Poll: Most Democrats Believe Illegal's Should Have Right to Vote

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There's no "instead" here. If they work legally, they are automatically paying taxes, no matter where they send the money they receive. They also pay property and sales taxes just like everyone else, despite not having access to many of the benefits that these taxes provide.

While they do pay Social Security they pay little in income taxes. They are also net users of tax-funded social services, not net contributors.
 
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How many are involved in crimes that we put in prison and take care of all their needs.
Immigrants in the US are actually less likely to commit crimes than native-born citizens, partly because they have everything to lose. In the case of undocumented immigrants, the last thing they want to do is attract the attention of the authorities. Furthermore, Mexicans have one of the lowest rates of incarceration among foreign-born Hispanic males in the United States.
 
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We wish - countless families are on all the benefits.
Yes, there are plenty of Americans receiving benefits, and the number is not countless. There are plenty of other countries receiving American benefits too....

America....home of the generous.
 
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Immigrants in the US are actually less likely to commit crimes than native-born citizens, partly because they have everything to lose. In the case of undocumented immigrants, the last thing they want to do is attract the attention of the authorities. Furthermore, Mexicans have one of the lowest rates of incarceration among foreign-born Hispanic males in the United States.
Not in Texas - they don't even fear going to jail because they know they will not be deported.
 
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While they do pay Social Security they pay little in income taxes. They are also net users of tax-funded social services, not net contributors.

The money they send out of the country represents one of the biggest 'trade deficits' we have when compared to trade with other countries. This on top of the existing business trade deficit with Mexico. This is that "giant sucking sound" predicted by Ross Perot.
 
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Not in Texas - they don't even fear going to jail because they know they will not be deported.
Are you going to provide any evidence, or are you just going to keep using personal anecdotes and factually incorrect statements? I don't want to keep bothering with linking you to real studies and statistics if you aren't interested in the facts.
 
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Are you going to provide any evidence, or are you just going to keep using personal anecdotes and factually incorrect statements? I don't want to keep bothering with linking you to real studies and statistics if you aren't interested in the facts.
This covers it all: http://amac.us/illegal-immigration-cost/

I am not trying to spout against the people - I am against the system that allows. I live in Texas - I see it every day. I help every time I see a need - I am not against helping. We helped a Mexican family of 5 whose husband was in a mental institution for 5 years - she at that time told us she was able to get a job and said we could help someone else now because she was ok. People have to survive - I in no way am against helping the people - but I am against giving all the benefits to illegals and letting our military go without.
 
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I am not trying to spout against the people - I am against the system that allows. I live in Texas - I see it every day. I help every time I see a need - I am not against helping. We helped a Mexican family of 5 whose husband was in a mental institution for 5 years - she at that time told us she was able to get a job and said we could help someone else now because she was ok. People have to survive - I in no way am against helping the people - but I am against giving all the benefits to illegals and letting our military go without.
Ah, that makes more sense. Thank you for helping when you can.
 
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We have taken in one-third of the population of Mexico - how many are on food stamps, welfare, how many work but send their money back to Mexico instead of paying taxes here where they are being taken care of. How many are involved in crimes that we put in prison and take care of all their needs. How many are served in our hospitals without paying the bills. How many are driving without license and have no insurance. How long can a country exist under these circumstances.

On the other hand - how many do you see in the volunteer lines to help out. I have volunteered at the hospital for 6 years - have never seen a Mexican on the volunteer list.

Now do you see why the Republicans are so against making illegals citizens just so Obama can have his FOREVER Democratic party. This country is going down fast.
We haven't even taken in a tenth of the population of mexico and not all of them are from mexico. They aren't on food stamps or welfare, as you have to provide proof of citizenship.

Some of them send money back home (not always mexico, again), but they provided labor for that money, at a very advantageous rate for their employers and consumers (you and me).

Criminals of any kind are of course of grave concern, and they need to be dealt with harshly.
 
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Mexicans it is.
You would be surprised at the people who get jobs in the grocery stores or other kinds of stores - take a food checker - a Mexican is the checker
Oddly, most of the ones I've met aren't mexican at all. Lot of peruvians and Hondurans.
The majority of undocumented immigrants entered the country legally with a visa. They're either working here or came here to go to school - and Vylo is right - they aren't Mexicans.

Let's drop the politically correct charade - you lot don't care about illegal immigration, you just don't want those dirty lazy Mexicans in the same country as you. You're silent when it comes to illegal immigration from India or China. Your best proposal to stop illegal immigration is to build a fence to keep the Mexicans out.
Don't you mean "since when is 53% not 'most'?"
Since it was significantly closer to half.

80% is most.

For example, most Americans don't trust Republicans to run the nation.
We have taken in one-third of the population of Mexico
No.
https://www.khanacademy.org/math/pr...o-pre-alg/v/describing-the-meaning-of-percent
 
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This covers it all: http://amac.us/illegal-immigration-cost/

I am not trying to spout against the people - I am against the system that allows. I live in Texas - I see it every day. I help every time I see a need - I am not against helping. We helped a Mexican family of 5 whose husband was in a mental institution for 5 years - she at that time told us she was able to get a job and said we could help someone else now because she was ok. People have to survive - I in no way am against helping the people - but I am against giving all the benefits to illegals and letting our military go without.
Which benefits is the military going without that you want them to have?
 
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We have a system in the UK for everyone who earns a wage called P.A.Y.E. or Pay As You Earn. (not for the self employed)
All monies due to the government (depending on your personal tax code, also National Insurance for the NHS) are taken out before we get paid, if we have illegal people working here they are made to pay a crazy rate of tax because they will not have a tax code.
 
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but I am against giving all the benefits to illegals and letting our military go without.
You may be interested to know that the American military machine is as big as the next ten nations combined,
it could be cut in half and still be bigger than the next three combined.
The US has more tanks than a lot of countries have soldiers.
 
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You may be interested to know that the American military machine is as big as the next ten nations combined,
it could be cut in half and still be bigger than the next three combined.
The US has more tanks than a lot of countries have soldiers.
But... but... teh Communisms! Oh, wait, who's the boogeyman today? I mean, but... but... teh Terrorisms!
 
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Quick question. I know I've heard some phrase about taxation and representation somewhere, but I just can't place it. Anyone wanna help me out?
It's something like 'No vote without Republicisation', it's something to do with only Republicans being allowed to vote, if anyone else votes it means they hate America.
The people who don't hate black people, gun haters, Muslims and people who ware sandals are not real Americans.
 
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"In 2010, the average unlawful immigrant household received around $24,721 in government benefits and services while paying some $10,334 in taxes. This generated an average annual fiscal deficit (benefits received minus taxes paid) of around $14,387 per household. This cost had to be borne by U.S. taxpayers. Amnesty would provide unlawful households with access to over 80 means-tested welfare programs, Obamacare, Social Security, and Medicare. The fiscal deficit for each household would soar."
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2013/05/the-fiscal-cost-of-unlawful-immigrants-and-amnesty-to-the-us-taxpayer
 
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More proof polls are only interesting to people who don't understand polls. :wave:
tulc(less then a 1000 people asked to represent 319,000,000?) :sorry:
Not a horrible sample size. That's a margin of error of 3.77%. Usually a sample size of 1000 is considered adequate in most situations. This sample size was close to 1000.
 
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