Daniel's 70 Week Prophecy Explained (No Future 7 Year Tribulation, Only 3.5 Year Great Tribulation)

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vinsight4u said:

the people

Why do the heathen////nations
rage, and the people///Israel
imagine a vain thing
from Psalms 2:1

Acts 4:27
"For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou
anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles,
and the people of Israel, were gathered together."

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They were applying Psalms 2 in Acts 4 because it seemed to fit the situation at the time... and in Acts were applying it to the Jewish religious leaders. They were unaware of its actual end times fulfillment because Revelation had not been given until later; so they didn't have the whole picture. Psalms 2 has to do with Revelation 16 and the kings of the earth assembling their armies at Armageddon to make war on Jesus to try and stop His Return.

The people in Psalms 2 is talking about the people of the earth who will vainly think they can fight against Jesus.

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vinsight4u said:

Herod, Pilate, Gentiles, the people of Israel

Herod and Pilate - were not Jewish religious leaders

The prophecy is explained in Acts 4.
For - Because - of a truth.
This is past, they were not needing to hear about events in Revelation
to understand it.

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The point I am making is that in end times the Jews are not going to try and make war on Jesus. It is the heathen, the 666ers, them who are pinning their hopes on the beast who will rage and image a vain thing.

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Douggg said:

And where did Jesus call the animal sacrifices by the Jews as being "abominations"? You have wrongly chosen to call the daily sacrifice an abomination.

Jesus referred to the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet. That and the abomination of transgression in Daniel 8 which is end times, are the overspreading of abominations. They are called abominations in the text. The daily sacrifice is called the daily sacrifice.

The war being spoken of is the war against the saints in Daniel 7:20-21, 7:25 and Daniel 8:24-25 and in Revelation 13:7.

That war on the saints does not end until Jesus returns to complete the 70 weeks.

It is not consummation of the daily sacrifice - because in the text, it says the seventy weeks are determined, not the end of the daily sacrifice are determined. And the Romans did not destroy the temple and city because they were Christians - Jesus's people. I don't understand how you could say that.

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No I am not, you are mistaken.

The daily sacrifice is not the customary Jewish sacrifice. It is the daily atonement for our sins that was posted on the cross at Calvary. The the abomination that maketh desolate comes at the symbolic 1290 day marker. The 70th week is the time given to the two witnesses to preach the gospel for the last and final time for the 1260 days. From 1260 to the revealing of the man of sin at the 1290 day marker removes the atonement sacrifice in the cross because a counterfeit messiah presents himself whom the world will accept as messiah. From 1290 to 1335 days are the judgements that fall upon those who believed in the false messiah and for those remaining elect who survive until the 1335, leading up to the brightness of the Lord's coming when seventh trumpet is sounded signals the end. These last remaining elect are the last good wine to the wedding.

My comment

Psalms 2 is the Lord's view of an entire intransigent lost world of humans that has refused to believe the truth about Him [2 Thessalonians 2:8-12]

And the setting will be at the end of this present age [Matthew 24:36-39; Jude 1:14-15; Revelation 6:12-17]

.... and so He will give them the devil instead [Revelation 12:12] .... for a short time

And the daily sacrifice that the Satan's beast in the little horn will stop is Israel's praying at the base of the temple mount [the western wall]

The little horn and his followers will attack, invade, and occupy Israel, Jerusalem, and the temple mount at the middle of the 70th week decreed and then rule over Israel for 42 months [1260 days] [Ezekiel 38; 39; Daniel 8:9-14; 8:23-25; 11:41; Revelation 11:2; 13:1-5]

Kiss the son, lest he be angry, and ye perish in the way, For his wrath will soon be kindled. Blessed are all they that take refuge in him.

The Son is the only refuge and Jehovah isn't planning on taking prisoners when the false messiah comes and he deceives the world to worship him and do away with the daily sacrifice.

If an earthly messiah shows up he will have to do away with the cross and to support a levitical priesthood which would be diametrically opposed to the above verse.

Scripture States that there is only one priesthood and this priesthood is eternal with Christ, because he lives forever.

70th week was not closed up because Daniel's people did not fulfil the six conditions by kissing the Son and so the first will become the last. 70th week is left open for them to also come onboard.

It was determined for Daniel's people but the builders rejected the stone and the 70th week continues until eventfully they see there is no messiah coming and they need to kiss the cross. I see a final rally happening where it parallels the 1st century rally that had the drama with all the bells and whistles with it.

Because when God makes a decree he is ever patient for the stragglers to get onboard and we may be at that turning point in Jewish history where they will realise that messiah has already come and they missed the boat and that now is the time to jump onboard and kiss the Son.

The 70th week is still pending .... the Lord's call to start

None of the 6 objectives for Israel during the period have come to pass .... but this is going to happen

And it is the Lord who will confirm His covenant with those of Israel who will turn to Him during the coming 70th week .... 1/3 will turn and He will save them to enter His millennial kingdom upon the earth [Isaiah 11; 27:12-13; Zechariah 13:8-8; Matthew 24:29-31; Romans 11:25-36]

The balance of 2/3 will not turn and they will be killed in the time of Jacob's trouble [the 70th week] and lost forever [Jeremiah 30; Matthew 24: Luke 21:20-36]

vinsight4u said:

So then Psalms 2:1 is not about the end times. It has Israel against the Lord as - the people.
Acts even tells us that. the Gentiles - and the people of Israel
Acts of the Apostles 4:25-26
"...Why did the heathen rage, and the people imagine vain things?
Later it tells how this came to pass.

"For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus...and the people of Israel
were gathered together..." It doesn't just say the rulers of Israel.

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It's not vain things in Psalms 2, but a vain thing. And the text in Psalms 2 goes on to tell what the vain thing is in verse 3... they will want to stop Jesus and his armies of heaven, to make war on them to break them up.

1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?

2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord, and against his anointed, saying,

3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.

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In Revelation 19, Jesus will be returning with his armies of heaven. That is the bands in verse 3. Them in Psalms 2, the heathen people of the world will not want Jesus and the returning saints to rule and reign over them and this world. Israel and Jerusalem, on the other hand, at that time will be Christians, saying "blessed is He who comes in the name of Lord" embracing Jesus coming with the saints.

Psalms 2 has nothing to do with Israel, that generation rejecting Jesus, back in the 1st century when read in awareness of what it says in Revelation. Them in Acts didn't have that information at the time. So, they reacted to the pressure from the religious leaders in Acts 4:18 and Acts 4:21 to stop preaching Jesus, with Psalms 2 coming to mind.... without awareness of Revelation.

Berean777 said:

No I am not, you are mistaken.

The daily sacrifice is not the customary Jewish sacrifice. It is the daily atonement for our sins that was posted on the cross at Calvary. The the abomination that maketh desolate comes at the symbolic 1290 day marker. The 70th week is the time given to the two witnesses to preach the gospel for the last and final time for the 1260 days. From 1260 to the revealing of the man of sin at the 1290 day marker removes the atonement sacrifice in the cross because a counterfeit messiah presents himself whom the world will accept as messiah. From 1290 to 1335 days are the judgements that fall upon those who believed in the false messiah and for those remaining elect who survive until the 1335, leading up to the brightness of the Lord's coming when seventh trumpet is sounded signals the end. These last remaining elect are the last good wine to the wedding.

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The daily sacrifice was established under the Mt. Sinai covenant. It is called the Tamid sacrifice, or perpetual sacrifice. A lamb is sacrificed daily. http://www.templeinstitute.org/day_in_life/chamber_of_lambs.htm So I don't understand the basis of you saying "the daily sacrifice is not the customary Jewish sacrifice"

The day of Atonement holy day, on the other hand, is when all of the sins of Israel are atoned for that year.

The day of Atonement Holy Day is what Paul was referring to as being a temporary measure that had to be done over and over every year, and what made it imperfect, as atonement for the sins of all Israel, as well as not being able to erase the conscience.

The overflowing of abominations that in the future will make the temple desolate - no performing of the daily sacrifice, as well as the annual Day of Atonement ceremonial sacrifices - is (1) the transgression of desolation. That's the term in the text of Daniel 8:12-13. The transgression of desolation is the act of the person in 2thessalonians2 going into the temple and claiming to be God. (2) the abomination of desolation, which comes after the person is killed for that act, and is subsequently brought back to life to be shortly cast alive into the lake of fire, is the image of the beast in Revelation 13. and what will be set in the temple as it pertains to Daniel 12.

transgression of desolation > 2thessalonians2:3-4 the man of sin's action of sitting in the temple

abomination of desolation> Daniel 12, Revelation 13 the image of him

People with preteristic [past] amil theologies have been taught in error and as you watch them you will see that they all do the same thing in order to protect the dogmas of their religious affiliations

All of them do not recognize large portions of the writings of the Bible prophets as still yet unfulfilled, and they will do just about anything to eliminate the same .... either trying to prove some made up past fulfillment, committing the literal to metaphor and allegory, or just flat ignoring the same

This behavior is prevalent today and committed by the majority of the professing "church"

All prophecy can be understood literally, past fulfilled, and future unfulfilled .... the past fulfilled 100% .... and so will the balance to come be the same

Right dividing of the prophetic word is essential for correct rendering and one must possess an accurate knowledge of recorded historical events

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