Why are the vast majority of black American voters Democrats?

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Have black Americans voters always been majority Democrat, or were they once majority Republican?

Why should we care? You tell us why you think blacks prefer the democrats to the republicans. Don't be shy about telling us what you feel. People have discussed the Civil rights act here forever, and people have explained ad nauseam how the civil rights act caused many southern democrats to turn republican.

Why do most minorities gravitate towards the democrats? The Democratic party today is not the same party of 50 years ago, so comparing them is futile.
 
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Have black Americans voters always been majority Democrat, or were they once majority Republican?

They often weren't even guaranteed the right to vote prior to the mid 60's.
 
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People will cite the southern strategy and reference a party switch in efforts to explain this...and then thumb their nose at anyone who dares to bring up Robert Byrd...

However, the reality is that there were a handful of the racist dixiecrats who jumped over to the republican side, and there were also a handful of dixiecrats who stayed with the democrats and continued to hold office on the (D) ticket clear through the 70's and 80's...so both sides tend to misrepresent the situation in that regard.

I will admit, it is a bit puzzling that the vast majority of black voters lean democrat.

If you had a particular demographic that has the following stances:
65% oppose gay marriage
70% in favor of stricter immigration legislation
55% pro-life
45% pro-gun
60% in favor of universal healthcare

If you combine those elements, one would never think that 94% of that demographic would go Democrat. If anything, the results above would define the black community, in essence, a centrist demographic if anything. They seem to lean to just either side of center on the various issues.

The Democrats and their PR teams have done a very good job of gaining the trust of the Black community and convincing the public (as a whole) that Republicans don't like minority voters and are the party of rich old white men.

Republicans aren't blameless in all of this...recently, they've sort of played in to the Democrats hand by pushing so hard for things like voter ID laws.

That's why it's critical that Republicans do a few things...
1. Run a minority candidate to blow the Democrat narrative out of the water (cough cough: run Rubio)
2. Let some of the small stuff go...Voter ID laws aren't the hill to die on.
3. Table the welfare conversations for a later date. They've been trying to claim that want to scale back welfare for some time now...to no avail...that's one of those social programs that's been here for a long time, and will continue to be here for a long time. You're not going to be able to make any significant changes to it overnight...saying that you intend to is not only lying to your own party, but also alienating certain demographics.


In the past few decades, selling your political party has become much like selling a car.

Republicans are trying to sell their car the same way a private seller would try to.

Democrats are like professional car salesmen.
 
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People will cite the southern strategy and reference a party switch in efforts to explain this...and then thumb their nose at anyone who dares to bring up Robert Byrd...

Yes, because saying "Robert Byrd" negates the entire Democratic party, and proves they are all like him.... LOL

Virginians voted in Byrd.

Q: What has been your biggest mistake and your biggest success?

A: Well, it's easy to state what has been my biggest mistake. The greatest mistake I ever made was joining the Ku Klux Klan. And I've said that many times. But one cannot erase what he has done. He can only change his ways and his thoughts. That was an albatross around my neck that I will always wear. You will read it in my obituary that I was a member of the Ku Klux Klan.


http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/chatterbox/2002/12/what_about_byrd.html
 
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Yes, because saying "Robert Byrd" negates the entire Democratic party, and proves they are all like him.... LOL

Virginians voted in Byrd.

Q: What has been your biggest mistake and your biggest success?

A: Well, it's easy to state what has been my biggest mistake. The greatest mistake I ever made was joining the Ku Klux Klan. And I've said that many times. But one cannot erase what he has done. He can only change his ways and his thoughts. That was an albatross around my neck that I will always wear. You will read it in my obituary that I was a member of the Ku Klux Klan.


http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/chatterbox/2002/12/what_about_byrd.html

How about you quote my entire post instead of cherry picking the part that you feel gives you a slam-dunk rebuttal.

here's the rest of that part of my post:
However, the reality is that there were a handful of the racist dixiecrats who jumped over to the republican side, and there were also a handful of dixiecrats who stayed with the democrats and continued to hold office on the (D) ticket clear through the 70's and 80's...so both sides tend to misrepresent the situation in that regard.

I never said Robert Byrd negated or defined an entire party, in fact, if you read closely, you'll see I was saying quite the opposite.

Robert Byrd doesn't negate the fact that some people did switch parties...likewise, the southern strategy didn't create the "racism-free" democratic party as some would suggest either...

Thus the reason why I said both sides are misrepresenting the truth.

Try reading my entire post this time instead of getting the part where Robert Byrd's name came up and bailing on the rest of the post to try to prove your point.
 
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What do you think the reasons are?
I have no idea, in todays America I wonder why anyone would vote Republican when they stand for everything that works against middle and low income Americans.
They seem to want to keep American children uneducated, without health insurance and poor, Oh yes and religious.

Why can't Americans see that if they lose their jobs they lose their insurance, if they find out later that one of their family needs a big operation it can wipe them out financially?
Even if I went private and had to pay for an operation in the UK it would cost me a third of what an uninsured American would pay in the US.
 
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How about you quote my entire post instead of cherry picking the part that you feel gives you a slam-dunk rebuttal.
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You brought up Byrd, and I responded without thumbing my nose....whatever you meant by that.

I am under no obligation to respond to everything you post, so your guilt trip has had no effect.
 
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Prior to the New Deal, black voters were almost uniformly Republican. The Democratic Party itself was very split on the issue of Civil Rights, from being uniformly against civil rights laws in the late 1800s to dividing into, effectively, two factions: the pro-civil rights Democrats in the north who could be reasonably described in modern terms as "liberals," and the anti-civil rights Democrats (Dixiecrats) in the south who would be described in modern terms as "conservatives." Similarly, the Republicans were almost uniformly liberal on civil rights in the north, and did not really exist in the south until the early 20th Century. The Republicans who emerged in the south were, generally, even more conservative than the Democrats in the south.

So by the 1960s, you had the Democrats who were fairly uniformly liberal on economic issues throughout the nation, but split between liberals in the north and conservatives in the south on civil rights, and Republicans who were fairly uniformly conservative on economic issues throughout the nation but on civil rights were split between liberals in the north who were very similar to northern Democrats and conservatives in the south who were very conservative on civil rights. So while on economics, the dividing line between liberal and conservative was party, on civil rights the dividing line was regional: the north was liberal and the south was conservative.

Like most poor Americans, the black population moved heavily towards the Democrats during the New Deal, but they weren't uniformly Democratic (many black voters backed Eisenhower in the 1950s, as he was a relatively liberal northern Republican on civil rights issues). In 1960, both the Democratic (Kennedy) and Republican (Nixon) candidates for president were from outside the south, and while strongly divided on economic and military issues, they were fairly well in line on civil rights questions.

After Kennedy won, and was assassinated, his successor, Lyndon Johnson, pushed hard for civil rights legislation. Though he was from the South, LBJ had drifted to a liberal position on civil rights in the 1950s -- arguably because he realized no Democrat from Texas was going to get anywhere in the national party if he was out of step with the majority of the country on civil rights. Of the four blocks of votes -- liberal Democrats, liberal Republicans, conservative Democrats, and conservative Republicans -- the conservative Democrats, having held all but a handful of seats from their southern states for decades due to a lack of competition, were the most senior and powerful block in the Congress. However, the combined Republicans and Democrats who were liberals on civil rights outnumbered the conservative southerners. LBJ was able to maneuver the legislation through.

In the end, as expected, it was the regional, not partisan, factors that determined the votes:

Northern Democrats voted 95% in favor of the Civil Rights Act. (190 of 200)
Northern Republicans voted 85% in favor of the Civil Rights Act. (165 of 194)
Southern Democrats voted 7% in favor of the Civil Rights Act. (8 of 115)
Southern Republicans voted 0% in favor of the Civil Rights Act. (0 of 11)

In the 1964 election, black voters shifted heavily to Johnson because of his part in pushing the law and because his Republican opponent, Barry Goldwater, loudly opposed it. By 1968, the Republicans began making gains in the South by running candidates that were more conservative on civil rights issues than Democratic incumbents. Over time, as black voters stuck with the Democrats because of the combined influence of the New Deal and the Civil Rights Act, the Democratic Party as a whole moved in line with the Northern Democratic position from 1964, while the Republican Party as a whole sort of averaged the difference between it's two factions' positions in 1964. This led to major gains for the Democrats amongst black voters and liberals in the north, and for Republicans amongst white conservatives in the south. It was a major realigning event in American political history.

So while many African Americans today are more socially conservative than the Democratic Party as a whole, they continue to vote Democratic en masse because on economics they've been with the Democrats since the New Deal, and since the mid-1960s the Democratic Party has been the loudest champion of civil rights. It's not that hard to understand.
 
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You brought up Byrd, and I responded without thumbing my nose....whatever you meant by that.

I am under no obligation to respond to everything you post, so your guilt trip has had no effect.

If the rest of the post contains the context of the post, then you should be responding to it, if not, then you're simply strawmanning (debating against a fictitious position that I don't hold).

I never said that Robert Byrd negated anything, you implied that I said that by cherry picking.

you're intentionally misrepresenting me

You're debating dishonestly and everyone here can see that.
 
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If the rest of the post contains the context of the post, then you should be responding to it, if not, then you're simply strawmanning (debating against a fictitious position that I don't hold).

I never said that Robert Byrd negated anything, you implied that I said that by cherry picking.

you're intentionally misrepresenting me

You're debating dishonestly and everyone here can see that.

Give it a rest.

You brought up Byrd, and I addressed Byrd. It is amusing how you believe your words are words of wisdom, and we should be in awe of your spectacular insight....

You brought up Byrd and I did not thumb my nose.... LOL Looks like you don't like being taken to task for your comments.
 
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I don't know but I must ask what difference it makes what they were? surly it's what they are today that matters.

The election in 2016 will determine whether the US moves forwards or backwards so it's important that people look to the future not the past.

What does that even mean?
 
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In the end, as expected, it was the regional, not partisan, factors that determined the votes:

Northern Democrats voted 95% in favor of the Civil Rights Act. (190 of 200)
Northern Republicans voted 85% in favor of the Civil Rights Act. (165 of 194)
Southern Democrats voted 7% in favor of the Civil Rights Act. (8 of 115)
Southern Republicans voted 0% in favor of the Civil Rights Act. (0 of 11)

In the 1964 election, black voters shifted heavily to Johnson because of his part in pushing the law and because his Republican opponent, Barry Goldwater, loudly opposed it. By 1968, the Republicans began making gains in the South by running candidates that were more conservative on civil rights issues than Democratic incumbents. Over time, as black voters stuck with the Democrats because of the combined influence of the New Deal and the Civil Rights Act, the Democratic Party as a whole moved in line with the Northern Democratic position from 1964, while the Republican Party as a whole sort of averaged the difference between it's two factions' positions in 1964. This led to major gains for the Democrats amongst black voters and liberals in the north, and for Republicans amongst white conservatives in the south. It was a major realigning event in American political history.

So while many African Americans today are more socially conservative than the Democratic Party as a whole, they continue to vote Democratic en masse because on economics they've been with the Democrats since the New Deal, and since the mid-1960s the Democratic Party has been the loudest champion of civil rights. It's not that hard to understand.
Not to mention the Republicans kept pushing "States Rights"...yet it was the Federal Government that many times had to slap the States with regards to Civil Rights issues. Even to this day, pushing States Rights to minorities tend not to work. If anything a strong Fed is seen as more important.
 
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Give it a rest.

You brought up Byrd, and I addressed Byrd. It is amusing how you believe your words are words of wisdom, and we should be in awe of your spectacular insight....

You brought up Byrd and I did not thumb my nose.... LOL Looks like you don't like being taken to task for your comments.

LOL, being taken to task.....yeah....right.
(I won't give it a rest when someone is blatantly being dishonest)

You haven't addressed the content of my post aside from taking one line out of context and strawmanning.

You lying doesn't equate to me being "taken to task", but nice try.

I brought up Robert Byrd as an example of how both sides are dishonest on this topic...so in a way, I was agreeing with your point.

I simply pointed out that both sides misrepresent the truth on this matter.


PS, maybe you should look up the definition of the idiom "thumbing your nose" lol

2.Fig.to dismiss someone or something as worthless, verbally.

I brought up the fact that Liberals often thumb their nose at the idea of bringing up Byrd (aka, dismiss that as worthless - per the definition above).

My point wasn't that Byrd defined the entirety of the party, but simply that by thumbing your nose (see definition above if you don't understand the meaning) at that fails to acknowledge that Byrd wasn't the only one who stayed with the democrats.

The fact is this (as I mentioned earlier), both sides exaggerate. Democrats will have you believe that there was a 100% party switch and that the democratic party was racism free as a result of the southern strategy....Republicans will have you believe that the fact that Robert Byrd (among several others) stayed with the Democrats that the Democrats are still the party of racism...

Both sides are wrong.

Republicans typically bring up Byrd since he's just the most well known example. Democrats, rebuttaling that, are dishonest by trying pass it off as if Byrd was the only one who stayed around.
 
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The lesson as to why do they vote Democratic - the answer is just follow what Obama is doing, he is securing more Democratic votes the whole time in office. He is after his FOREVER Democratic party so there will never be another Republican president and we will become a Socialist country.
 
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Democrats, rebuttaling that, are dishonest by trying pass it off as if Byrd was the only one who stayed around.

Nobody here said that. You preemptively threw it out there.... You brought up Byrd in an attempt to smear democrats.

Talk about dishonesty.
 
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The election in 2016 will determine whether the US moves forwards or backwards so it's important that people look to the future not the past.

The backward march won't be changed by the election of a person from either party. Our only hope is if the citizenry rises up and begins to live responsibly.
 
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The lesson as to why do they vote Democratic - the answer is just follow what Obama is doing, he is securing more Democratic votes the whole time in office. He is after his FOREVER Democratic party so there will never be another Republican president and we will become a Socialist country.
Yep. Blame Obama....
 
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The backward march won't be changed by the election of a person from either party. Our only hope is if the citizenry rises up and begins to live responsibly.

Are you saying blacks don't live responsibly? Or did you mean democrats in general?
 
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