Would Anyone Care To Defend The Creation Model?

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Mr Strawberry

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No, just 75% of the earth is sedimentary processes - which in case you didn't know form from water.

"Form from water" isn't quite right. This smacks of a bit of googling that you haven't quite absorbed.
That's why it called sedimentary. And virtually every fossil you have has been found in that sedimentary rock, buried from flood action and washed up into large piles, buried quickly so that decomposition did not occur. Lo and behold - imagine that. So we see those processes are found everywhere in the world in reality, even if you want to deny them.

Nearly all of them "from flood action"? Really?
 
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Except that it will, as I have told you so many times.

- fitness test
- reproduce with variation
- repeat

Because of the hereditary nature of DNA, the changes of every reproduction will be carried over to the next generation and add its own changes as well.

These changes accumulate over generations.

That's evolution. That's how it works.

The facts say otherwise.

The accumulation will not produce croc from fish.
 
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The effect of floods is well known. That's actually how we can detect wheter or not a certain flood has occured.

Lo and behold, the effects that should be present as a result of such a flood, are nowhere to be found in the real world.

One of the product is the ocean.
 
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Except that it will, as I have told you so many times.

- fitness test
- reproduce with variation
- repeat

Because of the hereditary nature of DNA, the changes of every reproduction will be carried over to the next generation and add its own changes as well.

These changes accumulate over generations.

That's evolution. That's how it works.



The facts say otherwise.


You are getting boring. Please say something you do know better.
 
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You are getting boring. Please say something you do know better.

Your unwillingness to understand the basic principles of a mechanism, and instead insisting on misrepresentations of it, is on you... not on me.

Yes, I agree it's very boring to have to repeat how evolution works ad nauseum.
It's easy to make it stop though. Learn what the theory says and stop repeating your errors ad nauseum....
 
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No, just 75% of the earth is sedimentary processes - which in case you didn't know form from water. That's why it called sedimentary. And virtually every fossil you have has been found in that sedimentary rock, buried from flood action and washed up into large piles. Buried quickly so that decomposition did not occur. Lo and behold - imagine that. So we see those processes are found everywhere in the world in reality, even if you want to deny them.

So how 'bout chalk? How did one year-long flood make 100-meter-high chalk deposits?
 
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One of the product is the ocean.

There were no oceans before the flood?

Anyhow, this is a random a comment as it can get.
Why do you refuse to address the actual points being raised?
I didn't even mention oceans.

Here are the points again:
- no single global flood layer
- no genetic bottlenecks in alle extant life

Both should be there if the flood model is accurate.
Both should not be there if no such event as the biblical flood (or anything like it) ever took place.

Both are not there. Hence, the event never took place.

Please point out the flaw here, if you think there is one.
 
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Hypothetical question. Let's say you encountered something in your daily life which completely contradicted the Bible. Let's say someone invents a time machine, and you go back to watch Jesus's crucifixion, but he does not rise from the tomb. Would you still trust the bible? Or, to put it another way, is there anything that would lead you to conclude that the bible is not 100% true? And how did you come to the conclusion that the bible is God's word?
Jesus did rise from the dead. If we went back that is what we would see because we know Him today. We could not know Him now if He had not risen then.
 
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His question was if there was anything that could make you believe otherwise...
He already knows what you believe. He's asking you about your belief. More specifically, if you can imagine something that would make you stop believing it is 100% correct.
Could anything make you stop believing that you exist?
 
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Jesus did rise from the dead. If we went back that is what we would see because we know Him today. We could not know Him now if He had not risen then.

If we went back in time I fear you would be in for a bit of a let down.
 
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Could anything make you stop believing that you exist?

I don't get why you think this question is even remotely comparable to the question I asked.

I'll add that it's very telling that you try to spin it into such a question. It shows how dogmatic you are in your religious beliefs.
 
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Jesus did rise from the dead. If we went back that is what we would see because we know Him today. We could not know Him now if He had not risen then.
I suspect that if you could go back in time all you would see would be all of the other timetravellers going to the event, it would make the scenes of the Hajj look like small potatoes in comparison.
 
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Could anything make you stop believing that you exist?
No, but that's a logically self-evident statement. If you are able to ask "do I exist", then it automatically follows that you are - after all, if you didn't exist, how could you ask the question?

By contrast, the claims religion makes are not self-evident by any stretch of the imagination.
 
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I don't get why you think this question is even remotely comparable to the question I asked.

I'll add that it's very telling that you try to spin it into such a question. It shows how dogmatic you are in your religious beliefs.

I agree and it has been well established.
 
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Jesus did rise from the dead. If we went back that is what we would see because we know Him today. We could not know Him now if He had not risen then.
There's a lot of baggage packed in this post. Jesus rose to heaven, did he not? So assuming heaven exists, wouldn't we be able to "know" him whether or not he rose from the dead? How do you know you "know" Jesus? How do you determine between speaking to Jesus and speaking to yourself?
 
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No, but that's a logically self-evident statement. If you are able to ask "do I exist", then it automatically follows that you are - after all, if you didn't exist, how could you ask the question?

By contrast, the claims religion makes are not self-evident by any stretch of the imagination.

Yes, but the mind is capable of manufacturing the belief, that these religious claims are self evident. To believe them, requires this, because the faith belief to some, would be too wishy washy, if they couldn't convince themselves they are absolutely true.
 
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I don't get why you think this question is even remotely comparable to the question I asked.

I'll add that it's very telling that you try to spin it into such a question. It shows how dogmatic you are in your religious beliefs.
When you know that God exists why would you doubt it? The only comparison that you would understand is doubting your own existence or someone in your own life.
 
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