I don't see what's not to understand. If God wanted a person to be female, He would make them female.
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I don't see what's not to understand. If God wanted a person to be female, He would make them female.
StephanieSomer
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Please google CAIS, and CAH. Patients with these conditions have genitals opposite their DNA. And, their gender identification is usually in agreement with their genitals. Which means their gender identity is opposite their DNA. The position you are expounding is false.
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God made no mistake, and there is no pride involved in my transition. Nor is there any sin in being transsexual. You think so because it "seems" to be so, according to your own personal preferences. But, Scripture disagrees with you. It also warns heavily on what "seems" to be so.
I don't expect you to consider that possibility. It's pretty clear that you've made up your mind. I doubt anything will demonstrate your error to you, since you don't want to see that.
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But God did make them female/male, it's just the processes involved in their creation resulted in a body that did not match that.
Which is where I start to struggle with understanding the rationalisation behind the view that someone who knows what they are, inside, is wrong for feeling that way and seeking a way to come to terms with their body, be it through modification or redefinition (or anything else!).
We talk of the intentions of our Lord, as if we are privy to His thoughts. We suppose He intended someone to be one or the other, based on their physical, while we completely ignore every other element. Does this not come across a little bit like using gut reactions to dictate how we interpret His word?
Which is where I start to struggle with understanding the rationalisation behind the view that someone who knows what they are, inside, is wrong for feeling that way and seeking a way to come to terms with their body, be it through modification or redefinition (or anything else!).
We talk of the intentions of our Lord, as if we are privy to His thoughts. We suppose He intended someone to be one or the other, based on their physical, while we completely ignore every other element. Does this not come across a little bit like using gut reactions to dictate how we interpret His word?
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Dear, I am totally in the Religious world. I am directed by God to do this thing and that thing almost continuously for the last ten years almost. Much of my time is spent with the so-called Religious. They actually are religious but are egregiously wrong about God and what the Bible actually says.
You are seeing just those who God is also fighting and educating. Do you not know yet, that when you do what you are doing, that because it is good, becuse your actions are good, that you are in fact working for God, but you do not know this?
In your working for God, unknowingly you are bringing them closer to God. You see this in them as understanding you.
LOVE,
...Mary., .... .
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StephanieSomer
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It is defining by the flesh, and not the spirit. We are commanded to walk in the spirit, not the flesh. If we ARE walking in the spirit, how can we then define things via the flesh? The two are mutually exclusive. The reality is that we are NOT a body. We HAVE a body. What we are is not visible. In fact, it is unknown to anyone but ourself and God, and anyone to whom we choose to reveal ourself.
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So those with a cleft lip and cleft palate should be left alone, with that big gaping hole in the middle of the face?
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That's not even the same. One is a physical deformity (cleft lip and cleft palate) which you don't see people going around saying it's normal and the other (trans, lgbt, etc) is a mental illness that instead of trying to help people try to celebrate as normal. It is not normal when a man wants to be a women or vice versa and they should be helped but instead society chooses to treat it as a normal thing and not get them the mental help they really need.
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There can be mental illnesses associated with being transgender, owing to the conflict between an internal sense of who you are and the external (and a few other things...), but being transgender, as a standalone, is not a mental illness.
The help people get varies depending on their needs, and sometimes the help someone needs is the ability to start transitioning. Some people do not need to transition. Some people require help for depression and anxiety linked to their internal conflict/the reactions of others. Some people receive no help at all because society can be rather awful at acknowledging the legitimate need to discern what help someone needs, rather than making people feel so much shame and distress for who they are that they dare not bring it up.
The help people get varies depending on their needs, and sometimes the help someone needs is the ability to start transitioning. Some people do not need to transition. Some people require help for depression and anxiety linked to their internal conflict/the reactions of others. Some people receive no help at all because society can be rather awful at acknowledging the legitimate need to discern what help someone needs, rather than making people feel so much shame and distress for who they are that they dare not bring it up.
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That's exactly what society wants you to think. There is no world where it's normal wanting to be the opposite gender, it is very much a mental illness and one that because of God hating society is going unchecked and celebrated. The worst part is that the smoke of Satan has infiltrated the Church at large so much that even Christians celebrate things against nature and mental illness.
It will not be long before pedophilia, murders, and matter of things become alright because after all that's just how they are and we can't tell them to stop we must embrace them as they are. Christians are to be loving but it's not loving to let people continue in their disease if they can be helped and just say oh well that's just how they are. The loving comes in getting them the mental help they need and not celebrating their disorder
It will not be long before pedophilia, murders, and matter of things become alright because after all that's just how they are and we can't tell them to stop we must embrace them as they are. Christians are to be loving but it's not loving to let people continue in their disease if they can be helped and just say oh well that's just how they are. The loving comes in getting them the mental help they need and not celebrating their disorder
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And again I'll say that there is help out there, just because the help does not always aim for the outcomes you think are right does not invalidate that help.
I'm not going to touch on paedophilia and murder, because this discussion is not about them.
How much do you know about the processes involved in transitioning? You seem to be focusing on people not receiving the psychiatric help "they need", what do you think goes on? I am not so sure this God hating society is as embracing as you think it is...
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All I need to know is that they are doing something unnatural and that is against what God did. God created male and female, period no in-between no women in a man's body or vice versa. Now people may have that mental abnormality because of the fall but that in no wise means that we should give into them. When society participates in allowing a man to rip his parts off or a woman than that is not help. Help would be to help them understand that desire is abnormal but they can have normal thinking through help. Help is not enabling, allow bruce to pretend to be a woman is enabling
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