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So Paul is tell us that our bodies, which is flesh is consider a natural body. So we have spiritual and we have natural. You say theres nothing natural in the creation, but Paul disagree and so do I. Theres a time when our natural bodies will be raise a spiritual body, like Jesus body was raise.

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...So tell me, Tanzel, How is the flesh body of the Adam nature/spirit different from the flesh body of the Christ [the One Living Spirit] spirit?
And did you know that the body of Flesh that Christ is come in is the same body of flesh that He is wearing now and forever? It could not corrupt in three days and three nights while His Spirit and soul were absent from it, while it lay in the tomb. His flesh of supernatural incarnation is which was prepared in the womb of the virgin and which He put on like a garment [the Garment of Salvation/Yeshua] is His own body to wear forever and forever, as our "Everlasting Father" of the human being race named "Israel", not named "Adam".
We are Adam in our flesh nature, and that nature is the spirit of our being, which is fallen and not a son of God, and is "sensual/natural", not "spiritual" since the divorce from the Glory above, when our first father [and we, in his loins; for we were created as seed in his loins to come into our Adam being in our pre-ordained season as sons of God of the Adam nature/kind/being], died in spirit/nature and got cast out of Eden above and back to the earth below to labor fruitlessly, and could never enter the Garden again and eat of the Tree of Life and live forever, in that vanity of being, as a never dying worm, cast into in the Lake of Fire.
God planned a new nature/flesh body for us in the New Man name, without corruption and without sin.

The New Man body is flesh, spirit, and blood: just like the old man body is, but the old man is dead as to his nature, for that word, "nature", means "sensual"; and that is the fallen state of the Adam flesh, for the body is "dead, because of sin"; meaning it is not "alive unto the father of Glory". It is sensual, but it is a supernaturally created and sustained flesh, and the breath of it is supernatural, in that it is "on loan from God", and the soul of it is existing in a supernatural state, having been written in the Book of Life, in heaven, to come into the Adam being, as Adam seed, "multiplied", in it's pre-ordained season, boundaried by it's pre-ordained days, with each part of it supernaturrally written in the Book of Life to be formed for the supernaturally created soul to indwell, in the Adam spirit/nature/flesh, of its being.

Now as to the creation: it is all "supernatural"-read Genesis 1, 2,3; and the body we wear is supernaturally created and supernaturally existing in God, "for in Him we live and move and have our being" Acts 17:28 -at least until the day of judgment, for the unregenerated, when they will suffer the second death and go to the blackness of darkness forever; but while they live in their supernaturally created flesh bodies of the Adam nature, Christ is the LIGHT that lights every human being that comes into the world, seeking all to seek Him -and he who seeks, finds.
John 1:9


He is fully human, but His created flesh of the New Man Spirit is not of the created flesh of the old man spirit.
 
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All on this forum should believe in the Lord's promise to keep His true ecclesia from His coming unprecedented judgment of an unbelieving world [most of the 8 billion on the earth] [Psalms 2 Matthew 24:36-39; Jude 1:14-15; Revelation 6:12-17]

This He is going to do .... no doubt
The promises are sure that those who watch and pray to be counted worthy to escape all these things coming on all the world and to stand before the Son of Man in heaven, garmented in the robes of the heavenly order of the Priesthood of the adopted sons of the Firstborn, will escape.
If one lives ready to go, then if the body is shed before the Rapture of the Church, then the soul that departs the flesh body of them has a sure promise of coming in the heavens with Christ, to receive their own regenerated flesh body back, to wear as their own regenerated flesh body forever and forever....
 
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No doubt

To doubt the Lord on this matter is a mistake and is being made by the majority of the professing church today

He has said to be ready [saved] for a reason .... His action will come unexpectedly and with no prior warning or signs

And He is very clear about where the line is drawn [Matthew 25:1-13; Revelation 3:9-22]

Those who have been duped into thinking otherwise will get caught in the tribulation .... and they will have to turn and repent during a very confusing and deceptive environment
 
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...So tell me, Tanzel, How is the flesh body of the Adam nature/spirit different from the flesh body of the Christ [the One Living Spirit] spirit?
And did you know that the body of Flesh that Christ is come in is the same body of flesh that He is wearing now and forever? It could not corrupt in three days and three nights while His Spirit and soul were absent from it, while it lay in the tomb. His flesh of supernatural incarnation is which was prepared in the womb of the virgin and which He put on like a garment [the Garment of Salvation/Yeshua] is His own body to wear forever and forever, as our "Everlasting Father" of the human being race named "Israel", not named "Adam".
We are Adam in our flesh nature, and that nature is the spirit of our being, which is fallen and not a son of God, and is "sensual/natural", not "spiritual" since the divorce from the Glory above, when our first father [and we, in his loins; for we were created as seed in his loins to come into our Adam being in our pre-ordained season as sons of God of the Adam nature/kind/being], died in spirit/nature and got cast out of Eden above and back to the earth below to labor fruitlessly, and could never enter the Garden again and eat of the Tree of Life and live forever, in that vanity of being, as a never dying worm, cast into in the Lake of Fire.
God planned a new nature/flesh body for us in the New Man name, without corruption and without sin.

The New Man body is flesh, spirit, and blood: just like the old man body is, but the old man is dead as to his nature, for that word, "nature", means "sensual"; and that is the fallen state of the Adam flesh, for the body is "dead, because of sin"; meaning it is not "alive unto the father of Glory". It is sensual, but it is a supernaturally created and sustained flesh, and the breath of it is supernatural, in that it is "on loan from God", and the soul of it is existing in a supernatural state, having been written in the Book of Life, in heaven, to come into the Adam being, as Adam seed, "multiplied", in it's pre-ordained season, boundaried by it's pre-ordained days, with each part of it supernaturrally written in the Book of Life to be formed for the supernaturally created soul to indwell, in the Adam spirit/nature/flesh, of its being.

Now as to the creation: it is all "supernatural"-read Genesis 1, 2,3; and the body we wear is supernaturally created and supernaturally existing in God, "for in Him we live and move and have our being" Acts 17:28 -at least until the day of judgment, for the unregenerated, when they will suffer the second death and go to the blackness of darkness forever; but while they live in their supernaturally created flesh bodies of the Adam nature, Christ is the LIGHT that lights every human being that comes into the world, seeking all to seek Him -and he who seeks, finds.
John 1:9


He is fully human, but His created flesh of the New Man Spirit is not of the created flesh of the old man spirit.

Jesus say in John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Notice He made a difference between flesh and spirit. Lets go into 1 Corinthians 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. 47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. This verse explain verses 45,46
48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

I'm starting to think that you don't quite believe in the Bible. You continue to make up things that can't be proven in the Bible. Adam alway was flesh, born flesh. Jesus was the only one first spirit, then born flesh, afterward spirit again. Thats why Jesus is called to first fruits, giving us a example to what will happen to all flesh, at the time appointed.
Paul say in 1 Corinthians 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
 
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In Rev. 7 are hidden chapters (12,13,15,14). The holy angels do not stay in the earth area
but will return to heaven after the rapture. Jesus returns to heaven where He opens the
7th seal -time of silence in heaven. Jesus will not sit on throne of HIs glory on the earth
in Jerusalem until after the vials and Armageddon are over. For Armageddon, He returns
from heaven with His already changed////righteousness saints. The sheep and goats juding
time won't happen till it is time almost for heaven and earth to pass away, and no more
people can be born in flesh and blood bodies.


I don't agree with that and the Bible don't teach that. I see that you don't read the prophets. From the time Jesus feet hit the earth, until the coming of the Farther, Jesus have a lot of work to do, he don't have time to go back to the third heaven. You have to read and understand more, because Jesus have a lot going on once he come back.
 
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Jesus say in John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Notice He made a difference between flesh and spirit. Lets go into 1 Corinthians 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. 47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. This verse explain verses 45,46
48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

I'm starting to think that you don't quite believe in the Bible. You continue to make up things that can't be proven in the Bible. Adam alway was flesh, born flesh. Jesus was the only one first spirit, then born flesh, afterward spirit again. Thats why Jesus is called to first fruits, giving us a example to what will happen to all flesh, at the time appointed.
Paul say in 1 Corinthians 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
Au contraire, I use Scripture, rightly divided, but you have blind eyes to the doctrine of the Word of God and do not even acknowledge the Creation as God declares it to be in Genesis, to be "not a natural process", but a totally supernatural creation

So the flesh of Jesus Christ is human being, but not Adam being, but the New Man creation, the Israel being...
His flesh is fully human, with bones, blood, soul, and the New Man creation nature, which is not Adam, as to it's nature/spirit, but is "Israel".

I have shown you the Scriptures that declare that He is human, fully, with a fully flesh body with blood, and that He is still in that fully human being body of flesh, and is sitting on the throne of God in heaven, in that flesh, and is glorified, in that flesh, and is returning to reign in that flesh.

Revelation 19:11 Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war. 12 His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns. He had a name written [YHWH] that no one knew except Himself. 13 He was clothed with a robe/Garment =human being flesh dipped in blood =immersed/baptized in death, and His name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean,[f] followed Him on white horses. 15 Now out of His mouth goes a sharp[g] sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16 And He has on His robe and on His thigh a name written:

Rev 19 shows that body of Flesh/garment He -God the Word- wears at His return is the same body "baptized/immersed in death"

Genesis 1:26-28; Romans 5:14 -Adam is made in that flesh image of the Son of Man in heaven, who was to come, and is come in a New Creation human being body not made of Adam dust, but supernaturally prepared for His donning in the womb of the virgin [Isaiah 59], but it is incorruptible because it is without sin, and Moses oracled it in the solid gold Mercy Seat cover of the Ark of the Covenant..
Jesus said "the prince of this world comes, and he has nothing in me".
He laid His "Living incorruptible body of flesh" down -departed it/died for us in it- and took it back up again; But that flesh could not corrupt because there was nothing of Satan in it, as in us, who are living in bodies of death and corruption because of sin.

Rom 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
The whole point of baptism for the dead Adam flesh body is the testimony of our faith that on the cross, in Christ, we "died, and were buried, and rose again", in faith that the body of death which we submit to water baptism after we are born again in Spirit will rise in Christ, just as we are risen in Christ from the death of the Adam spirit and are made alive in His One Living Spirit, and He lives in us and we have fellowship with Him, and in Him, we are "seated in heaven", for being one Spirit by adoption, we are united with Him in that Spirit, and will be united with Him in the adoption flesh body of the New Creation.
That is the "Hope" of glory that Christians who are born again and submit the flesh body to water baptism in obedience to the LORD Jesus look forward to: the resurrection of the body of the flesh of us -and not one hair will be lost, for even our hairs are counted and written int he Book of Life....

You miss the total concept of the regeneration of the flesh that one must have to enter into the heavens as adopted sons of God, and made priests and reigning forever from the heavens, in those bodies made new, raised in newness of DNA, with the New Man name "written on them". Every cell of every adopted flesh body of every regenerated/born again in Spirit son of God of the human being kind will be raised with metamorphosed flesh, with the DNA code totally re-written.
Jesus promised that not one hair [the follicle] of our heads would be lost in the resurrection of us, for even the total numbers of our hair on our heads is counted in the Book of Life, in our DNA code, and Jesus will elementally dissolve the dust of the Adam corrupt creation of our flesh and bring us forth in total metamorphosed change of every cell of our flesh.

You do not understand the "death" of the dead Adam flesh we wear - which is "sown a sensual/Adam body" =dies when the spirit of it departs, which means the death of it; and the raising of it, which is the raising of that body which is the resurrection in regeneration of it, in the image of the New Man body of flesh is what the redemption is about, in being born again into the One Living Spirit, who is come in the One New Man flesh, to be our Everlasting Father, by the adoption of us, in the spirit of us and in the flesh body of us.
Rom 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
Rom 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

Eph 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,[/B}

Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.


But you also miss the fact that the body of flesh of the Adam creation is made in the image of God the Word, which is the One image/tslem God is "Seen" in, and that image was to come in flesh of new creation and has come; and is exactly like the Adam flesh, but without the corruption of it, and without the Adam spirit of it; but is formed/was built in the womb of the virgin, by the One Living Spirit, the Messiah/Christ.

We must be born again into the One Living Spirit, which is life from the death we are born in, in Adam, and which is the adoption [back], as sons, so as to be adopted in the flesh of us in the resurrection of our body in regeneration of the flesh body at the rapture, or in the regeneration of our body at the time of the rapture of the alive and remaining.

The Adam body we wear which was built for us to wear from when our soul came into its being at conception in the womb, is dead because of sin. It was not created sensual and dead in the beginning, but was made a living soul, a son of God of the human being flesh kind. The death and the fall of our human being flesh from the fellowship with the LORD of Glory in Eden above, where our first father -the firstborn in Adam, who was not "sown" but who was made a living soul by supernatural creation, as was the female Adam made supernaturally by the Adam spirit; from bone, and flesh building the female body by the Word of God's command when He made the male Adam sleep and took from his side the bone and flesh which had innately in every cell of it the one Adam spirit [Male and female made He them, and called their name Adam...Malachi 3:15; wherefore made He them one, having the remnant/residue of the spirit [Adam spirit]? -because He sought godly seed =sons of God- of the human being flesh kind.
 
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Jesus say in John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Notice He made a difference between flesh and spirit. Lets go into 1 Corinthians 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. 47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. This verse explain verses 45,46
48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

Adam alway was flesh, born flesh. Jesus was the only one first spirit, then born flesh, afterward spirit again. Thats why Jesus is called to first fruits, giving us a example to what will happen to all flesh, at the time appointed.
Paul say in 1 Corinthians 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
 
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The Prophet Zephaniah speaks of the Day of the Lord and a time of trouble, but says nothing of the Lord taking you to heaven to avoid it. (Zephaniah 1:14-18) “The great day of the LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the LORD: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly. That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness, a day of the trumpet and alarm against the fenced cities, and against the high towers. And I will bring distress upon men that they shall walk like blind men, because they have sinned against the LORD: and their blood shall be poured out as dust, and their flesh as the dung. Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them in the day of the LORD'S wrath; but the whole land shall be devoured by the fire of his jealousy: for he shall make even a speedy riddance of all them that dwell in the land."

(Zephaniah 2:1-3) "Gather yourselves together, yea, gather together, O nation not desired; Before the decree bring forth, before the day pass as the chaff, before the fierce anger of the LORD come upon you, before the day of the LORD'S anger come upon you. Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD'S anger."
 
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The prophet Zephaniah sees the coming time of Jacob's trouble [Jeremiah 30]

The same coming tribulation of the Lord's hour [time] of trial and judgment upon an unbelieving world .... and specifically Israel's pressuring

The time of the 70th week decreed for Israel still pending as we speak

.... and I will add that any readers take the Lord at His word regarding His pre-tribulation calling for His true ecclesia [Revelation 3:10] .... do not second guess Him on this issue
 
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Jesus was the only one first spirit, then born flesh, afterward spirit again. ....
That is totally not Bible Truth! -not even!
Christ is the Living Spirit, who put on the prepared in the womb body like a garment to wear, when He came incarnate. He is still in the same body He is come in, as our Kinsman/Redeemer.
His body is totally flesh, with bones, and blood.
His body is oracled by Moses in the Mercy Seat as solid gold, which is incorruptible.
He laid His flesh body down and took it back up again. That is Bible.
He is in it. He is glorified in it. He is coming back in it, He will always be in it.
He is the Everlasting Father of the New Man creation in it.
He will always be the Everlasting Father of the second man creation named "Israel", and the father of all the souls born in the Adam flesh who are adopted into His One Living Spirit and flesh.
We have been born again and have a Father named Jesus, our Salvation, but He is the Firstborn Son of God named "Israel". He promises to write "Israel" on my flesh of regeneration, and I will not be in Adam anymore, but the adopted "son" of the Firstborn human being son of God, in human being flesh, always.
 
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"The wise and foolish virgins are not the church, just as the sheep and goats time is
not about the churches"


The parable of Matthew 25;1-13 is about the professing church .... no doubt

Those with oil [holy spirit] are the Lord's true ecclesia who will enter the door of immortality, just before the coming tribulation begins [Revelation 3:1-10]

Those without oil are the professing only and are not saved [Revelation 3:15-20] .... these will go into the tribulation unsaved and will have to turn and repent during the same

The sheep and goats are mortal survivors of the tribulation of Israel [Matthew 24:29-31] and of the nations [Matthew 31-46]

These will be gathered after the days of the tribulation [not resurrected] and separated

Those found believing will enter and populate the Lord's millennial kingdom upon the earth .... those found in unbelief will be rejected

At the ending of this kingdom there will be wheat [all believers] and tares [the spirits of all unbelievers]

The believers [wheat] will be gathered and will enter the Lord's eternal kingdom to include the new earth and a renovated universe [Revelation 21]

All of the unbelieving spirits [tares] will be judged [gathered, bundled], and [burned] .... sent to the lake of fire [Revelation 20:11-15; 21:8] .... the second death
 
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The parable of Matthew 25;1-13 is about the professing church .... no doubt

Those with oil [holy spirit] are the Lord's true ecclesia who will enter the door of immortality, just before the coming tribulation begins [Revelation 3:1-10]

Those without oil are the professing only and are not saved [Revelation 3:15-20] .... these will go into the tribulation unsaved and will have to turn and repent during the same

The sheep and goats are mortal survivors of the tribulation of Israel [Matthew 24:29-31] and of the nations [Matthew 31-46]

These will be gathered after the days of the tribulation [not resurrected] and separated

Those found believing will enter and populate the Lord's millennial kingdom upon the earth .... those found in unbelief will be rejected

At the ending of this kingdom there will be wheat [all believers] and tares [the spirits of all unbelievers]

The believers [wheat] will be gathered and will enter the Lord's eternal kingdom to include the new earth and a renovated universe [Revelation 21]

All of the unbelieving spirits [tares] will be judged [gathered, bundled], and [burned] .... sent to the lake of fire [Revelation 20:11-15; 21:8] .... the second death
-and the Elect are gathered and separated at Mount Sinai; the Wilderness, as Enoch and Ezekiel together, show, before the sheep and goats Gentiels are gathered for judging....but the tares are gathered first, and cast into the Lake of fire as the Beast and false prophet are -and then the goats are..

I agree with a good bit that you wrote, but the tares are not gathered at the end of the millennial reign because there are no tares sown to grow as darnel wheat, because Satan was bound for the entire thousand years and the demons who are the tares, were thrown into the Lake of fire in the end of the tribulation, when the LORD comes to cleanse the earth of all evil for the Sabbath reign of it.
When Satan is let loose to test and try those born in the millennial reign -who are not tares, which is bastards, no, not one of them, but they are the seed of the Blessed of the LORD, as the Word of God declares; then they who believe his lies and who are instigated to try to ascend upon the breadth of the earth -which is Mount Eden in the third heaven, where the City of God is, then fire comes down out of heaven and they are destroyed and go straight to the Lake of Fire. There is no judgment for them nor is there a resurrection of them for they go into the Lake of Fire, body in soul, and the First resurrection which ends with the gleanings of those martyred in the Tribulation [being the third and last stage of the First Resurrection] ends the burial of the slain in the earth. For the entire millennial reign there is nothing ceremonially unclean buried in the earth. Isaiah 26:19-21.

Also, the regeneration of the heavens and earth at the end of the millennial reign which is oracled in the Law as that "Great Day" following Tabernacles, the Eighth Day and the "New Beginning", is in a flash of time, and the earth and heavens are made clean and new for the eternal days that will never end.
 
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The great tribulation will have many known events and end with other specified
events that follow it.....
In the Book of Enoch, the Church is mysteriously missing and a gap of "weeks" is inserted when the resurrected Son of Man ascends and the temple is destroyed, until after there is no more Church in the earth, and Israel is the focus again.
There is no sign for the Church for the rapture, and the only sign for the Gospel age given to the entire world is the sign of Jonah, in that the Son of Man was three days and three nights in the belly of the earth -for our Salvation.
All the signs "are" concern only Israel, after the Church is removed from the midst of the world.
Then, when the signs that belong only to the sign nation, "Israel", begin, there is the exact counting of the days until the return of the Messiah to cleanse the earth of all evil and to set up His glorious kingdom of God on earth.
Every one who is wise in those days will be counting what is Written, and will know exactly when the LORD will split the skies and return to reign.
No one in the Church age can know when the rapture will take place, for it is not revealed by any sign: in fact; Jesus taught us to be always ready, and watching, with the oil in our lamps.
It comes suddenly, without warning, and is not secret.
 
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The tares are the weeds [the unbelieving] sown along with the wheat [believers] from the beginning of human creation

And the harvest for the Lord's eternal kingdom will occur just after the Lord's coming millennial kingdom upon the earth .... the spirits of all of the unbelieving dead will be gathered and subjected to the second death of their spirits and sent to the lake of fire [Revelation 20:11-15; 21:8] .... these will not enter His everlasting eternal kingdom [new heavens and earth]

.... and all believers will enter His eternal kingdom
 
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