They Also Which Pierced Him - Revelation 1:7

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Enemies who took Jesus' blood guilt upon themselves and their descendants.

In Jesus' parable in Luke 19, His enemies did not want Him to rule over them...
so when He returns they will be duly punished [Luke 19:27.]

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We, the entire human race pierced Him.
Some seem to want to
Blame the Jews....some want to blame the Romans. This flies in the face Truth.

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Blame the Edomites.

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Grafted In said:

We, the entire human race pierced Him.
Some seem to want to
Blame the Jews....some want to blame the Romans. This flies in the face Truth.

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You are correct. He laid down on that cross voluntarily. He could have prayed to the Father and had 12 Legions of angels there to fight for Him. I am the one who drove those spikes into His body.

However, there may be a second aspect to this passage.
If John chapter 5 is taken literally, all will be resurrected at the same time, upon His return.


John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,


John 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

We see the same idea in the Book of Daniel.


Dan 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. (Book of Life?)


Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

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Time and time again... God uses villains to do His Will... Pharaoh, Assyria, Babylon, Judas...
but the villains are duly punished just the same.

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The cross was the one exception. It was not because of those guys over there or those guys in that camp or that race of humans. We are all villains because every man's (and woman's)heart is evil.
We crucified Christ....every one of us.

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In the OT, when God divorced the Northern Kingdom of Israel [the majority of the Israelites]
and sent them away to live with their pagan lovers via Assyria destroying the Northern Kingdom
and removing the majority of Israelites from the Holy Land and scattering them into foreign lands.
Those divorced Israelites became "gentiles" [ie, nations.]

God forbids remarriage to a divorced wife who has been defiled by another.

God could not remarry divorced Israel until death broke the old marriage covenant.

This is why Jesus said He was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.

Jesus [God] died for Israel... nullifying the old marriage covenant.

Now God [Christ] can remarry Israel.


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Vin,
you must measure everything by what is true in Christ, and what it means to be true in Christ. The apostles did this over and over with the OT passages they quoted. If you go the literal route and ignore how they did things, you will be as unresolved as this whole forum.

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When I said "Edomites"... I wasn't kidding.

When Babylon conquered Jerusalem, Edom [the enemy of Israel] allied with Babylon to destroy Jerusalem and the temple.
Psalm 137:7 & Apocrypha: 1 Esdras 4:45 http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/1611_1-Esdras-4-45/

According to Josephus, in the 2nd century BC, Edom lost a war against Israel and was given the option to live in the kingdom
of Israel, if Edom "converted"... which Edom did en masse. This was the first time Israel had "converted" a defeated enemy...
which proved to be a big mistake... because the Edomite "Jews" usurped the Kingdom of Israel [Herods were Edomites.]
Rome decreed Herod, King of Judea. King Herod murdered the remaining Israelite royal heirs of the Kingdom of Israel...
including trying to murder the Christ child. Herod totally destroyed the second temple [just like his Edomite forefathers
had destroyed the first temple], replaced and added it it [just like the traditions of the elders had destroyed, replaced
and added to God's Law.]

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vinsight4u said:

I don't see how this applies to 70 AD. The righteousness of Jerusalem won't go forth
till the 70th week of Daniel ends.

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Daniel 9: Dr. Kelly Varner

Vin,
my remark about this forum, if you can't make it out, is that you are not gaining knowledge, it all falls apart. Only Rom 2A on the judgement day of God really matters. Which forces the Gospel of justification from sins to the top, so that it matters the most.

I'm not talking about how much knowledge a person has but how necessary it is. I don't think God cares for our knowledge at all, just for necessities.

BABerean2 said:

You are correct. He laid down on that cross voluntarily. He could have prayed to the Father and had 12 Legions of angels there to fight for Him. I am the one who drove those spikes into His body.

However, there may be a second aspect to this passage.
If John chapter 5 is taken literally, all will be resurrected at the same time, upon His return.


John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,


John 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

We see the same idea in the Book of Daniel.


Dan 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. (Book of Life?)


Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

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Yes it is written all men are destined to die once and then to come before the risen Lord for judgment. In that respect all the human race who would eventually individually die are beholding the Lord coming with the clouds because their day and hour has come and their turn for the judgment of the works down in the body is now happening.

So from the chief priest who condemned Jesus who was told by Jesus that from now on you will see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. This happened to the chief priest and to every human being who has thus far departed to face their judgement before the judgement seat of Christ who sits on the right hand of power as the almighty judge.

REVELATION 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they [also] which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
REVELATION 11:8 And their dead bodies [shall lie] in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Christ is seen as crucified on two accounts, in "Sodom and Egypt", and Christ is Crucified, "inside them which pierced him".

Crucifixion of Sodom and Egypt

100 Years of Abraham in Sodom (175 of Abraham - 75 years outside of Sodom)
Gen. 12:1, 12:4 and 25:7
20 Years After Abraham Died to Jacob’s Birth (60 years - 40 years = 20 years)
GENESIS 25:5 And Abraham gave all that he had unto Isaac.
GENESIS 25:20 And Isaac was forty years old when he took Rebekah to wife, the daughter of Bethuel the Syrian of Padanaram, the sister to Laban the Syrian.
GENESIS 25:26 And after that came his brother out, and his hand took hold on Esau's heel; and his name was called Jacob: and Isaac [was] threescore years old when she bare them.
130 + 400 Years (When Jacob entered Egypt at 130 years old the 400 years started counting)
Gen. 47:28 and 15:13

100+20+130+400=650 years. Abraham gave Issac Rebekah to Wife shortly before he died, most likely in the same year. If this is true then when Issac took Rebekah to Wife at 40 years old, then this is the same year his father died.

The "Two Witnesses" that Pierced Christ

NUMBERS 3:49 And Moses took the redemption money of them that were over and above them that were redeemed by the Levites:
NUMBERS 3:50 Of the firstborn of the children of Israel took he the money; a thousand three hundred and threescore and five [shekels], after the shekel of the sanctuary:

1365 Years of Shekels + 650 years of "Sodom and Egypt" = 2015 A.D. This is the Year, Moses is appointed to lead Judah and complete the Crucifixion of Christ he has began with his testimony for 30 or so years according to Luke 3:23, or close to the 12000 Days of Joseph stated in Revelations. (we have a nightly walk after dark on 6/16/2015 to increase the result of what happens).

The gospel is providing us with a prediction about the return of Christ, when the "Two Witnesses" are killed, "Moses and Elijah". Then Jesus returns to take all the souls that are benefactors out of the earth, during the 3 Days of Darkness. We will not see Jesus, but this is what happens.

There is No Moses and Elijah coming physically. Moses died and was taken out of the vineyard of God and so was Elijah whose body was translated, meaning his earthly body died.

When a person is taken out of God's vineyard they cannot come back. Jesus was the exception and he even said that once he ascended up into heaven he would not come back, instead he would send the Holy Ghost in his place and the Holy Ghost stays with the believer even onto death.(Romans 8:11)

Coming with the clouds are not a natural cloud. The white cloud is the symbol of the angelic host of heaven. And heaven is not the natural sky but that of the angelic realm.

Everything that alludes to coming with the cloud is when a person dies to behold the Lord's appearing. Basically death brings you to your maker for judgement.