Feel like I committed unforgivable sin and worried that I can't be forgiven

DiscipleEthan · May 18, 2015

So I have yet another question. What does it mean to blaspheme against the holy spirit? Because before I was saved, I once thought that Jesus was the devil in disguise. And I have also been pressured into saying the sinner's prayer and then after that I turned away from Jesus. But then I accepted Jesus truly last year. I found this quote on a source I was looking at and I feel concerned:

Why is it more certainly fatal to speak against the Holy Spirit than against the Son of Man, may be in part beyond our powers of comprehension; but this much we know, that one who speaks against the latter may subsequently be convinced by the testimony of the Holy Spirit, and become a believer. But if he reject the evidence given by the Holy Spirit and ascribe it to Satan, he rejects the only evidence on which faith can be based; and without faith there is no forgiveness. If it be answered that a man might do this at one period of his life and subsequently be convinced and repent, we reply that this is precisely what the Savior, in effect, says he can not do; and we therefore suppose that one who is so desperately wicked as to be guilty of this sin, is already beyond the reach of redemption. Such was the condition of some of the Pharisees. ([Matthew] xxiii.33; John viii. 21.)

So does this mean I'm not forgiven because I had thought Jesus was the devil in disguise? I know it's probably just the devil talking, but this worries me a lot. The passage seems to say "even if someone rejects the holy spirit at one point in his life and then tries to repent, the Savior still can't forgive". I hope that's not true, because I rejected Jesus and called him the devil at one point in my life and then turned around and repented. I could use some reassurance.

Xalith · May 18, 2015

The "Unpardonable Sin", is the Sin that was committed by some Pharisees (and others) in Jesus's time. It was the sin of accusing Jesus in the flesh of being Satan or a demon. They were blaspheming Jesus and the Holy Spirit inside of Jesus.

This sin is not commit-able by us today, as we have never seen Jesus in the Flesh (though I assume that during His Second Coming it could be possible to commit this sin once again).

Jesus in the flesh is kind of like "undeniable proof", if you were standing right next to Jesus in the flesh, and He performed wondrous miracles, and you told Him that He was of the devil, then that was unforgivable because you not only blasphemed Jesus, but the Holy Spirit at the same time, AND you denied proof that was right in front of your eyes.

Relevant Link: http://www.gotquestions.org/unpardonable-sin.html

Neogaia777 · May 18, 2015

Xalith said:
The "Unpardonable Sin", is the Sin that was committed by some Pharisees (and others) in Jesus's time. It was the sin of accusing Jesus in the flesh of being Satan or a demon. They were blaspheming Jesus and the Holy Spirit inside of Jesus.

This sin is not commit-able by us today, as we have never seen Jesus in the Flesh (though I assume that during His Second Coming it could be possible to commit this sin once again).

Jesus in the flesh is kind of like "undeniable proof", if you were standing right next to Jesus in the flesh, and He performed wondrous miracles, and you told Him that He was of the devil, then that was unforgivable because you not only blasphemed Jesus, but the Holy Spirit at the same time, AND you denied proof that was right in front of your eyes.

Relevant Link: http://www.gotquestions.org/unpardonable-sin.html

The unpardonable sin against the Holy Spirit is a sin of the Spirit, not the flesh, we are to condemn the flesh and crucify it, we can say anything we want about or against the man Jesus while he was in the flesh, and the whole "devil in disguise" thing is something all true Christians do, about mid-walk with him, how else shall he prove to you that he's not him(Satan) if he doesn't first allow us to explore or suggest the possibility that he might be him...

In my opinion, I have had some strange supernatural experiences, where I felt a presence, so I decided it was real, I became a believer, but down to this day I do not know the source, but the Father "allowed" it (to happen to/with/around me). To this day I cannot discern whether it was an angelic (good, holy) or demonic (bad, unholy) and I still don't know and can't tell down to this day. For one to Blaspheme the Holy Spirit, he has to first to have discerned the Holy Spirit, and I challenge those of you out there who can discern spirits, to do so, and tell us. So, I don't think its even possible for us to Blaspheme the Holy Spirit if you cannot "discern" between spirits?

And no... considering for a time, but then ultimately rejecting the possibility that Jesus was the "Devil in disguise, is not the sin against the Holy Spirit, it is an accusation against the Son of Man,

God Bless!

DiscipleEthan · May 18, 2015

Thanks. I'm glad to know that I haven't committed blasphemy of the holy spirit. They also say if you're concerned that you've committed it, then you haven't

Neogaia777 · May 18, 2015

DiscipleEthan said:
Thanks. I'm glad to know that I haven't committed blasphemy of the holy spirit. They also say if you're concerned that you've committed it, then you haven't

We must be very careful when discerning spirits or the spiritual (realm) what you might call a devil or a demon, could actually be a Holy Angel (Holy Spirit) in disguise, and if we discern this, then it could be a blaspheming the Holy Spirit, but you'd have to know who's who first, and then if you knowingly curse or go against the Holy Spirit, with full knowledge of the fact, so, I just don't think it's very possible...

God Bless!

DiscipleEthan · May 19, 2015

I wouldn't knowingly go against the holy spirit or an angel. Before I accepted Christ, I was in doubt over who Jesus really is

Gunny · May 19, 2015

I have heard the "Unpardonable Sin" message preached countless ways over approx. thirty-two years.

In my humble opinion the only "Unpardonable Sin" is the rejecting of Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior and receiving salvation. No savior=no forgiven sin.

MWood · May 19, 2015

Gunny said:
I have heard the "Unpardonable Sin" message preached countless ways over approx. thirty-two years.

In my humble opinion the only "Unpardonable Sin" is the rejecting of Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior and receiving salvation. No savior=no forgiven sin.

It is not Jesus it is the Holy Spirit.

Reference: Mat 12:31-32, Luke 12:10

Xalith · May 19, 2015

In my humble opinion the only "Unpardonable Sin" is the rejecting of Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior and receiving salvation. No savior=no forgiven sin.

If that were true, then nobody who has ever initially rejected Christ can ever come to accept Him in the future. I've heard lots of stories of Athiests (who initially rejected the faith) coming to Christ at some later point in their lives.

If rejecting Christ is "unpardonable", then how is it that an athiest who rejects Him early in life can turn around and receive Him later in life?

The Bible (including the Old Testament!) is filled with the notion that God will forgive anything you've ever done in your life if you'll but turn to Him and Obey Him.

The one and only time that is ever different, is Jesus' words after the Pharisees accused Him of being of the devil.

However, people in modern times have said similar things about Jesus in rebellion (especially when they are younger) and then come to Him later in life, so what's different between then & now?

The only answer I can think of: Jesus was there in the flesh and he performed miracles, signs, and wonders to prove who He is, and He was STILL rejected after undeniable proof.

A person who rejects Him after proof is not going to accept Him again later in life...

joshuanazar · May 20, 2015

I'm am going to simplify this. Blasphemy of the the Holy Spirit is hating the Holy Spirit who is the only way that we can see Jesus and his grace.

Gunny · May 20, 2015

MWood said:
It is not Jesus it is the Holy Spirit.

In my humble opinion, the Triune Godhead aka Trinity are equal in nature. If one rejects Jesus, the only begotten Son-one has rejected the Father and the Holy Spirit.

One can not receive (born again of God's Spirit (Holy Spirit) Salvation if one does not Have Jesus, The Father, and the Holy Spirit.

If one does not have Jesus, the Father or the Holy Spirit-one cannot be forgiven of sin aka unpardonable sin.

Neogaia777 · May 20, 2015

The verse says you can say or bring any accusation against Jesus the man (Son of man) and be forgiven, but the blasphemy against the "Holy" spirit, will not be forgiven, this means that we first have to be able to discern the Holy Spirit, from other spirits, then once you have done that, (and if you can do that), then willingly go against the Holy side, and join the dark side, by trying to label the Holy Spirit as evil...

God Bless!

ldonjohn · May 20, 2015

DiscipleEthan said:
So I have yet another question. What does it mean to blaspheme against the holy spirit? Because before I was saved, I once thought that Jesus was the devil in disguise. And I have also been pressured into saying the sinner's prayer and then after that I turned away from Jesus. But then I accepted Jesus truly last year. I found this quote on a source I was looking at and I feel concerned:

Why is it more certainly fatal to speak against the Holy Spirit than against the Son of Man, may be in part beyond our powers of comprehension; but this much we know, that one who speaks against the latter may subsequently be convinced by the testimony of the Holy Spirit, and become a believer. But if he reject the evidence given by the Holy Spirit and ascribe it to Satan, he rejects the only evidence on which faith can be based; and without faith there is no forgiveness. If it be answered that a man might do this at one period of his life and subsequently be convinced and repent, we reply that this is precisely what the Savior, in effect, says he can not do; and we therefore suppose that one who is so desperately wicked as to be guilty of this sin, is already beyond the reach of redemption. Such was the condition of some of the Pharisees. ([Matthew] xxiii.33; John viii. 21.)

So does this mean I'm not forgiven because I had thought Jesus was the devil in disguise? I know it's probably just the devil talking, but this worries me a lot. The passage seems to say "even if someone rejects the holy spirit at one point in his life and then tries to repent, the Savior still can't forgive". I hope that's not true, because I rejected Jesus and called him the devil at one point in my life and then turned around and repented. I could use some reassurance.

DiscipleEthan,

You said that you had been pressured into saying the sinner's prayer. Assuming you were pressured into saying the sinners’ prayer by a person I would think that you were not really saved at that time because your were influenced by a person & not by the Holy Spirit. Real salvation comes only by the convincing influence of the Holy Spirit through hearing or reading the Gospel message. Then you said that last year you truly accepted Jesus. If you truly accepted Him as the result of the Holy Spirit drawing you to Him then that shows 1). You did not commit blasphemy against the Holy Spirit because if you had then the Holy Spirit would not work in you to draw you to Christ; 2). If you came to Jesus for forgiveness of your sin and a new life in Him then you are truly saved.

The only sin that will send anyone to hell is the sin of unbelief; refusing to believe in Jesus’ death on the cross for forgiveness of your sin. He paid the penalty for all of your sins at the cross. John 8:24 “I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.“ (KJV) Notice that the reason the person dies in their sin in because they refused to believe on Him.

bigo1984 · May 20, 2015

I thought some things similar when I first started seeking God. You are not alone brother. I believe you did this in your ignorance and those really weren't your thoughts. I know Satan tries to Pounce on New Christians who haven't established a solid foundation in the truth. I fully believe God forgave me for a similar situation and He will forgive you as well. Just press on and Study God's word and learn more of who Jesus is.

God bless

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