Would Anyone Care To Defend The Creation Model?

The Cadet said:

Well why don't you pick one that does have something to do with the global flood? I'd think that the logistics of taking an animal known only to live on one particular continent far away from the place the boat landed and who lives off a very specific diet is kind of important.

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The most important question about the Global Flood is the flooding process. They include the source of water, method of water emplacement, destiny of water, and the effect of the Flood. These questions basically addressed to the origin of the earth.

The Cadet said:

Hypothetical question. Let's say you encountered something in your daily life which completely contradicted the Bible. Let's say someone invents a time machine, and you go back to watch Jesus's crucifixion, but he does not rise from the tomb. Would you still trust the bible? Or, to put it another way, is there anything that would lead you to conclude that the bible is not 100% true? And how did you come to the conclusion that the bible is God's word?

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I believe in the inerrancy of Scripture.

Patrick Bateman said:

I believe in the inerrancy of Scripture.

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Coming from someone who calls himself Patrick Bateman, that sounds quite sinister.

The Cadet said:

Great. So let's hear how your model deals with this mild problem the rest of us call "conservation of energy and matter".

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I don't think you are prepared to know the details of any of these issues. You may ask question. But you won't understand my answer. Nevertheless, you may try.

The Cadet said:

Yes, I understand that. Why? And could anything change your mind?

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Why? Because we either believe in and trust the authority of the Word of God or what do we have?

I find it insulting for people to project that God, the Creator of all things, would fumble His words.

juvenissun said:

I don't think you are prepared to know the details of any of these issues. You may ask question. But you won't understand my answer. Nevertheless, you may try.

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Yawn.

juvenissun said:

No. Because those three won't give you the necessary product of evolution.

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Except that it will, as I have told you so many times.

- fitness test
- reproduce with variation
- repeat

Because of the hereditary nature of DNA, the changes of every reproduction will be carried over to the next generation and add its own changes as well.

These changes accumulate over generations.

That's evolution. That's how it works.

For example, they won't change a ??? to whale.

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The facts say otherwise.

juvenissun said:

The most important question about the Global Flood is the flooding process. They include the source of water, method of water emplacement, destiny of water, and the effect of the Flood. These questions basically addressed to the origin of the earth.

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The effect of floods is well known. That's actually how we can detect wheter or not a certain flood has occured.

Lo and behold, the effects that should be present as a result of such a flood, are nowhere to be found in the real world.

Patrick Bateman said:

I believe in the inerrancy of Scripture.

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His question was if there was anything that could make you believe otherwise...
He already knows what you believe. He's asking you about your belief. More specifically, if you can imagine something that would make you stop believing it is 100% correct.

Loudmouth said:

Humans and monkeys are still recognizable as primates. Why is that such a problem?

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And this means what? Dogs are mammals and so are cats - are you proposing they are one and the same?

Also, where did you show that the amount of genetic divergence between any two dogs is as great as between humans and any species of primate? Last I checked, dogs were within 0.1% whereas humans and chimps are over 1% different at the DNA level.

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Why would the genetic differences between dogs be greater than between humans and chimps, since dogs are all breeds of one species and humans and apes are two separate species? Stop building strawmen. Stop trying to make humans and chimps one species. A strawman argument that dismantles itself when looked at.

So if dogs all came from one ancestor and their genetic divergence is smaller than that between chimps and humans - that should tell you that chimps and humans being larger divergence are not the same.

Where did anyone claim that? We anthropomorphize natural processes all of the time without suggesting that they are conscious.

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Right, give the power of reasoning to nature because you can't explain your strawman gene theory without conscious deign. The only thing you need to do now is call your thinking, reasoning nature a god and you'll be right at home.

DogmaHunter said:

The effect of floods is well known. That's actually how we can detect wheter or not a certain flood has occured.

Lo and behold, the effects that should be present as a result of such a flood, are nowhere to be found in the real world.

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No, just 75% of the earth is sedimentary processes - which in case you didn't know form from water. That's why it called sedimentary. And virtually every fossil you have has been found in that sedimentary rock, buried from flood action and washed up into large piles. Buried quickly so that decomposition did not occur. Lo and behold - imagine that. So we see those processes are found everywhere in the world in reality, even if you want to deny them.

Justatruthseeker said:

No, just 75% of the earth is sedimentary processes - which in case you didn't know form from water. That's why it called sedimentary. And virtually every fossil you have has been found in that sedimentary rock, buried from flood action and washed up into large piles. Buried quickly so that decomposition did not occur. Lo and behold - imagine that. So we see those processes are found everywhere in the world in reality, even if you want to deny them.

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And once again, there is zero evidence of a global flood. That is the reality observed by every geology, chemistry, physics indeed every science dept in every credible university on earth.

Goonie said:

And once again, there is zero evidence of a global flood. That is the reality observed by every geology, chemistry, physics indeed every science dept in every credible university on earth.

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"On earth" being the key words here.

What is there a university on Mars we don't know about? Do tell?

Goonie said:

What is there a university on Mars we don't know about? Do tell?

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Try Neptune.

That's where I would look first for the evidence you say doesn't exist on earth.

Justatruthseeker said:

No, just 75% of the earth is sedimentary processes - which in case you didn't know form from water.
That's why it called sedimentary. And virtually every fossil you have has been found in that sedimentary rock, buried from flood action and washed up into large piles. Buried quickly so that decomposition did not occur. Lo and behold - imagine that. So we see those processes are found everywhere in the world in reality, even if you want to deny them.

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They are seen everywhere in the world yes.
Because regional floods occur everywhere in the world.

There is no single global sedimentary layer which resulted from a single global flood.
If there was a single global flood, there would be a single global layer. But there isn't, because there wasn't.

Also, if this flood killed everything except a handfull of a couple of species all concentrated on a single location, then all extant living things would exhibit the same massive genetic bottleneck. But that also doesn't exist, because such a bottleneck never occured.

Literally every testable prediction of the flood model turns out to be a massive failure.

For reasonable people, this is enough to conclude that the flood model is wrong.
The fact that no bottlenecks or a single global flood layer exist, is a direct refutation of the global flood model.