Jun 29-Jul 5: The apostles vs futurism

The Bible is one book and the NT must be interpreted in the light of the OT and the Lord's book of Revelation

You have it backwards

You do this because then you can meddle with the Lord'S Word

So you are not fooling anyone with your dogma of preterism

Not only that but you purposely ignore many things that the apostles do tell of the future with reliance upon the OT and Revelation

The Lord is the Author and Finisher of His Word .... not the apostles

And certainly not you [2 Peter 1:16-21]

So you are teaching a cunningly devised fable

Why?

Straightshot said:

The Bible is one book and the NT must be interpreted in the light of the OT and the Lord's book of Revelation

You have it backwards

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Someone certainly has it backwards.

One would think that Christians would let Christ and the New Testament writers interpret the Old Testament, instead of the other way around.



Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

Gal 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.


Christians are Abraham's seed and heirs to the promises made in the Old Testament. Paul makes this clear.

Dispensational Futurists ignore what Paul said in the New Testament and use the Old Testament instead, because it fits their doctrine.
They apply the Promises to the many seeds, instead of the One Seed.

And then they claim we have it backwards???

The Lord's Word is one book from Genesis to Revelation .... He is the Author and Finisher

One does not just keep the NT, and then discard the OT and Revelation and those who do end up with a fragmented and incomplete scope

.... and this practice many do because it opens up the scriptures for meddling

Anything goes .... if you know what I mean

The entire scope of the Lord's Word is interlocking and complete

Just one piece discarded and or misplaced will result in error and promote false teaching

Straightshot said:

The Bible is one book and the NT must be interpreted in the light of the OT and the Lord's book of Revelation

Not only that but you purposely ignore many things that the apostles do tell of the future with reliance upon the OT and Revelation
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You are so right! Those deniers of what is prophesied to happen, likely soon, do ignore or gloss over the many examples of Jesus and the NT writers DO reiterate and confirm the OT prophesies.

I am starting to wonder just what is the agenda of those here [and plenty more out there] who persistently push the preterist theory and promote the idea that nothing dramatic will happen until Jesus Returns.
Jeremiah 23:16-18 The Lord says: Do not listen to those who promote false hopes, they speak their own fancies, it isn't My words they speak. They say to those who haven't properly studied scripture: Prosperity will be yours, no harm will befall you. For who among them has stood in the council of the Lord, who has properly understood His Word and which of them has heeded and obeyed it?

Note that Jeremiah goes on to prophecy some harsh punishments for people like that.

Generally the preterist has religious affiliation with a particular divide of the professing "church" .... usually a denominational persuasion that has taught them the preteristic dogma along with replacement theology .... the prevailing theology is one of dominion/kingdom now thinking

When confronted with the biblical truth against this idea, the preterist struggles to defend because if they are wrong, and they are, their entire theological make up is destroyed and their own confidence is shattered

Usually the fact is that they have been deceived and have relied upon false teaching and their dependence upon the organization that has lead them astray .... and they are also told at the same time that if they leave the fold they are hell bound

And there are those of the scoffer branding driven by sinister forces beyond affiliations who set out to systematically destroy the very fabric of the Lord's Word

It is possible that the preterist can be induced by both of these influences, and the biblical instruction is to refute and not to follow

Straightshot said:

And there are those of the scoffer branding driven by sinister forces beyond affiliations who set out to systematically destroy the very fabric of the Lord's Word

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Thank goodness we have the 2 Peoples of God/ 2 Purposes/ 2 Kingdoms/ 2 or more Gospels/ 2 Second Comings/ 2 plans of Salvation(Grace and later Law Keeping)/ Soul Sleep doctrine, to put us back on the correct path.

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Isaiah 56:9-12 All you beasts of the open country and the forest, come and eat your fill. For all of Israel’s watchmen are blind, perceiving nothing, they are all as dumb dogs that cannot bark, dreaming and sleeping. They are like greedy dogs that can never be satisfied, they are shepherds unable to understand the truth, as they go their own way. They say: Come let us fetch wine, strong drink and we will swill it down. The future will be the same as today or better still!
Isaiah 29:9-10 If you confuse yourself, you will stay confused, if you blind yourself, you will stay blinded. Be drunk, but not with wine, for the Lord has poured upon you a spirit of deep stupor. He has closed the prophetic vision and sealed the means of discerning the future to you.

Jeremiah 14:11-13 The Lord said to me: Do not pray for the wellbeing of this people. Though they fast and worship Me, [but not in spirit and in truth] I shall not listen to their cry on the Day of My punishment. But Lord – their leaders and pastors say to them: you will not face the terrible sword of judgement and they preach prosperity and escape from tribulation.
Jeremiah 14:14-16 The Lord answered me: These are lies that your leaders are misleading the people with. I have not sent them, I have not given them My commission, or spoken to them. They are giving out false teachings, useless advice and their own foolish daydreams. Therefore, I say about those teachers and pastors who speak falsely in My Name, they will meet their end in My Day of wrath, I shall pour down upon them the disaster they deserve.

2 Timothy 4:3-4 The time will come when people will not stand sound teaching, but each will go after their own desires and will only listen to teachers who give pleasant and easy outcomes. People will refuse to listen to true scriptural teaching. They will only believe fables and fanciful notions.1 Tim 1:7 Ref: REB.

‘Beasts of the field’, foreigners, non Israelites. Those who have ‘encroached onto the holy Land’. Jeremiah 12:14

‘Israel’s watchmen perceive nothing’, the veil that hides the true knowledge of God’s Word is upon them, because of false beliefs. Deut. 29:4

‘If you confuse yourself, you will stay confused’, Even when the truth is presented to people who think they have it all sorted, they just cannot see it. Jeremiah 6:10

‘They preach prosperity, the prosperity theology that gives a sense of false security and escape from tribulation’, The very wrong and pretentious idea of a pre tribulation rapture, or the false theory that all the prophesies are either fulfilled or abrogated by Jesus, that lulls people into thinking they need do nothing.

‘People will refuse to listen to true scriptural teaching’, 2 Peter 2:1-3

But for those who make the effort to overcome the false teachings, the fictional books that proliferate on the book stalls and all the rubbish on the internet, there is hope: Psalms 78:1-8, Isaiah 55:1-3, Psalms 25:8-9, Psalms 27:11-12, Psalms 32:8, 2 Peter 1:19

So what?

"So if you have handled the Bible correctly"


I have, and know it

.... but you are not .... you are meddling just like all preterists do

Of course the modern State of Israel is prophetically significant. What else was Jesus referring to when He said; Look for the budding of the fig tree? When you see that, you will know that summer is near. In the same way, when you see this, you will know the end is near... Matthew 24:32-33
But He also cursed the 'fig tree', which is a direct metaphor for Judah. Matthew 21:19
Now the Jews are back in a part of the Holy Land, but they are far from how it is prophesied to be in the near future.

Jesus went on to prophesy that the Kingdom would be taken away from Judah and given to a nation that bears the proper fruit. Matthew 21:43
These are NT truths that no one can deny. Yes, the NT Apostles made it clear that we must be righteous believers in Christ in order to be a part of His Kingdom. So it follows that all true Christians are that 'nation' who bears the proper fruit. Confirmed by Revelation 7:9, where it is people from every tribe, nation and language, praising the Lord in Jerusalem.
This is no Replacement Theology, because the fact is that righteous nation of true Christians, will actually consist of a majority of descendants of Jacob, currently 'scattered among the nations'. Deuteronomy 4:27, Ezekiel 34:5-6
Soon to be gathered, Ezekiel 34:11-31 Great will be the Day!

[Isaiah 11; Jeremiah 30; 31:31-37; Ezekiel 36; Daniel 9; Joel 2; 3; Micah 5; Zechariah 12; 14; Romans 11:25-36; Revelation 7:1-8; 14:1-7]