The 70 Weeks of Daniel
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In the same way that Christ told Peter he would deny Him 3 times, before the rooster crowed.
Prophecy is written before the event occurs. Pro- in this case means before.
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Jeremiah 31:35-36 does reference the "3 Days of Darkness", but the "70 Angels of Daniel 9", is a reference to all the events the Gospel records in it from Genesis to Revelation. The "3 Days of Darkness", is not the last event in the Gospel, the last event happens to be "Star Wormwood" for 5 months. In which case, Jesus is not named as the "Angel of the Bottomless Pit for 5 Months". The "Two Witnesses" are, and they are called "Abaddon and Apollyon", instead of the "Two Witnesses", because they are resurrected at that time. Jesus and the "Two Witnesses", were revealed altogether, side by side, as "Jesus, Moses, and Elias", in Luke 9:33. The Gospel did this to eliminate the possibility of Jesus being the "Two Witnesses", because the Gospel does not establish Grace in the events of Revelation.
Ezekiel describes the "Old Covenant" for 39 Chapters (1 to 39), then Ezekiel describes the "New Covenant" for 9 Chapters (40 to 48). Why does Ezekiel choose to describe the "New Covenant" with 9 Chapters?
62nd Angel through the 70th Angel of Daniel 9 = 9 Chapters of Ezekiel, which are the last 9 Angels that describe the New Covenant, at the End of Time.
According to Jeremiah 31:35-36 ... the "3 Days of Darkness" begins with the 62nd Angel, when the New Covenant begins to be Seeded for Isreal, as Jeremiah 31:35-36 says in its context, the Messiah's Judgment Appears, or stops the natural function of the universe, in order to begin the last 9 Chapters of Ezekiel or the 9 Mayan Gods of the Night.
(The Last of 1 of 9 Angels is the 150 Days, but the Gospel sees all 153 Days together as the 9 Angels, this follows the Apostle Peter pulling out 153 Fish, with the "Net", or with the "New Covenant", beginning with the "3 Days of Darkness")
(the 70 Weeks/Angels of Daniel 9, cannot be fulfilled, they do not reference a 490 Year or Day Period. They may parallel a 490 year or day period, but that is not the conclusion the Gospel is leaning towards. We've stated 490 Cosmic Years, and we are being factual according to 1Kings1:6)
Where did you read in the bible, that bible cannot reference the Universe? Please do not answer this question. Instead, maybe you can present some of those old 490 year slingshot arguments everyone likes making fun of.
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Looking at your last lines:
yes the Bible does reference the universe. It does not do code or astrological symbols.
Are you referring to Dan 9's 490 years as a slingshot? What do you mean?
yes the Bible does reference the universe. It does not do code or astrological symbols.
Are you referring to Dan 9's 490 years as a slingshot? What do you mean?
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Matthew Twentyfour
Take up your cross daily, and follow Me. Luke 9:23
It's not prophecy about the past because 580 BC comes after 605 BC.
And I've shown you these verses already you're ignoring. There's clear evidence Jeremiah was prophesying the time of Christ's second coming and not 605 BC when reading some of the things he wrote.
Jeremiah 31:36 “The descendants of Israel will never stop being a nation. That would happen only if I lost control of the sun, moon, stars, and sea.”
Jeremiah 31:40 The whole valley where dead bodies and ashes are thrown and all the terraces down to the bottom of Kidron Valley all the way to the corner of Horse Gate will be holy to the Lord. The city of Jerusalem will never again be torn down or destroyed.”
Jeremiah 31:40 The whole valley where dead bodies and ashes are thrown and all the terraces down to the bottom of Kidron Valley all the way to the corner of Horse Gate will be holy to the Lord. The city of Jerusalem will never again be torn down or destroyed.”
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The verse is correct of course.
The problem is you are ignoring what Paul said about who is Israel and where their city of New Jerusalem is located.
It will not be in this fallen, sin-cursed world.
A forever promise cannot pertain to this world, because this world is not eternal.
All eternal promises belong to the New Heavens and the New Earth, which are eternal.
Rom 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
Rom 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
Heb_11:14 For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. (country=nation)
Heb_11:15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
Heb_11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
Isa 65:18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
Isa 65:19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.
Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
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Well, the Jer 31, like most other OT passages is just making a point about some permanence, but you must have missed the 1st century when it was pretty much decimated. Whatever rebuilding occurred during the medieval period by the RCC and Crusades was also wasted during Islamic control.
As for the nation, the problem is that even though the new vineyard workers exist by faith, Christ chose to use the word 'nation' when he said it would be given to a new one, Mt21. In the overall sweep of the prophets, we know from the NT that the role of the Gospel was not seen by the prophets or their generations. That is, that the Gospel itself would start defining things, as Eph 3:5-6 says--through the Gospel.
We can't work directly from the OT without having the NT pattern of use in mind, and it is surprising how much resistance there is to this concept here at CF Esch&Prophecy
As for the nation, the problem is that even though the new vineyard workers exist by faith, Christ chose to use the word 'nation' when he said it would be given to a new one, Mt21. In the overall sweep of the prophets, we know from the NT that the role of the Gospel was not seen by the prophets or their generations. That is, that the Gospel itself would start defining things, as Eph 3:5-6 says--through the Gospel.
We can't work directly from the OT without having the NT pattern of use in mind, and it is surprising how much resistance there is to this concept here at CF Esch&Prophecy
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Except for Molech, which was a Bull God, which resembles Taurus. The constellation Earth's precession would of been facing around the time of the Exodus. ........... When David killed Goliath, it was a picture of God Falling Down, or like tearing down Molech. This is one example of a slingshot argument:
David Kills Goliath with a Slingshot, that identifies with 490
I SAMUEL 17:4 And there went out a champion out of the camp of the Philistines, named Goliath, of Gath, whose height [was] six cubits and a span.
430 years of the Hebrews in Egypt + 60 for Goliath (although we are given 6 cubits) = 490 Years, a Slingshot, like the destruction of the Dinosaurs by a Falling Meteor. The figures are thrown together, but most of the 490 associations to Daniel 9 are simply thrown together. In this sense 490 represents a completing of the Gospel in some way.
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Matthew Twentyfour
Take up your cross daily, and follow Me. Luke 9:23
You might be shocked to find this out but Paul never wrote any of these books. Neither does any of the scriptures bares any material to Jeremiah's teaching.
Paul never wrote about the heavenly Jerusalem. The new Jerusalem is in the same place where it's currently at, just in the supernatural.
Romans 9:6-8 aren't about the Israel Jeremiah described. The nation of Israel in Jeremiah represent the obedient remnant of Jacob who will come to Christ.
The descendants of Abraham is through Issac, not Ishmael. This is what Romans 9 is about.
Romans 9:6-8 (GNT) I am not saying that the promise of God has failed; for not all the people of Israel are the people of God. 7 Nor are all of Abraham's descendants the children of God. God said to Abraham, "It is through Isaac that you will have the descendants I promised you." 8 This means that the children born in the usual way are not the children of God; instead, the children born as a result of God's promise are regarded as the true descendants.
If you're still in the dark, go read about Abraham. He had two sons.
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Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
The Promises were made to the singular, One Seed, which is Jesus Christ.
The Promises were not made to the many, plural seeds of Abraham.
Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Abraham had many seeds. However, the promises come only through the One Special Seed, Jesus Christ, who was a descendant of Isaac.
Christ is the "seed of the woman" promised in Genesis 3:15.
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Matthew Twentyfour
Take up your cross daily, and follow Me. Luke 9:23
Good grief, you're in the dark here too.
Read all those verses you posted: Galatians 3:26, 27 & 29. They are all in-Christ. It tells you who those are who are in-Christ.
Do you know who are those in-Christ? It's Christians. We inherit the blessings promised to Abraham.
Do you know how many people are in-Christ? Take a guess. It ain't singular.
Galatians 3:26-29
26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Ephesians 1:3 (CEB) Bless the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! He has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing that comes from heaven.
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Maybe we are making some progress. Just maybe...
I will continue to play the part of the dunce, if it will help you in our discussion. You can continue to view me as the weaker Brother, if you like. You know, I am one of those baby-Christians who needs to feed on milk, who is not ready for meat.
If that will make our conversation progress, I will gladly play that part.
What is it that all of those Christians have in common?
Christians have in common, the word Christ, who is the ONE Seed to whom the promises were made.
We (plural) inherit the blessings through the One (singular) Seed Christ.
If you are not in-Christ, you do not inherit the promises made to Abraham.
Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
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Thanks, Gideon. It's great. It's just that the problem for people does not come down to chart-cramming etc. It is the stronghold that whether we are in Dan 9 or Isaiah or Mt 24, the passage is about our times and future. It's about wars, environmental collapses, persecution. And quite a bit of fighting about whether believers escape this or not.
This makes the opening of Acts 16 the strangest verses in the Bible. Paul completely exhausts the top of the Messiah by teaching that he came, suffered and was resurrected. What an ignoramus! He forgot the fun parts. What's the matter with that guy? He doesn't seem to know anything about the future.
This makes the opening of Acts 16 the strangest verses in the Bible. Paul completely exhausts the top of the Messiah by teaching that he came, suffered and was resurrected. What an ignoramus! He forgot the fun parts. What's the matter with that guy? He doesn't seem to know anything about the future.
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490 Ages of Jeremiah (Current and Unknown Earth Evolutionary Periods)
JEREMIAH 38:6 Then took they Jeremiah, and cast him into the dungeon of Malchiah the son of Hammelech, that [was] in the court of the prison: and they let down Jeremiah with cords. And in the dungeon [there was] no water, but mire: so Jeremiah sunk in the mire.
1. Malchiah (Mahalaleel)
2. Hammelech (Haren)
3. "Jeremiah Sunk in the More" (Sunken, from Earth)
1. GENESIS 5:17 And all the days of Mahalaleel were eight hundred ninety and five years: and he died.
2. GENESIS 11:32 And the days of Terah were two hundred and five years: and Terah died in Haran. GENESIS 11:28 And Haran died before his father Terah in the land of his nativity, in Ur of the Chaldees.
3. JOHN 21:8 And the other disciples came in a little ship; (for they were not far from land, but as it were two hundred cubits,) dragging the net with fishes.
490 of the Dungeon (Ages) + 205 of Haran/Hammelech + 200 Sunken = 895 of Mahalaleel
ACTS 16:9 And a vision appeared to Paul in the night; There stood a man of Macedonia, and prayed him, saying, Come over into Macedonia, and help us.
Paul see a man speaking from the "Deep" (Sunken, from Earth), yes, this appears to support the conclusions that 70 Weeks of Daniel 9 are Angels, but 490 (70 times 7), is a reference to Evolution.
Evolution stopped when the Homosapien Abraham, came on the scene. So if we are correct in understanding Evolution. Then, 490 Ages of Evolution occurred before Abraham, and the 70 Angels occurs from Abraham to the Completion of the Gospel, to the End of this Earth and Universe.
(There have been claims by people, claiming to have analyzed the dna of the antichrist, what has become known as the "Blond Alien DNA", which represents an evolutionary enigma. Indicating that our entrance into the New Heaven/New Universe, is the completion of the journey of the Homosapien. For many reasons, society has not chosen to relate the "Blond Alien DNA", to the Antichrist, but instead to a fictitious Alien Abduction. This is perfectly ok, since this is ultimately a matter of national security, given the promise of the inheritance is centered for those left behind in the united states).
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Start with learning about Palmoni ( In the Book of Daniel ), then learn how and why Hillel II used the Babylonian ephemeris to construct the modern Hebrew calendar, maybe learn about the Mazzaroth and it's use, since it's represented on the rim of the Molten Sea, although the topics may eventually bore you if you get into the math end of it
That's a good place to start with these topics, especially in gaining an understanding of the year-day principle and the " Prophetic Year " length, etc
Good luck !
That's a good place to start with these topics, especially in gaining an understanding of the year-day principle and the " Prophetic Year " length, etc
Good luck !
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As truthful as that maybe, lets start with something more modern as a parable ... the "Timewave Zero" based on the IChing. This was supposed to calculate the End of the Earth, based on multiples of 64.
64 (Hexagrams in Iching) x 6 (Lines of Yao in each Hexagram) = 384 Days (Lunar Year)
384 Days x 64 = 24576 Days or 67.33... Years
67 years x 64 = 4309 Years
(Three Divisions for the 70 Angels of Daniel 9, since the Earth is about 6000 years, the next IChing multiple is beyond the 6000 year mark ... so only 3 Divisions are for the 70 Angels of Daniel 9, that mark the creation of Abraham the Homosapien)
4309 years x 64 = 275776 years
275776 years x 64 = 17649664 years
17649664 years x 64 = 1129578496
(Three Divisions for the 490 Evolutionary Periods of Daniel 9, since the Earth's Evolution is chronicled to about 3.6 Billions Years Ago, the next division of the Iching 64 multiple is beyond this mark)
1129578496 x 64 = 72293023744
(As a Parable 72293023744, references the "Seven Holy Spirits", or the mystical number "Seven", we see sprayed around the book of Revelation as the work God had done before Creation)
The way the Gospel hands us the information of "Seventy times Seven" or 490, and the 70 Weeks of Daniel 9. We would need God to provide us this information to be more accurate then the parables we managed to come up with. Unless we have a working example of how creation was done, we are probably better off using the Iching, then what the Babylonian's came up with, because they are not going to do much better, or they have not done much better.
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