Is the Old Testament Done away with?

ThatTrueLight · May 18, 2015

ViaCrucis said:
Your interpretation is not being bought. The rest of us have no problem with Scripture--we love Scripture.

The problem is that your personal interpretations and opinions simply do not match what the rest of us see in Scripture, or what Christianity has historically seen in Scripture.

So if the choice is between believing what you say or what the Bible says, we choose the Bible.

-CryptoLutheran

What's your personal interpretation of this;

Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: they shall prosper that love thee.

ThatTrueLight · May 18, 2015

Here are 14 verses from the OT that are some of the most amazing writings concerning the resurrection of the dead, and its context of course is Israel. Written by the Prophet Ezekiel. If you pay attention, you'll see an undeniable connection between the resurrection of the dead (which of course is future) and God bringing Israel into their land.

IMO this is undeniable, and simply what the word of God says in plain English.

The hand of the Lord was upon me, and carried me out in the spirit of the Lord, and set me down in the midst of the valley which was full of bones, and caused me to pass by them round about: and, behold, there were very many in the open valley; and, lo, they were very dry. And he said unto me, Son of man, can these bones live? And I answered, O Lord God, thou knowest.

Again he said unto me, Prophesy upon these bones, and say unto them, O ye dry bones, hear the word of the Lord. Thus saith the Lord God unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live: and I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the Lord.

So I prophesied as I was commanded: and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking, and the bones came together, bone to his bone. And when I beheld, lo, the sinews and the flesh came up upon them, and the skin covered them above: but there was no breath in them. Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord God; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live. So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army.

Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts. Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel. And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves, and shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.

ThatTrueLight · May 18, 2015

Did you notice this part too?

and shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live

ThatTrueLight · May 18, 2015

Does everyone see how important these connections are?

From the Ezekiel prophecy alone we can makes wondrous connections to

a)The resurrection of the dead, b)the whole house of Israel in their land, and c)the Spirit of Christ in them..

That's how powerful prophecy is, because it is God's testimony concerning His Son.. and the Spirit of prophecy is the testimony of Jesus.

Bro.T · May 18, 2015

MoreCoffee said:
The scriptures point to Jesus Christ as the Israel of God, God's Son (Hosea 11:1 & Matthew 2:15), and the one through whom all of God's promises are fulfilled (2 Corinthians 1:20). And since the church is the body of Christ by which she is united to him and shares in his goodness (Romans 12:5; 1 Corinthians 12:27) it follows that the church is the Israel of God (Galatians 6:15,16). This is not a "replacement theory" is is a type & anti-type pairing in the scriptures.

I understand how you thinking, but lets remember God have a protocol in how he operates. God instituted the son's of Jacob, who be came known as Israel. Lets take a look in Genesis 32: 27 And he said unto him, What is thy name? And he said, Jacob. 28 And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed. 29 And Jacob asked him, and said, Tell me, I pray thee, thy name. And he said, Wherefore is it that thou dost ask after my name? And he blessed him there. So its twelve tribes thats makes up Israel. You are right, Jesus Christ is the Israel of God, and Israel is his priest, still to this day.

Bro.T · May 18, 2015

MoreCoffee said:
Loaded post!

The church is the body of Christ and the Lord Jesus Christ is the Israel of God - his chosen one, his Son, and his beloved - so in Christ the church is the Israel of God and ancestry does not matter. Being a natural descendant of Abraham has value but not in Christ. It's value is in having the holy scriptures, remembering the prophets, and knowing of God's promises. There is also value because of God's promises. Yet his promises are all yes and Amen in Christ Jesus so Israel according to the flesh can only receive the promises by being in Christ because he is heir of the promises and no one else can inherit by by means of union with Christ. So the nation called Israel today is not the Israel of God unless its people turn to Christ Jesus so that they may be healed of their sins and rebellions.

I understand what you are saying and when you use the word value I have to disagree, because Paul says in Romans 3:1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision? 2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God. This format have not change. The nation thats call themselves Israel today is not Israel. Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. (Revelation 3:9) The real Israelites are still in captivity and some have already turned to Christ!

fhansen · May 18, 2015

If it hasn't been brought up, the following is a chief Catholic teaching, from Nostrae Aetate on this matter.

"As Holy Scripture testifies, Jerusalem did not recognize the time of her visitation,(9) nor did the Jews in large number, accept the Gospel; indeed not a few opposed its spreading.(10) Nevertheless, God holds the Jews most dear for the sake of their Fathers; He does not repent of the gifts He makes or of the calls He issues-such is the witness of the Apostle.[Paul, cf. Rom 11](11) In company with the Prophets and the same Apostle, the Church awaits that day, known to God alone, on which all peoples will address the Lord in a single voice and "serve him shoulder to shoulder" (Soph. 3:9).(12)

Since the spiritual patrimony common to Christians and Jews is thus so great, this sacred synod wants to foster and recommend that mutual understanding and respect which is the fruit, above all, of biblical and theological studies as well as of fraternal dialogues.

True, the Jewish authorities and those who followed their lead pressed for the death of Christ;(13) still, what happened in His passion cannot be charged against all the Jews, without distinction, then alive, nor against the Jews of today. Although the Church is the new people of God, the Jews should not be presented as rejected or accursed by God, as if this followed from the Holy Scriptures. All should see to it, then, that in catechetical work or in the preaching of the word of God they do not teach anything that does not conform to the truth of the Gospel and the spirit of Christ.

Open Heart · May 19, 2015

fhansen said:
If it hasn't been brought up, the following is a chief Catholic teaching, from Nostrae Aetate on this matter.

"As Holy Scripture testifies, Jerusalem did not recognize the time of her visitation,(9) nor did the Jews in large number, accept the Gospel; indeed not a few opposed its spreading.(10) Nevertheless, God holds the Jews most dear for the sake of their Fathers; He does not repent of the gifts He makes or of the calls He issues-such is the witness of the Apostle.[Paul, cf. Rom 11](11) In company with the Prophets and the same Apostle, the Church awaits that day, known to God alone, on which all peoples will address the Lord in a single voice and "serve him shoulder to shoulder" (Soph. 3:9).(12)

Since the spiritual patrimony common to Christians and Jews is thus so great, this sacred synod wants to foster and recommend that mutual understanding and respect which is the fruit, above all, of biblical and theological studies as well as of fraternal dialogues.

True, the Jewish authorities and those who followed their lead pressed for the death of Christ;(13) still, what happened in His passion cannot be charged against all the Jews, without distinction, then alive, nor against the Jews of today. Although the Church is the new people of God, the Jews should not be presented as rejected or accursed by God, as if this followed from the Holy Scriptures. All should see to it, then, that in catechetical work or in the preaching of the word of God they do not teach anything that does not conform to the truth of the Gospel and the spirit of Christ.

Spot on.

Bro.T · May 20, 2015

fhansen said:
If it hasn't been brought up, the following is a chief Catholic teaching, from Nostrae Aetate on this matter.

"As Holy Scripture testifies, Jerusalem did not recognize the time of her visitation,(9) nor did the Jews in large number, accept the Gospel; indeed not a few opposed its spreading.(10) Nevertheless, God holds the Jews most dear for the sake of their Fathers; He does not repent of the gifts He makes or of the calls He issues-such is the witness of the Apostle.[Paul, cf. Rom 11](11) In company with the Prophets and the same Apostle, the Church awaits that day, known to God alone, on which all peoples will address the Lord in a single voice and "serve him shoulder to shoulder" (Soph. 3:9).(12)

Since the spiritual patrimony common to Christians and Jews is thus so great, this sacred synod wants to foster and recommend that mutual understanding and respect which is the fruit, above all, of biblical and theological studies as well as of fraternal dialogues.

True, the Jewish authorities and those who followed their lead pressed for the death of Christ;(13) still, what happened in His passion cannot be charged against all the Jews, without distinction, then alive, nor against the Jews of today. Although the Church is the new people of God, the Jews should not be presented as rejected or accursed by God, as if this followed from the Holy Scriptures. All should see to it, then, that in catechetical work or in the preaching of the word of God they do not teach anything that does not conform to the truth of the Gospel and the spirit of Christ.

The Bible disagree. The church is not the new people of God. The church is Israel. The church started in the wilderness on the seventh day of the week, Stephen mention that in Acts 7:38 - This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us: Paul says in Hebrews 13: 8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. We can't get twisted up on what we see today in the world, verses the Bible. The of word of God is our guide line to the truth.

Bro.T · May 20, 2015

ThatTrueLight said:
Here are 14 verses from the OT that are some of the most amazing writings concerning the resurrection of the dead, and its context of course is Israel. Written by the Prophet Ezekiel. If you pay attention, you'll see an undeniable connection between the resurrection of the dead (which of course is future) and God bringing Israel into their land.

IMO this is undeniable, and simply what the word of God says in plain English.

The hand of the Lord was upon me, and carried me out in the spirit of the Lord, and set me down in the midst of the valley which was full of bones, and caused me to pass by them round about: and, behold, there were very many in the open valley; and, lo, they were very dry. And he said unto me, Son of man, can these bones live? And I answered, O Lord God, thou knowest.

Again he said unto me, Prophesy upon these bones, and say unto them, O ye dry bones, hear the word of the Lord. Thus saith the Lord God unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live: and I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the Lord.

So I prophesied as I was commanded: and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking, and the bones came together, bone to his bone. And when I beheld, lo, the sinews and the flesh came up upon them, and the skin covered them above: but there was no breath in them. Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord God; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live. So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army.

Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts. Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel. And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves, and shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.

Praise the Lord. Some of Israel is starting to see and know who they are. The Lord is waking them up, those who have eyes to see, even other nation of people who can adhere to the truth can see!

Simonline · May 20, 2015

tanzel said:
In (Matthew 5:17), Jesus made the statement that He came not to destroy the law, or the prophets, but to fulfill. Based on other written statements many ministers have taught their congregation that the arrival of Jesus did away with the Old Testament along with its laws. They even make the statement, to their congregation that they are no longer under the Old Testament, but now operate under the New. So you have people believing that the Old Testament is no longer relevant today. One needs only to further examine the scriptures to find out, how incorrect that position is. In (Matthew 5:18), Jesus Himself states that as long as heaven and earth exist not one jot or not one tittle will pass from the law until all is fulfilled. Now you will find in a concordance that jot and tittle mean letter. Here Jesus clearly states that not one letter of the law will be changed as long as heaven and earth exist. We know that the law came from the Old Testament so based solely on (Matthew 5:18), it nor the Old Testament cannot be done away with. There is clearly a discrepancy between what is being taught and what the scriptures say. The fact, that Jesus came to fulfill is known, because that is what is stated in (Matthew 5:17).

But one needs to find out what He was to fulfill, since that is the condition put forth in (Matthew 5:18), when He said no letter would pass from the law until all is fulfilled. You will see the information needed to answer this will be found in the Old Testament. This itself serves as further proof as to how erroneous the position of doing away with the Old Testament is. This lesson will focus on what Jesus was referring to when He said He came not to destroy the law, but to fulfill and His position on the commandments.

I suggest one reads Homecoming - Our Return To Biblical Roots by Chuck and Karen Cohen http://www.amazon.com/Homecoming-Our-Return-Biblical-Roots/dp/1852404671. 'There is not a single doctrine taught by the authentic orthodox Evangelical Christian Church today that does not have its roots in the Tanach (Old Testament)'...so says Chuck Cohen. Ten years in the making this book is excellent and I can highly recommend it

Simonline.

Simonline · May 20, 2015

tanzel said:
The Bible disagree. The church is not the new people of God. The church is Israel. The church started in the wilderness on the seventh day of the week, Stephen mention that in Acts 7:38 - This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us: Paul says in Hebrews 13: 8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. We can't get twisted up on what we see today in the world, verses the Bible. The of word of God is our guide line to the truth.

Sorry but the Church is not Israel. Israel is the nation with whom YHWH has made multiple covenants and into whom the Gentile Christian believers have been grafted (Rom.9-11). The Church (i.e. the Body of Christ), as such, started not at the Exodus from Egypt, but at Shavuot (Pentecost) in A.D.33 in the courts of the temple in Jerusalem.

Furthermore, the Messiah, as the Messiah, did not exist until the Incarnation. Therefore the human creature Jesus of Nazareth had absolutely NOTHING to do with the nation of Israel in the wilderness?

This website needs to be closed down and given a major overhaul as it is very difficult to type any thing without having to keep correcting nearly every word. This website needs to be able to operate in real time?!

Simonline.

Bro.T · May 20, 2015

ThatTrueLight said:
And I thought that IN CHRIST there is NEITHER JEW or GENTILE.. but a new creation.. so how can you be a Jew if there are no Jews or Gentiles, male or female, bond or free, etc etc..?

Thats referring to the spiritual side of the word of God, when Paul says in Galatians 3: 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. But the protocol is still the same. The question is How can one who is not of the lineage of Israel, become partakers of the covenant of God? Because theres no new creation or no new way. Remember Jesus came to the house of Israel first, lets take a look in Matthew 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: 6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. This is because of the protocol, Jesus had to come into his own, then he sent other apostles to the Gentiles.

Lets take a look into (Ephesians 2:11-22) let’s look at the 11th through 13th verses. "Wherefore remember, that ye being in the time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called uncircumcision by that which is called the circumcision in the flesh made by hands; (12th vs.) That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenant of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: (13th vs.) But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ."

When asked, what is a Gentile, it is commonly answered anyone who is not Jewish. Most modern day Christians are taught that they are Gentiles. So who or what is a Gentile? Is Paul a Gentile? First of all, Gentile is a lineage of people. All of the Europeans (the people commonly referred to as white or Caucasian) are Gentiles. I will identify these people through the scriptures. Genesis 10:1-5 - "Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth: and unto them were sons born after the flood. The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal , and Meshech, and Tiras. And the sons of Gomer; Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah. And the sons of Javan; Elishah,and Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim. By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations". The sons of Japheth are the people known as Gentiles. Now lets break down these families: Gomer (Celtics), Magog (Russia), Madai (Medes), Javan (Greece, Syria), Tubal (south of the Black Sea, Spain), Meshech (Russia), Tiras (Thracians).

Bro.T · May 20, 2015

Simonline said:
Sorry but the Church is not Israel. Israel is the nation with whom YHWH has made multiple covenants and into whom the Gentile Christian believers have been grafted (Rom.9-11). The Church (i.e. the Body of Christ), as such, started not at the Exodus from Egypt, but at Shavuot (Pentecost) in A.D.33 in the courts of the temple in Jerusalem.

Furthermore, the Messiah, as the Messiah, did not exist until the Incarnation. Therefore the human creature Jesus of Nazareth had absolutely NOTHING to do with the nation of Israel in the wilderness?

This website needs to be closed down and given a major overhaul as it is very difficult to type any thing without having to keep correcting nearly every word. This website needs to be able to operate in real time?!

Simonline.

Simonline said:
Furthermore, the Messiah, as the Messiah, did not exist until the Incarnation. Therefore the human creature Jesus of Nazareth had absolutely NOTHING to do with the nation of Israel in the wilderness?

Lets see is this true what you say...lets go into 1 Corinthian 10: 1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; 2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat; 4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

So Paul says don't be ignorant, that spiritual rock was Christ, who lead Israel in the days of Moses. We have to learn to read our Bibles and ask question first.

Bro.T · May 20, 2015

Simonline said:
I suggest one reads Homecoming - Our Return To Biblical Roots by Chuck and Karen Cohen http://www.amazon.com/Homecoming-Our-Return-Biblical-Roots/dp/1852404671. 'There is not a single doctrine taught by the authentic orthodox Evangelical Christian Church today that does not have its roots in the Tanach (Old Testament)'...so says Chuck Cohen. Ten years in the making this book is excellent and I can highly recommend it

Simonline.

Sounds interesting. In the scriptures it written in Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them. Because they both work together.

Bro.T · May 21, 2015

JESUS REINFORCES THE COMMANDMENTS

In Matthew verse 22:35, a lawyer who was well versed in the law proposed a question to Jesus.

(35) Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying.

(36) Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

The following verses show Jesus reply.

(37) Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

(38) This is the first and great commandment.

(39) And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

(40) On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Now Jesus was asked for the great commandment and He responded by stating the same commandments which had been given to Israel by Moses. In verse 37, Jesus in his reply quoted the same commandment written in Deuteronomy.

(Deuteronomy 6:5), And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

In verse 39 Jesus quoted the commandment written in Leviticus.

(Leviticus 19:18) Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the Lord.

The commandments given by Jesus encompass the Ten Commandments. Because if you love God you will not have any gods before Him nor make any graven images to worship, nor use His name in vain. You will remember to keep the Sabbath day holy and you will honor your father and mother. And if you love your neighbour you will not steal from him nor lie on him or commit murder against him. You will not commit adultery nor covet that which belongs to another.

Note how Jesus replied when questioned about obtaining eternal life.

(Matthew 19:16), And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

(17) And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? There in none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Now Jesus told the individual to obtain eternal life he must keep the commandments. Now this person wanted Jesus to be specific so he asked which commandments.

(18) He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

(19) Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Here once again Jesus gave instruction to keep the same commandments that had been given by Moses. Look at Jesus=s response in the Gospel of Luke when He was asked about how to obtain eternal life.

(Luke 10:25) And, behold a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?

Jesus first responds by answering him a question.

(Luke 10:26), He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?

Jesus is asking him does he not know the writing of Moses. The lawyer responds in the following verse.

(Luke 10:27) And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and love thy neighbour as thyself.

Now Jesus is going to let him know that his answer was correct.

(Luke 10:28) And he said unto him, Thou has answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.

Once again Jesus confirms that one should follow the laws given by Moses. Contrary to the belief of many, Jesus did not do way with the laws of Moses or with the fact that one has to be obedient. This is evidenced in the following verse. Here Jesus tells you what you should do if you love Him.

(John 14:15) If you love me, keep my commandments.

The question one may have is which commandments? The same commandments given by Moses. This applies to all of Gods laws, His Royal Laws which are the Ten Commandments as well as His Dietary Laws and Moral Laws found in the Old Testatment. Jesus first coming did not do away with the laws. He did not issue any new commandments. What Jesus did was to emphasize the spirit of the law.

Bro.T · May 21, 2015

toLiJC said:
the truth is that only the imperfect part of the law/commandments has been annulled (for example the inimical ordinances for vengeance(Exodus 21:24, Matthew 5:38-41), (for) stoning(Deuteronomy 22:13-24, John 8:1-11), (for) cursing(Numbers 5:11-29, Matthew 5:33-37;44), (for) neglect(Deuteronomy 24:1, Mark 10:1-9), etc.), the rest is still in effect

Colossians 2:14-15 "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it."

because satan had an inner/domestic power in the "heaven" in the times before the New Testament by which it was able to manifest as a part of God, even like a part of Jehovah, inculcating inimical ordinances in the law, but that its power has been destroyed by Jesus Christ

John 12:31-33 "Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out. And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. This he said, signifying what death he should die.",

John 14:30-31 "Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me. But that the world may know that I love the Father; and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go hence.",

Matthew 27:50-56 "Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom(i.e. all the imperfect part of the law/commandments has officially been annulled); and the earth did quake(i.e. the powers did shake), and the rocks rent(i.e. the inner/domestic power of satan has been taken away permanently); And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose(note: because satan had a power to hold them in the graves), And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God. And many women were there beholding afar off, which followed Jesus from Galilee, ministering unto him: Among which was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joses, and the mother of Zebedees children."

Blessings

Praise the Lord for some good understanding. Those laws that where nail to the cross, were all given by the Leviticus Priesthood, and the animal sacrificial law. Prophesy tells us that they will institute the animal sacrificial law twice in the future to come, but thats another topic.

Bro.T · May 22, 2015

Jesus did not only, not do away with the commandments, our role of obedience to those laws, intensified under his teaching.

Note what he says in the following verses.

(Matthew 5:27), Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
(28) But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a women to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Jesus is saying, it is not enough for you to refrain from committing a sinful act. He is saying it is wrong for you to even entertain the thought, of committing an act of sin. Your heart is your mind and if you allow a sinful thought to originate and fester there you may be unable to exercise restraint when confronted with a situation of temptation. Jesus goes on further to emphasize this in the following verses.

(29) And if your right eye offend thy, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

(30) If your right hand offend you cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

Here he is saying, it is better for you to destroy that member of your body that you use to commit a sinful act with, rather than risk condemning your soul to hell. He also tells you in (Matthew 5:43-47), to love your enemies, to bless them that curse you, and to do good to them that hate you. In verse 48 he tells you why you should operate in this manner.

(Matthew 4:48) Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Now Jesus tells us to be perfect and the question one should have perfect according to what. The answer is simple one should strive to be perfect in following Man=s instruction manual the Holy Bible. Jesus does not want us to abandon the laws instead he wants us to operate in the spirit of the laws.

My hope is that this lesson causes, all who believe, that the Old Testament is no longer relevant, and that we no longer have to operate under it=s laws, to reconsider their position.

Peace to all who seek truth and understanding in Jesus name.

toLiJC · May 22, 2015

tanzel said:
(Matthew 5:27), Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
(28) But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a women to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Jesus is saying, it is not enough for you to refrain from committing a sinful act. He is saying it is wrong for you to even entertain the thought, of committing an act of sin. Your heart is your mind and if you allow a sinful thought to originate and fester there you may be unable to exercise restraint when confronted with a situation of temptation. Jesus goes on further to emphasize this in the following verses.

(29) And if your right eye offend thy, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

(30) If your right hand offend you cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

Jesus talks about the occult activity in these verses, i.e. the dark side of the spiritual activity, because things such as: yoga/transcendental meditation, the so-called "third eye" a.k.a. (the) six "chakra", etc. are of the "darkness" and it would be better and best that the believers/humans not follow/serve such things, because if a male occultist is ready to defile even a woman by intervening spiritually in her life (albeit for good) despite the fact that the man is in principle the head of the woman, then how much more can any other be ill affected in such a way, that is why if someone already has such an occult sense or perception/consciousness, it would be better and best for him/her as well as for his/her cohabitant(s) to forsake it, or if someone exercises/practices yoga/transcendental meditation, then it would be better and best that the same stop doing it

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Bro.T · May 23, 2015

toLiJC said:
Jesus talks about the occult activity in these verses, i.e. the dark side of the spiritual activity, because things such as: yoga/transcendental meditation, the so-called "third eye" a.k.a. (the) six "chakra", etc. are of the "darkness" and it would be better and best that the believers/humans not follow/serve such things, because if a male occultist is ready to defile even a woman by intervening spiritually in her life (albeit for good) despite the fact that the man is in principle the head of the woman, then how much more can any other be ill affected in such a way, that is why if someone already has such an occult sense or perception/consciousness, it would be better and best for him/her as well as for his/her cohabitant(s) to forsake it, or if someone exercises/practices yoga/transcendental meditation, then it would be better and best that the same stop doing it

Blessings

I see how you trying to connect the two together. The occult activity goes into another ball game of evil. Jesus was referring to the thoughts of the mind, where as the occult activity is one who has already made up one mind and enter in a practice that could be witches or satanists, etc.

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