Women in Authority -- Church of England statement?

CelticRebel said:

I think it is Junia, too, But there is still some disagreement.

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A lot less these days, thankfully, and decreasing by the second

I want to point out again that I personally am in favor of women's ordination, based on my reading of scripture and scholars, and early Celtic practice. I was simply putting forth the positions of those on the other side. I can see their reasoning; I just don't happen to agree with it.

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No problem. I did read your comment of the same earlier. My replies are only meant to address the ideas raised.

PaladinValer said:

A lot less these days, thankfully, and decreasing by the second



No problem. I did read your comment of the same earlier. My replies are only meant to address the ideas raised.

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I appreciate your input.

PaladinValer said:

It is long-proven that it is Junia; Junias was never a name back in the day. Translations of the Holy Scriptures under Vatican Catholic auspices now offer a correct translation.

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We have been used to folks using Scriptural verses to support positions on all sides of discussions. Some go further.

When the Scripture disagrees with our deeply held biases, one often simply changes Scripture.

Junia was a women, no matter what Protestant evangelicals have taught.

Patrick Bateman said:

Hi,

Sorry for being so slow, but just an update. I finally have some more time on my hands now that I just finished an assignment that had been taking up a lot of time and I just received a letter back from Rowan Williams on the matter that has given me some food for thought, so I am going to spend some time going over that first(Oh how excited I am to actually have time to sit and read the Bible and not begrudge myself for it taking any longer than 20 minutes because I have an assignment to work on!).

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Hope this isn't impertinent, but I'm interested to hear what Lord Williams had to say and your reaction. Are you intending to report back?

Patrick Bateman said:

Good afternoon.

I still haven't gone over it properly, but it's at least reason to pause and consider, because Dr Williams is, in areas outside of Theology even, someone whose intelligence and opinion I think is worth every consideration.

I'll give you the short version;

I wrote to him with, I think naturally as the first step in this type in query in to the topic of female ordination, I Timothy which presents Paul saying "I do not permit..." Dr Williams goes on to discuss the distinction he discerned between this passage as well as others in I Corinthians(Where Paul again discusses what he does and doesn't permit) but, and he concedes that it's in another context, that Paul makes a distinction what is "from the Lord" and what is his own judgement for that situation which consequently made him(Dr Williams) cautious about taking the prohibition of women leading ministry as an absolute.

I wish I could just write out the whole letter, but as a matter of privacy, I won't.

I am really looking forward to using his points as part of a study/topical study to go over them properly within the Bible, so I'll be able to talk more at length on it then.

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I believe that using search engines should produce the arguments wanted supporting women's ordination. I know that there are several comments by Bishop Wright. I would think that the Archbishop has also spoken on the subject.

High Fidelity said:

I was wondering if anyone knew of a statement of 'justification' that the Church felt justified in appointing women to exercise authority in the church or any articles or videos where people within the Church speak on the matter.

Thanks!

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How about this for the O.P.

"
Visitation of all Monasteries, &c. exempt, shall be by Commission from the King, and not by the Archbishop or the See of Rome.
Provyded alway that the seid Archebisshopp of Canterburye or any other person or persons shall have noo power or auctoritie by reason of this acte to vysite or vexe any Monasteries Abbeys Priories Colleges Hospitallis Houses or other places religious whiche be or were exempte before the makyng of this acte, any thynge in this acte to the contrary therof not withstondyng; but that redresse vicitacion and confirmacion shalbe had by the Kynges Highnes hys heires and successours by commission under the greate seale to be directed to suche persones as shalbe appoynted requysite for the same, in such monasteries colleges Hospitals Priories Houses and Places religious exempt; So that noo visitacion [X1nor confirmacion]shall frome hensforth be had nor made in or at any suche Monasteries Colleges Hospitallis Priories Houses and Places religious exempt by the sayd Bysshop of Rome nor by any of his auctoryte nor by any out of the Kynges Domynyons; Nor that any person religious or other resiant in any the Kynges Dominyons shall fromhensforth departe out of the Kynges Domynyons to or for any visitacion congregacion or assemble for Religeon, but that all suche visytacyons congregatyons & assembles shalbe within the Kynges Domynyons. "

The Ecclesiastical Licences Act 1533 Section XIV
I'm no legal expert but this may well be the act that gives the Queen Authority over various churches including Westminster Abbey. These churches are not subject to a Bishop but to the Queen ( a woman) and you can't get much more Anglican than this.