Concept before knowledge = Process.

and hugs,

Above was written in hypothetical/parable format . Some may see this thread as a whole as if "I" follow these steps all the time. Wish I could family. However. I know this flesh operates in hypocrisy of content here in. Reading this thread as a whole may cause someone to think "I" operate like this and it is not in truth that I can say that. Knowledge is at times insurmountable by my mind . It comes to the attention this thread gets no feedback in subject matter and may be posted in wrong category such as Deeper Fellowship. I come to bounce concept of why we operate in confusion of being where "I" too suffer as we discuss various things yet it is not in the format of this thread and should be. Does this stem from "I" want to be seen as better than you? Of course it does and that is flesh for ya . Reputation is the big hypocrisy for it negates the truth of Rom: 3:10 and I am in that too. The crux , for me, is in... be like, as much as possible. Be like who and what? The who and what merge together in the mind where the merger makes sense but in written format God, Jesus and Love are seen as separates for there is the wedge of knowledge, individuality (which means translations differ) and limitedness of format and self. Lets try this... Perfecting love. Is this not perfecting concept ? As one perfects (process) we find it must come first. I lack in a major way to apply love always. However, am blessed to write here in to edify us (me too) as these posts are authored. You sisters and brothers out there do know any edification comes from God . I am in no way sinless, or of good repute, because
I am broken and in these posts is an opening up of the Spirit that "I" do not stay in and thus confessed in this missive. Somewhere, in this vast site and remembrance of exact location eludes me; I stated I am hypocrite supreme . That is truth, and it now comes to mind it may have been in one of Neo's threads . Illusion is in omittence that "I" am broken where the reader may get it in the mind that "I" live, completely, under these posts. Know that this one is far from applying all that is stated in this thread to self , but as one reads it , it does seem to bear that fruit that takes away from truth of Rom:3:10. In apologies to the readers and in hopes again, something edifies in the language of life. Need those hug emoticons back .

Family,

Look at all the emoticons . Can almost write in that format alone
. Neo my brother, thanks for the try . We two come to write it out here as you said last year . A shout out to the techs for bringen the emoticons back and new ones too .

William Shatner at the intro to Star Trek...
State of being: the final frontier... These are the voyages of the individual, Enterprise. Its life long mission to explore strange new truths, seek out eternal life in new testament, to boldly go where no man has gone before...Jesus/Love/Spirit/God <-- pick one or insert one of your own choosing

What is the process here ?

Matt 22:37-39 And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself.

It is said these writings are confusion (this thread and others). So, lets look
at truth of conscious. When we visit this site there are two modes of knowledge acquisition. First is knowledge: In knowledge we seek correctness of meaning applied to us in acquiring righteous behavior. In righteous behavior through knowledge "may" come judgment to self and others (Law Applied). This "will" cause separation to above verse in our consciousness, minds and hearts for in knowledge debate is present to the point of separation . In separation churches are created in utter belief of that particular system yet all systems are a box in containment in humanities understanding. If one does not conform to a rule (set by humanity) how do we view that individual ? Usually not in the above verse right? Which equals bad consciousness towards our fellow human that he/she does not follow "My" way of the box. Boxes very for boxes are individual minds where some minds are simple and others complex but most minds share separation to a degree in our box of judgment in righteous behavior.

Second Acquisition. Good Conscious : Truth of "Good" consciousness is summed up in above verses and this one Eph: 3-19 where Rom:12 2 does this 1 john 4:18 that once understood (Sanctification that requires self, time and mayhap repetition through the book of consciousness/truth/bible), sets Prov:3:5 as first love. Yet this world works differently than that in distraction to think in above context. Most common is hierarchy of first love. People come first for most, thus , we follow or set the parameters box for we love and/or want to impress people firstly. Which equates people are our idols and the way. 1 Cor: 11:14, And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light., That is first love hierarchy confusion in the mind heart and soul that we equate people higher than God as written in Matt 22 37-39. This is not don't love people but love them secondly to God/Jesus/Holy Spirit. Thus this scripture...
Luke 14:26 “If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple.
In the term hate is not hate as "we" see it. It is a hierarchy shift in first love. Which means nothing these people say or do effects our first love to God : Example: Dad says Im bringen gifts from santa to his granddaughter over the phone. I say you must change santa to Jesus or the gifts are not welcome. In dads eyes this is hate, in my eyes it is rejoicing in truth of conscious for "I" no longer take advise from people including dad . People see confusion in this mode of thinking in taught behavior that people come first to my consciousness that sometimes in their act of love I rebuff the lie of it (not themselves) in their sincere ignorance my dad promotes a lie. Which translates the verse of Luke 14:26 in hierarchy of first love. Advise should come through God Prov:3:5/Good conscious Matt 22:37-39/Truth
1 Cor: 13: 6.

In closing , this is weird/confusion to the world view in conformity to people first including self. This one tries to put out there self must come first to reshape the very ID that was/is shaped by the conformity of the world that can use love/light as disguise 1 Cor: 11:14 in Luke 14:26 and we believe these first to our core that looks like a granite boulder in our minds until we move over and let God teach what love is . Not peoples love and manifestations which satan uses for disguise but love unfathomable to us and what truth is and see how wrong we got it as Rom:12 3 becomes manifest inside . In the language of truth...

Whats in our wallet/hearts minds and souls?

1-John 4:8 Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love.

Word play Scripturally sound: First as written then Word play:

1 Cor: 13:4-8 Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away.

God is patient and kind; God does not envy or boast; HE, is not arrogant or rude. God does not insist on its own way; God is not irritable or resentful; God does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. God bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. God never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away. As it is written in Eph:3:19 And to know the love of Christ that surpasses knowledge, that you may be filled with all the fullness of God.. Praises to Abba !

Jesus is patient and kind; Jesus does not envy or boast; He is not arrogant or rude. He does not insist on its own way; He is not irritable or resentful; Jesus does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. Jesus bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Jesus never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away. As it is written in Eph: 3:19. And to know the love of Christ that surpasses knowledge, that you may be filled with all the fullness of God. Praise to God!!

In hopeth all things...

and ,

Uplifting ... a reminder, those who are starving in Spirit,

They say it best with these words : Hear this voice from deep inside. Its the call of your heart. Close your eyes and you will find. The way out of the dark.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=scorpions+send+me+an+angel++

Family ,
Eph: 3:19 manifested in Matt 22:37-39 hooked to Matt:19:30/20:16 where in the last verse can apply to Light, Adam , Soul (Not forgotten Matt22 above, Matt 19:30 of in self first, yet mentioned last) that brings hierarchy change of first love back too God. Yet lost to line upon line that requires context of Matt:19:30/20:16 (process in knowledge alone). One can further Adam from the beginning to the statement it is finished John 19:30 (Is it coincidence the numerical match of the verses 19:30...Hhhmmm) manifests in Light/Spirit/Living God.... speak (No lexicon to explain that but you guys hear). Furtherance of Matt 19:30 to alpha and omega... Alpha, Let there be light Gen:1:3. Good: judgment made, Gen:1:4. Our creation under light Gen:1:26... Omega . Those three, fall under these three Is/Was/Will be, of the light (Garden Enclosed). And or what was started, Alpha, will be finished, Omega. However, in the Garden enclosed/mind/soul Omega is Alpha. Let there be LIGHT...

The rest is process to get to that above .

Amen Gunny! Line upon line is our default process in info acquisition. This shuts the door (in part) to a living God to teach to a soul. Line upon line requires context in information and the Bible can be seen as a "How to, Why is " manual. Others see the Bible as a book of consciousness and trust God to teach an individual as mysteries open to them in their particular need only they and God know that align them in light.

John 5:39-40 "You diligently study the Scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life. These are the Scriptures that testify about me", yet you refuse to come to me to have life".

Family ,

What makes us stop and smell the roses ? Mayhap a break to reflect ...And reason with our God
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=never+die+creed

Svt4Him,

All one has is personal experience and these differ for we are individuals and my "how" and your how is for God to mold. With that said, if words said to above post try to steal your joy then disregard them. This is not in a debate format. Thus you will see a "For me" that leaves the door open to hear or disregard .

For me the first is "in part" of Gods love John 3:16. Another part is the baptism of the Holy Spirit.
1 John 4:19. That verse can be seen in your post and this one too. All depends on the mind to hook these two together.

Below is a nifty link where one can type each of those and press find. . Seek Gods council my friend . Reason with God... Let no man/woman steal your joy. Was it not hard won?

http://www.openbible.info/topics/

Testing Testing...1 2 3 ,

What do these verses have in common ?
Gen: 1:3 & Rev: 2:5 ?
Matt 22:37 & Rev:2:4 ?

Remember, we are churches unto ourselves Matt:16:18 Amen . There are no wrong answers in process . Are we not here sharing views in love?

and big ole whopping all around.

Yes the following is OT which I fervently bash "IF" OT is a Christians mode of operando's. Confusion of knowledge of sin that hampers NT covenant. NT first and only until a firm God given experience manifests. Now that disclaimers are done .

In a conceptual state, are these the same... Gen:3:11-12
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Our minds related to people. Who showed us we are naked ? Who tries to beat negativity to our minds & core beliefs? Who preaches a mind of judgment OT? How does above verses relate to people?

First lose the sex metaphor of wife and husband and use Adam = Mind/us/individuality/Garden enclosed... Eve = People/garden without. There is no sex descriptors in Spirit . If we choose people over God, is not the last part of verse 11 made manifest inside the individual who follows people firstly? No peace inside, correct? Someone is manipulating the mind that is not God, right?

This is in no way a do not love people post. It is a do not "trust people" post with matters of the Spirit firstly as seen in above scripture related to people (No sex gender applied). One can go to church to feed that which talks to us but trust no "one" with Spirit but God = Garden enclosed. Things like Gates of hell (Matt:16:18) start manifesting as people we let into our minds to plant a seed ... Thus the armor of God. Can one hear the above verses linked to gates of hell when broken down to lose knowledge alone where what is read is? In a contextual format of line upon line scripture reading (knowledge alone) does not seek betterment of conceptual thinking mind set (Gods Wisdom) to show one that is seeking betterment in light.

In above stated revamp of concept is there truth to it in the mind? Because we love another sooo much we trust them too (and for most firstly) and that is the big no, no, to God as the above scripture plays out, correct? However, trust not me, reason with God in revamp of first love.

Summation: Adam trusted Eve more than God and planted the seed in His mind. We trust people more than God and plant their seeds in the mind. In hopes of edification to a truth in different terminology but same truth . Move over, let God plant seeds of positivity in our minds until we believe whole heartedly He does not take them back as people will.

all around... This is inspired by another thread of the two 40's in relation to labor. One always asks take these concepts before God and weigh them for truth as we reason with God no man.

A look at perception, and us.

How does the Word unfold to perception? Those that are in the first 40 (This is in no way bad it is every single one of us in process = Truth) see it as two narratives (default mode) under labor from the mind soul and body where in knowledge of sin was in information gained by what the eyes saw and the mind processes from the literature gained outside of every ones consciousness. Here is the crux for process further includes our lives on this earth in what we allow into the mind as a firm core value set by what? Labor, people, self, acquired knowledge and pride in it is the first 40. Whole religions are the manifest of labor and pride in it for it is process stopped by choice in each and every conscious mind that in our labor this is the way. One would ask ... Have we seen Spirit in two separate people from two separate religions? I have. Have you? So one would further ask if you can locate one of Spirit ask them what is there first love, trust, means every thing to them. I promise you it aint no person . So one thing becomes fundamental for I had no joy in my own labor so I love something more than God in life weather it be Church/religion, or even a child ( know that is hard to look at family ) or sin etc... First 40 stuck, for we eat of the apple outside of our consciousness and believe on it as a set core value. John 5:39 process stopped by us in unwillingness too...

John 5:40 stepping into the second 40. Upon loosing soul where all first loves are thrown away (sin) a remolding in conscious by the Father by one who in losing first loves (repenting sin, people, idols, money, situations: like the party, self) is the journey back to realization of what Spirit one is from (Light) Luke 9:54-56. Perception of the Word changes to one flowing narrative where God opens obscurity of terminology (which is on purpose, the obscurity, to separate labor from Spirit) in conceptual format (The mind where we reason with God no person including FTS). What is the greatest gift? Gods Wisdom What is armor to consciousness (Termed armor of God)? What is unmovable faith that no man/woman will usurp our first love? Joy gained = Labor done.
The following concept is from the thread that inspired this one.... Again take it to God to measure it in truth

A picture of a man in His joy, Imagine if you will (Some twilight zone and we might as well add theme music to it ), Gomer Pile and Sergeant Carter and Pile represents Joy (Garden enclosed, Light, Mind enclosed, Us and light/Jesus whatever terminology is understood). Carter is the adversary (Garden without, Serpent, Eve, Sin, Satan whatever makes sense) trying to take Piles joy and Carter can not break through . Question.. Who is doing the labor? This is concept of truth to take it to God and search it out in truth. There is an end to labor its just in willingness to do so not in the Word alone but in a living God.

Easy concept for today... Where in the song relates to First love God. Second love in people...
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=faithfully+journey
"I give you my love over the wire"

Dedicated to those on the road sowing seeds. "Life on the road aint easy on this love affair"

Another song...

Get in the Spirit with God and apply it as such....
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=queensryche+anybody+listening

Finally !!! A 1%ter speaks Truth .

http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/08...naire-blowhard-exposes-fake-political-system/

How long until the system makes Trump look like this for talking truth lol.

to the Father & ,

The three stages of wisdom.
1. Proverbs 1:7. Here we reason with men, church and line upon line scripture and context reading... Knowledge alone.
2. Here we reason with men and God. Gal:5:22-23 is absent and serious ? arise.
3. We reason with God. We use prayer and scripture that is not line upon line to acquire good consciousness. The context of scripture does not apply to self to transform self from taught ways by Gates of hell (Matt:16:18 when applied to all people in concerns of First love, first trust, Rev:2:4). Rom:12:2 differ to the individual. Because we differ in what is needed to the individuality of self, some know love others do not, some are in a mind of judgment some are not etc. Thus we get #1,2 and 3 that "look like" debate format in this cold manner of sharing where little smiles or compassion can not be picked up by our empathic natures. An empathic ability ranges further than the dictionaries preset describer. Spirit reader is another term in the empathic realm and it is a God given gift as all children survive on it and shut it down after lies are to much to the mind. Things like "Out of the mouth of babes" is testament to a God given empathic statement where the child their selves know not what they say but FULL of wisdom it is .
For the knowledge buffs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empathy#Phenomenology
The above three is process to all. This is crux to each of us in our "Own" process. It is Growth.

In a mind enclosed one starts to see the doctrine (no matter the shape or name applied to it) as "part" of process. When we are the truth, find joy in it, and most importantly start to break limitations set by a doctrine and reason with God in the now... One talks strangely to the deaf & the result can be lets kill what is not understood. This one finds that doctrine is where most are stuck for doctrine must choose a format. That format is the "be all" to the mind not enclosed for that mind is still partaking of the fruits without. This is not to cause disparage but to open the mind to the visitors to this thread where God and self reconcile in the realm of concept. When a concept is written on this lacking platform, it is up to the reader to take what is written to God and test it. Test it for what? Love. Ask this question... Creative concept in love is what? For me, living God. Is it not written God is...love 1 John 4:8 ? This applies to concept the most, and when concept meets the world it can be labeled in killing rhetoric to the deaf correct? The following relates to the mentioned thread of thoughts coming later in this read. The tool of x141 is the medium of "a truth" that shows a beyond the bible concept (for the Word must choose a format too and thus limited) in an enclosed garden/mind picture format. It can open the ears to those that hear (for we rejoice in truth, right?) in the journey to oneness in minds enclosed that reason with a living God. Living God speaks in concept and others to open a way never before considered. This repeats, in some ways, previous posts to stop and pray over what you hear here & there for truth, and apply it to selves in the 40 one finds themselves in. All 40's are a level from a creek to the ocean that God has the individual at in the process. We being here, shows an open mind to truth no matter the outrageousness of it. That is the crux, is it not? The more outrageous a truth is, does what? Blocks the mind to consider it in truth, right?

Some things brought to God while following thread mentioned below ... Who? Showed me I was naked? Answer: People. Who is my hierarchy of love, Rev:2:4? Answer: was people, doctrine and self styled love. Today, God, in a continuous remolding to concept of agape that changes very ID. What format must the bible choose to speak to a nature under Romans 3:10 & John 8:44? Answer: Adversary & Light. If the Word must use a limited format, is the Word the end of process? Answer: At one time yes, for doctrine is created from the Word that limits a living God in rules of human pride that "was" insurmountable in my own want to impress people. Now, no, for these verses have been delved into John 5:39-40 except that verse 40 does not apply to this mind today in remembrance of Matt.16:18 at the age of 12. However, first love was to people that taught guilt in that doctrine (second love) in sincere ignorance one does not dwell there and it took decades of desolation as my first love in a broken mind that my loved ones would not tell me wrongly. Eating from without manifested in a broken mind, lol. To break that down further is...I walked with darkness as my first love for I refused Luke 14:26 in matters of God. Momentary thinking process? Answer: To share a past in righteousness of methodology where in this mind the past can be laid out in momentary thinking of said methodology where in self and God forgave that past and one does not dwell there, yet, can be a necessary tool in a limited format that a persons judgment means nothing to the vessel or light within for securely Gal:5:22-23 preside in this vessel that changed the mind from one of judgment (Fear of God) to one of forgiveness (Child of God) in Gods time to bring peace and dwell there in moment by moment thinking process. Agreence of adversary? Answer: This was first but comes last in this list brought to God for one has to personalize this in the words of man to think of a truth inside each of us concerning duality. A mind either forgives "all" or tricks itself in hate this but not that = duality personified. For all mankind, we are limited in mind set, yet refuse that limitation and literally hate sin, devil. serpent, darkness, another or self and think we are justified to grab that hate. This concept is what separates humanity that one does not place self as the "center of choice", Love or Hate? Even Satan, Darkness, Adversary for in this limited existence of choice a choice must be made to a limitation inside of each of us in said choice. This tore at the mind for months and it was effecting my peace for to grab hate is antichrist/light then x141 joined me in this thread
http://www.christianforums.com/threads/stumbling-block-in-forgivness.7835417/page-11 combined with this one. http://www.christianforums.com/threads/thoughts.7820784/ Low and behold a new terminology of "agreence with adversary, darkness. sin. devil, satan ... etc"... where all this is the same in a mind of concept and a realization we are limited in choice where most doctrine belief systems have a piece of hate attached to them, thus separation, for mankind put his translation to agape where there is no hate. For you info buffs go to Gen:1:4 and notice no judgment on darkness for in this present reality what is not said means just as much as what is said about the light...Good. We, like God, do not judge darkness, but separate it from our being
1 Cor 14:33 and it is for us to bring the darkness to the light. This realization through asking the tough questions that challenge most doctrines & peoples beliefs freed this mind and God grants peace to those that seek a mind of agape/Christ/light/love, etc... Applied to self for a season for all fall in time line to discern the fruits eaten from without that are well ingrained to a particular belief to find it was planted there not by God but a gate of hell for we tend to believe that which we love firstly ...People. Where in concept these are the same to you the reader & I the vessels of truth, reason with God and enclose His advice that whispers under the din of loudness of the world. Which is said to reinforce what x141 states many times ... Reason with God.