Poll: Most Democrats Believe Illegal's Should Have Right to Vote

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That's a big "if". Illegals send $50Billion/year back home to support the Republic of Mexico.
On that particular point, though, if someone is in fact paying US taxes, then what he with the rest of his money is irrelevant to his voting status. Other factors are relevant, but what he does with the money the government allows him to keep is not.
 
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Another misleading title

tax-paying illegal immigrants
No, taxation without representation was the slogan of the revolutionary war. The USA has slid back a long way from the values of the founding fathers. Now folk want heavy taxation on those refused representation because they are working in the USA without a valid work visa.
 
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I understand the franchise for voting in the USA is American citizenship. Illegal aliens are two or three steps down; if there a debate to be had, it would have to start with permanent residents (green card holders). The answer is to get naturalised.

We are having a franchise debate here in the UK about the proposed Euro in-out referendum. The franchise is British and Commonwealth citizens. Smaller political parties want to extend the franchise to 16 year olds and EC nationals, because they think this will further their interests.
 
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That's a big "if". Illegals send $50Billion/year back home to support the Republic of Mexico.
A preacher friend is a Missionary to Mexico, and a few years back, he sent a note stating how money sent back to Mexico, from Mexicans here to their families there, had just surpassed OIL as the largest contributor to the Mexican economy.

Also, many years ago, I was told how to get a larger check when working day labor. Put down as many dependents as you like, and nothing is taken out in withholding. I tried to claim the $100 on my Tax Return, but they took that off my form when processing it. (That was 40 years ago.) The point is that just about everyone knows how to NOT pay these things.

The Mexican Inflow is just a part of the problem, as was stated. We have their pres. saying it should be allowed (they think they own a significant part of US, anyway,) and the recent admin's have seemed to make this a less critical part of their enforcement efforts. There are terrible troubles on our border that include incursions by Mexican Military Units, and Kidnapping has become a big problem for people anywhere near the border.
 
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On that particular point, though, if someone is in fact paying US taxes, then what he with the rest of his money is irrelevant to his voting status. Other factors are relevant, but what he does with the money the government allows him to keep is not.
You define "Illegals" as Mexicans.

Why don't you just call them Mexicans?

Mexicans it is.
 
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Since when is 53% "most?"
If Republican evangelicals were really serious about the Christian issues they trumpet most loudly--abortion and homosexuality--they would be doing all they could to open a path to voting citizenship for Mexicans.
Agreed. I'm a Democrat and I am not in favor of undocumented residents being able to vote, but I am completely in favor of creating a viable path to citizenship for them.
 
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I actually see a light at the end of the tunnel. With enough illegals we can compete with third world countries for the manufacturing business. Of course then Obama, as well as succeeding presidents, will tell them to go to college instead of wasting their lives doing middle class skilled labor. Sooo......never mind. :sorry:
 
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Don't you mean "since when is 53% not 'most'?"
That's barely more than half. That doesn't fit any definition of "most" that I've ever heard. A more accurate description would be "a majority." I don't mean to nitpick, but word choice is important.
 
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That's barely more than half. That doesn't fit any definition of "most" that I've ever heard.

That is curious indeed.

What if the 53% is a large plurality?
 
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What if the 53% is a large plurality?
Then it's both a majority and a plurality. There were only two options for this question, though, so it's just a majority.
 
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We have taken in one-third of the population of Mexico - how many are on food stamps, welfare, how many work but send their money back to Mexico instead of paying taxes here where they are being taken care of. How many are involved in crimes that we put in prison and take care of all their needs. How many are served in our hospitals without paying the bills. How many are driving without license and have no insurance. How long can a country exist under these circumstances.

On the other hand - how many do you see in the volunteer lines to help out. I have volunteered at the hospital for 6 years - have never seen a Mexican on the volunteer list.

Now do you see why the Republicans are so against making illegals citizens just so Obama can have his FOREVER Democratic party. This country is going down fast.
 
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Then it's both a majority and a plurality. There were only two options for this question, though, so it's just a majority.

Most, in this case, simply means the greatest number.
 
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We wish - countless families are on all the benefits. There is so much going on that harms our society that we cannot even hit the tip of the problem.

You would be surprised at the people who get jobs in the grocery stores or other kinds of stores - take a food checker - a Mexican is the checker - here comes a friend or family member with cart loaded - the checker slides the item outside of the bar code and every now and then they let one hit the bar code and they walk away with all the free food.

My husband was behind the lady in line when the checker did this. When he got home, he told me about it and I called the store and spoke with the manager - gave him the receipt number , etc - hes says it happens all the time.

I am not against Mexicans - I have lots of friends who are Mexicans and I hear them talk. I am not even blaming them - they have to survive - but I am just against the system that lets them get away with it because of the hard working tax payers having to pay for it.
 
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how many work but send their money back to Mexico instead of paying taxes here where they are being taken care of.
There's no "instead" here. If they work legally, they are automatically paying taxes, no matter where they send the money they receive. They also pay property and sales taxes just like everyone else, despite not having access to many of the benefits that these taxes provide. Many have ITINs.
 
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