church organization). We already have numerous denominations that say that everyone else ought to join them, and that this will unite all believers, but just how can having everyone actually come together in agreement on all religious matters happen?

Berean777 · Jul 16, 2015

Albion said:
I'd be interested in having you actually show how everyone will suddenly become of one mind (and one church organization). We already have numerous denominations that say that everyone else ought to join them, and that this will unite all believers, but just how can having everyone actually come together in agreement on all religious matters happen?

Eureka moment when God reveals his word and all cannot help but be one mind concerning to what has been revealed to all. Though one mind, it doesn't mean one denomination.

Albion · Jul 16, 2015

Berean777 said:
Eureka moment when God reveals his word and all cannot help but be one mind

So that means it cannot be engineered by us mortals thinking it would be a good idea to come together.

Though one mind, it doesn't mean one denomination.

and that appears to be the exact opposite of what has been argued here so far.

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miamited · Jul 16, 2015

Open Heart said:
Let's discuss Purgatory first. Purgatory is actually not a Catholic idea. It's Jewish. It comes from the Pharisee's concept of Gehenna. The believed if you were a truly evil person your soul was destroyed after death. But everyone else was going to be resurrected. From the time you died until the resurrection, you went to a TEMPORARY place called gehenna. Most who were sinful suffered terribly there. The righteous did not. To this day, Jews pray for the departed in Gehenna for eleven months after they have died. You see this Pharisee Gehenna in the story of Lazarus and the rich man, where Lazarus was in Abraham's bosom, and the rich man was suffering for his greed. So every time you see the word Gehenna in the gospels, thing "purgatory."

Hi OH,

Ok, let's see, your claim is that the catholic organization teaches purgatory because the pharisees taught purgatory.

Gosh, I wonder what other things the pharisees got wrong?

Let's see, they didn't believe that Jesus was the Messiah. They didn't understand about being born again. Jesus claimed of them that they were white washed sepulchers and that they were far from the kingdom of God and that they were children of the devil. The greatest human spokesperson for the new covenant faith is Paul, who after having met the risen Lord, renounced all that the pharisees taught him and was then subject to death by the very pharisees of which he used to be a part.

So, you're going to follow some catholic belief because you believe it to be based on what the pharisees believed. OK.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

Berean777 · Jul 16, 2015

Albion said:
So that means it cannot be engineered by us mortals thinking it would be a good idea to come together.

and that appears to be the exact opposite of what has been argued here so far.

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Yes that is right it cannot be engineered, for God will re-open the highway in due time.

I would say to join RCC or for RCC to join other denominations as one mind doesn't mean that everyone sells up and joins up congregationally under the umbrella of Rome's all religions ecumenical movement.

One mind means is to support that word which God reveals, so that all denomination flock to that one highway. At the moment it appears there are many minds, even though there be unity in Christ. When the word is revealed, then all will be compelled to use the highway without paying much attention to their denomination. Physical joining under a worldly denominational name will not be the focus, instead all will have the uncontrollable urge to act as one mind, at the time of God's choosing.

samcarternx · Jul 16, 2015

There is a war between flesh and spirit. The early church was the undivided spiritually, but as Paul said, the carnal would take over. I don't know how to reverse the process, since I have been rejected from the denominational groups I have been associated with. testimony: I was born into an Episcopal church. Mid-teens I look around from my pew at the sunday morning congregation. I saw them from the young to the old and knew there were none different from me. I may have been worse than they, but we were all broken organic machines. If I remained there I would end up going to church on sunday for the next 50 years and nothing would change. I did not remain, yet God in His great mercy sent from above and took me. He drew me out of many waters. He delivered me from my strong enemy, because they were to mighty for me. Now I live in the kingdom of God with all the blessings that go with that. I know everyone should, could, and would be where I am, but they are not. I want to help.

Berean777 · Jul 16, 2015

As Saint Peter feed the church in the 1st century church, that is when the 1st hour started, the brand new highway was opened. Almost 2000 years later after all denominations languish, God is clearing out the obstacles on the highway, so that he reopens it for the final 11th hour. This final hour will be the precursor to the unified mind in Christ and will lead to the destruction of the seven hilled Holy City (the church) by the hand of Satan.

Remembering that the 1st century unified church came within Satan's radar and he sought to stop the preaching of the gospel. The final hour will be that final rally and this time a new player will also tag along by picking up the baton and they will be those who were FIRST WHO THEN BECAME LAST.

So in line with Malachy's prophecy another Petrus Romanus will God raise, so to bring about that one mind by feeding his church the word that will compel all to be one mind in the final rally before the end.

You have seen nothing yet, God's master piece is the jigsaw of thousands of denominations that he is going to put together in one day, as opposed to man's engineered failures that has been ongoing for the last 3-4 decades.

One word will change the world forever!

LittleLambofJesus · Jul 16, 2015

Berean777 said:
Yes that is right it cannot be engineered, for God will re-open the highway in due time.

I would say to join RCC or for RCC to join other denominations as one mind doesn't mean that everyone sells up and joins up congregationally under the umbrella of Rome's all religions ecumenical movement.

One mind means is to support that word which God reveals, so that all denomination flock to that one highway. At the moment it appears there are many minds, even though there be unity in Christ. When the word is revealed, then all will be compelled to use the highway without paying much attention to their denomination. Physical joining under a worldly denominational name will not be the focus, instead all will have the uncontrollable urge to act as one mind, at the time of God's choosing.

Interesting. Perhaps that is describing those 10 Kings in Revelation? But in that case, whom would the prostitute in vs 16 be representing those 10 kings are destroying?
I and some others view the "harlot" as possibly being OC Jerusalem [instead of pagan Rome as some others believe........Thoughts?

Reve 17:
12 And the ten horns which you saw, ten kings are, who any a-Kingdom not-yet received, but authority as kings, one hour they are receiving with the wild-beast,
13 These are having one-mind are having, and the power and authority of them to the wild beast they are giving
16 And the ten horns which you perceived, and the wild beast, these shall be hating the prostitute, and desolated and naked they shall be making her.
And the fleshes of her they shall be eating, and her they shall be burning down in fire.
17 For GOD gives into the hearts of them to do the purpose of Him, and to do/make one purpose, and to give their Kingdom to the wild-beast until shall be being finished the Words of GOD.

http://www.bible.ca/pre-destruction70AD-george-holford-1805AD.htm

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