Bible news - the little horn out of Europe

Douggg · May 24, 2015

The Greeks can't make the payments

The Greek government has informed its creditors that they can't make their loan payments.
from: http://rt.com/business/261605-greece-imf-debt-payment/

Greece will not be able to make next tranche of debt repayment to the International Monetary Fund (IMF), as the country has no money to pay, the Interior Minister said.

"The four installments for the IMF in June are 1.6 billion euros ($1.8 billion), this money will not be given and is not there to be given," Nikos Voutsis told Greek Mega TV's weekend show on Sunday.

Asked about the timing of talks on repayment, Voutsis said that they may be extended until the end of June or early July.

His statement comes as Greek Finance Minister Yanis Varoufakis said that Athens have made "enormous strides" at reaching a deal with its international creditors.

"It is now up to the institutions to do their bit. We have met them three-quarters of the way, they need to meet us one-quarter of the way," he told the BBC's Andrew Marr show on Sunday.

According to Varoufakis, it would be "catastrophic" if Greece left the euro, saying that it would be "the beginning of the end of the common currency project.”

What that boils down to is a crisis in the Eurozone (not all countries in the EU use the Euro as their currency). Which in turn means a crisis in the EU itself, it's unity. This is what I think is going to necessitate a revision in the current EU government toward federalization - and that ten leader form, which the little horn will emerge.

I would like to keep this thread focused on the European little horn view. There is another thread on Bible news geared toward the Muslim/middle east little horn view.

Brian45 · May 24, 2015

About 30 yrs ago Dougg I had a painter come to paint my house , he was Greek and spoke in broken English and after some small talk I asked him if he would ever go back there to live , he said there was no way he would live there again because muslims are taking over by getting positions in government. I don't know what Greece is like today as I haven't followed that up , but if he was right then that could add some interest for us.

Straightshot · May 24, 2015

Greece is in an economic shamble today and pulling the EU into bankruptcy

.... and the European states are not headed for any Euro-centric revival of the ancient Roman Empire .... not even close .... and certainly not lead by the Greeks

At the same time Europe is being inundated by the Muslims and their religion .... these are attached to the Muslims of the Middle East and where the Islamic caliph will rise .... a king of the northern Middle East

This one's core kingdom will not be in the EU .... Europe is not north of Israel [psalms 83; Ezekiel 38:39; Daniel 7:725; 8:9-25; 9:26-27 11:36-45; 12:7 [the other prince]; Micah 5:5-6]

Douggg · May 24, 2015

Brian45 said:
About 30 yrs ago Dougg I had a painter come to paint my house , he was Greek and spoke in broken English and after some small talk I asked him if he would ever go back there to live , he said there was no way he would live there again because muslims are taking over by getting positions in government. I don't know what Greece is like today as I haven't followed that up , but if he was right then that could add some interest for us.

They have a real problem all across Europe with the muslim influx. Greece itself is only about 10 million people, about the size of NYC. Their financial troubles started when they decided to host the Olympics a few years back, and built the facilities on borrowed money, which those facilities have no value in producing income after the Olympics were over.

The problem is that the Greeks are not alone in financial straights in Europe; there is also Portugal, Italy, Spain. And if the dominos start to fall with countries opting out of the Euro currency - there goes the EU itself the fear is. So something is going to change in the overall structure of the EU - more federalization over the member countries (states they call them, a subtle implication by the idealist of the Euro-project to create a United States of Europe there imo)

The great debt crisis is on its fourth leg of extensions - but the debt is beyond what Greece could ever hope to pay back..they keep kicking the can down the road, but I think the road has come to an end.

Douggg · May 24, 2015

Straightshot said:
Greece is in an economic shamble today and pulling the EU into bankruptcy

.... and the European states are not headed for any Euro-centric revival of the ancient Roman Empire .... not even close .... and certainly not lead by the Greeks

At the same time Europe is being inundated by the Muslims and their religion .... these are attached to the Muslims of the Middle East and where the Islamic caliph will rise .... a king of the northern Middle East

This one's core kingdom will not be in the EU .... Europe is not north of Israel [psalms 83; Ezekiel 38:39; Daniel 7:725; 8:9-25; 9:26-27 11:36-45; 12:7 [the other prince]; Micah 5:5-6]

Well, I didn't put this in your news thread because your thread is geared to the Muslim Middle East little horn view.

I would like to keep this thread geared to the European little horn view. I went back and edited my opening post accordingly.

Please start another thread if you want to hash it out - Muslim little horn view versus European little horn view.

Straightshot · May 25, 2015

I already have one

.... but charge on

vinsight4u · May 30, 2015

Douggg · May 30, 2015

vinsight4u said:
Daniel 8

the litte horn /king

goes -----towards the east, towards the south, towards the pleasant land

3 times of towards
each showing three directions
not one destination -------but three destinations

Israel ........little horn/Iraq.....east
-------takes the south---------------

The little horn is not going to rise out of Europe.

You got the order of your directions wrong, out of order. It is Southeast - one of the semi-cardinal directions.

9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

Interplanner · May 30, 2015

There is no need to study this further. It's waves of the sea. It's God's business if anything. Leave it. Leave it alone. Our business in "these last days" is the proclamation of the Gospel of God's new covenant to mankind about justification from the debt of sin, Acts 13. It was also supposed to be Israel's mission.

If you think I'm hermeneutically simplistic, don't forget that the AofD has one official NT interp, which is Mt 24:15, which is set in 1st century Judea and the zealot crisis.

Straightshot · May 30, 2015

Ignore planner

He is a 70 AD addict and he speaks in riddles .... a real magician

Do not let planner distract .... push on with your studies

Planner already knows everything and is stuck in 70 AD

Douggg · May 31, 2015

The latest news May 31, 2015 is that the Greeks are bailing out of their banks....

http://www.news.com.au/finance/econ...y-battles-crisis/story-fnu2pycd-1227376738645

Right now the EU political system, non Federalized, doesn't have the authority to put together a bailout for Greece. And in the absence of a federalized EU government, the political leaders of Germany and France aren't willing to do it on their own. Which is what I am thinking out of this will come a new EU form of government federalized. Once that Eurozone and the Euro currency looks it is going to fold - that's when things are going to get real interesting.

vinsight4u · Jun 2, 2015

Douggg · Jun 2, 2015

vinsight4u said:
I wasn't trying to quote the actual verse as to what direction is listed first. What you need to dwell on is that the word toward
is given three times in ithis verse. You can't just all of a sudden
change one of the towards to mean a destination, and the others
are a path to get to what you want it to mean.

toward -south
toward - east
toward - Israel

The little horn will go all three destinations in reference to
his own land. Daniel was reavealing to us the next part of the
prophecy. We had heard it narrowed down to four pieces.
Daniel then give clues as to what directions the little horn
waxed great in -toward.

"If...the tree fall toward the south, or toward the north..."
Eccl. 11:3

2 Chronicles 4:4
"It stood upon twelve oxen, three looking toward the north,
and three looking toward the west, and three looking
toward the south, and three looking toward the east..."

I Chronicles 12:15
"...Jordan...when it had overflowed all his banks; and put to flight all them of the valleys, both toward the east, and
toward the west."

They did not have a word for "Southeast". That's why the verse is written the way it is.

Go here and type in "southeast" search in the KJV. zero results.

https://www.biblegateway.com/versions/King-James-Version-KJV-Bible

AlasBabylon · Jun 3, 2015

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The new Greek PM is an atheist who rejected both the Greek Orthodox church and the Bible
and took a totally secular oath of office... first time that has happened since Greek independence.

" GREECE'S new prime minister, Alexis Tsipras, made history within hours of his victory by informing the Archbishop of Athens, very politely, that clerical services would not be required for his swearing-in ceremony. An avowed atheist who has nonetheless made a point of dealing courteously with senior clergy, Mr Tsipras lost no time in making known that his oath of office would be a secular procedure. It was also explained that when the whole cabinet was sworn in, a more junior cleric (but not the archbishop) would be invited to assist those who wished to take a religious oath.

It's hard to overstate what a rupture this marks with the ceremonial culture of Greece. For as long as anybody can remember, every senior office-holder, from socialists to right-wing dictators, has assumed the post with a ritual involving Bibles, crosses and often holy water, sprinkled about with a sprig of basil. The opening words of the Greek constitution recall the theological formulas of the early church which predate by the Hellenic state by more than 1,300 years: "In the name of the holy, consubstantial and indivisible Trinity......"

This intertwining of religion and state dates from the earliest years of Greek independence... "

http://www.economist.com/blogs/erasmus/2015/01/church-and-state-greece

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Douggg · Jun 6, 2015

Douggg said:
The latest news May 31, 2015 is that the Greeks are bailing out of their banks....

http://www.news.com.au/finance/econ...y-battles-crisis/story-fnu2pycd-1227376738645

Right now the EU political system, non Federalized, doesn't have the authority to put together a bailout for Greece. And in the absence of a federalized EU government, the political leaders of Germany and France aren't willing to do it on their own. Which is what I am thinking out of this will come a new EU form of government federalized. Once that Eurozone and the Euro currency looks it is going to fold - that's when things are going to get real interesting.

Well the Greeks missed their payment last week (one of four for the month of June) and the ECB decided to let it slide, and the four payments the Greeks were supposed to make the month of June are now being rolled into one payment - upping the stakes. Something is about to give.

http://news.yahoo.com/hollande-merkel-tsipras-greek-debt-talks-diplomatic-source-195922624.html

Interplanner · Jun 6, 2015

Straight,
send me a riddle. What are you talking about?

The Bible is not for prognosticating everything about the future. It is for proclaiming justification by Christ alone for the debt of our sin. That is what prepares mankind for the world day of judgement which is coming.

I'm a proud addict of the Gospel. 70 AD just happens to be historical fact about the NT. Ask Pastor Peter Holford, c1805.

Douggg · Jun 28, 2015

I don't know how many of you have been following the Greek Crisis, but a big week coming up. The Greeks don't have the money for a big repayment on a loan, due Tuesday. There has been a whipsaw of negotiations between the Greeks and their creditors. The European banking system is in peril, hard to believe, because of the nation of 11 million people. The problem is that the EU banks over there, who lent the Greeks the money, are leveraged so much, at the very limit of being insolvent, that any default by Greece could put them into insolvency.

This is a good video to watch of the problem(s). You can also go to YouTube and type in "Greek crisis". Some great videos on the subject. You need to be on board on this issue. Because of Bible prophecy implications.

Not mentioned in the video is the lack of a Federalized EU government, a mechanism to deal with the problem. Which I think out of this will come the ten leader federalized EU - which the little horn will be the leader of.

Interplanner · Jun 28, 2015

Dougg,
do you know how many people down through history have picked out events like this to prove Bible prophecy only to find their faces stuck in muck, and upside down?

It is not what NT Christianity is about.

Douggg · Jun 28, 2015

Interplanner said:
Dougg,
do you know how many people down through history have picked out events like this to prove Bible prophecy only to find their faces stuck in muck, and upside down?

It is not what NT Christianity is about.

Watch this video. Near the end of the video is what is coming. The little horn will be the head of the United States of Europe, a ten leader form of federalized government, to control fiscal policy.

Interplanner · Jun 28, 2015

AS you said in the other thread, it is not Christian. That's the point. It may happen, maybe not. The law of unintended consequences and Murphy's law will be there. But none of this means it is what apostolic mission and passion are about, which is what we belong to as Christians. We preach Christ as the risen Lord of the Universe now. There is not one place where the apostles claimed to know everything that would happen in a distant future in plain language. They did say some things about the DofJ. Nothing can be based on the Rev; there is no sound commentator in history who started from a proposition in it.

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