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Cute Tink said:

If trans people aren't saying that "God made a mistake", then why are you?

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Because I am a Christian who upholds God's morals and they don't

topcare said:

Of course you don't see the people caught up in that sin say that, it's because Satan and society have than brainwashed to think a mental illness is fine and dandy.

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So, it's a sin to have a mental illness now?

topcare said:

. As I told you multiple times I do not care what the people who are "experts" have to say at all.

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Translation: "Don't bother me with facts, my mind is made up!"

topcare said:

Because I am a Christian who upholds God's morals and they don't

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Where has God mentioned anything about the morality or otherwise of transgenderism?

topcare said:

As much as you want to justify what he and you did, it is wrong. Sin is sin and that is what trans do when they give into their illness. God will forgive if repentance is sought. As I told you multiple times I do not care what the people who are "experts" have to say at all.

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Hi,
Read that again please. I am justifying nothing. I have nothing to justify. I followed God. Do you not understand, that it is God in this case that has justified me? God. God justified me. God, God did that. God.
How did you miss that?
How about this: If God is for me, who can be against me?
God dealt with me as female. Did you miss that?
It was tested. God chimed in. The Holy Spirit said Yes. If God took the time to allow this to be tested, and then made sure the test came out perfectly, then how can you say, that was not God? The results confirmed God talking to me as a female.
The pronouncement of the Inquisitor checking for heresy or God said this:
"I do this for a living. This is The Holy Spirit" And you want to say, He, God, The Holy Spirit was wrong?
Are you one who fears not even God? Or are you not aware, that is rare cases it is okay to ask God to confirm things, of importance?
What could be more important than someone saying, they are married to God the Father, mystically? Sounds pretty crazy to me. Sounds pretty wrong to me. Sounds like someone crazy would say. Sounds like something a demonized person might say. So, it is important to find out. They did. It is all true.
What are your experiences that allow you to say, you are a greater authority than God Himself. Only one person I know of has ever said God was wrong and he was right, authoritatively. Am I Eve? Are you the one who talked to her? Are you now wanting to tell me that God is wrong in what He told me and you are right?
That didn't work out so well for mankind and the world, did it? Now, how do you think it will work out, if I don't check in with God on your words?

Testing of spirits is stated. Test all things is stated. Gideon tested, with a fleece. Testing is mentioned in James and what to do with the results, which is believe them.
And you want me to throw that all out, for you.
Do you think this wasn't important. Is that your reason? Then why did God answer the test, perfectly. It was precisely correct in content. It was precisely correct in timing. It agreed totally with Deuteronomy 18:20.
Fine, God does say, when a person says something is wrong still that God told the person, that it is right to do, then the problem now is between the accuser and God.
The accuser is now accusing God of being wrong, not the person who is upsetting the accuser.
Your argument, is now with God, and not me. Say all you want to and about me, but your argument is now with God. Ask yourself this. How did Job do, when he asked for an audience with God? Was Job found to be right? Was he?
You are not right either.
LOVE,
...Mary., .... .

Merlin said:

As I pointed out this is not correctable.
The cosmetic surgery does not change who she is.

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It does though. It makes him who he was meant to be.

MiniEmu said:

And again I will say nowhere in the Bible does God (or anyone else) directly reference His position on individuals with mismatched souls and bodies. There are references to other things, which I shan't touch given the forum rules, but nowhere does God state that someone who is female/male in soul but male/female in body is committing a sin by transforming themselves.

I really do desire to learn, so if someone can provide the verses which leads them to believe those who are transgender should not seek to marry their souls and bodies then please educate me. I have looked, and I have attempted to understand the reasoning of those who say such things, but I am struggling terribly.

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Their reasoning is based on not understanding God's love for us.

topcare said:

Of course you don't see the people caught up in that sin say that, it's because Satan and society have than brainwashed to think a mental illness is fine and dandy.

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What sin?

topcare said:

Because I am a Christian who upholds God's morals and they don't

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Your hubris at determining that others aren't upholding God's morals is astounding. Where are you getting this information from?

topcare said:

Because I am a Christian who upholds God's morals and they don't

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This doesn't answer the question at all.

topcare said:

As much as you want to justify what he and you did, it is wrong. Sin is sin and that is what trans do when they give into their illness.

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Because you say so?

As I told you multiple times I do not care what the people who are "experts" have to say at all.

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You must be some expert. Aren't you the one who claimed that trans people are committing the sin of "pride" on page 2?

Why, yes you did.

Cute Tink said:

Most of the people I see vehemently against trans people making the transition don't understand what it is anyway, so the "truth" they may provide you is a "truth" based in ignorance.

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I have not said that I am against trans in any way.
I have said the bible is against it.

Merlin said:

I have not said that I am against trans in any way.
I have said the bible is against it.

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Ah, but where does it say anything about transsexuals?

Merlin said:

I have not said that I am against trans in any way.

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I'm glad to hear that.

I have said the bible is against it.

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I have only seen people quote the Deuteronomy section on "cross dressing", which is hardly about transition and I doubt all of Deuteronomy is followed anymore anyway. Is there anything else to say the Bible is against it?

Hi,
It seems this transgender Christian doctor has a complete listing of scriptures, as it looks like in her work she has had to educate the Christian transgender, as to why it is okay to be transgendered with God.
http://www.drbecky.com/lynnmont.html
LOVE,
...Mary., .... .

Merlin said:

I have not said that I am against trans in any way.
I have said the bible is against it.

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But, it isn't. I thought so too, for a long time. When I searched diligently to justify that position, I found that it isn't justifiable Scripturally. It can only be done IF you take verses out of context.

Merlin said:

So are you saying that God made a mistake that you should correct him?

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Do you want me to list all the birth deformities that are normally medically and surgically modified? Or do you think only CERTAIN birth deformities are ok to meddle with, while the others are simply sinful? Did God create all those babies intending them to remain that way? Really? You think that?

Merlin said:

a man is a man and a woman is a woman .
although some will have cosmetic surgery ,if you check the DNA they are still of the same sex.nothing has really changed , they are just the same .
it is just an elaborate playing of dress up
the bible teaches that cross dressing is a sin.

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Nothing in this post addresses anything having to do with transsexuality.

Patrick Bateman said:

Well, sickness came with the fall, so I don't quite know where I stand.

I'd lean more towards it being wrong, though.

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The correct method of reaching an opinion, from God's perspective, is to study the Scripture and allow it to form your opinion. Unfortunately, the most common mistake that Christians make is to form an opinion and then try to justify it with Scripture.

I recognize you are somewhat ambivalent on the issue. I can only surmise that it is because you have no ready Scripture to support your conclusion. and the conclusion seems to be in accord with your understanding. May I suggest that you actually study what the Scripture DOES say about it? It isn't really silent on the issue, as so many think. Nor does it condemn it, as so many others insist.