Christians and intoxicating substances and what the Bible says about it.

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Beyond a drink, which will likely intoxify, what is acceptable?

There are some Baptist and Pentecostals allowing drinking,their standard is wine and not to be drunk.

Problem is you just get drunk, and you do not realize till something stupid happens.

The wine is a hook for some, I went to a home where there were multiple empty bottles out from the night before.
personally I believe if you must drink don't sugar coat it, or make excuses.

Doing that adds to hypocrisy.
 
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There are some Baptist and Pentecostals allowing drinking,their standard is wine and not to be drunk.

Problem is you just get drunk, and you do not realize till something stupid happens.

The wine is a hook for some, I went to a home where there were multiple empty bottles out from the night before.
personally I believe if you must drink don't sugar coat it, or make excuses.

Doing that adds to hypocrisy.
Spurgeon on smoking;
"Well, dear friends, you know that some men can do to the glory of God what to other men would be sin. And notwithstanding what brother Pentecost has said, I intend to smoke a good cigar to the glory of God before I go to bed to-night.
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"If anybody can show me in the Bible the command, 'Thou shalt not smoke,' I am ready to keep it; but I haven't found it yet. I find ten commandments, and it's as much as I can do to keep them; and I've no desire to make them into eleven or twelve.
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"The fact is, I have been speaking to you about real sins, not about listening to mere quibbles and scruples. At the same time, I know that what a man believes to be sin becomes a sin to him, and he must give it up. 'Whatsoever is not of faith is sin' [Rom. 14:23], and that is the real point of what my brother Pentecost has been saying.
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"Why, a man may think it a sin to have his boots blacked. Well, then, let him give it up, and have them whitewashed. I wish to say that I'm not ashamed of anything whatever that I do, and I don't feel that smoking makes me ashamed, and therefore I mean to smoke to the glory of God."
http://www.spurgeon.org/misc/cigars.htm
 
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I agree drunkenness and any form of substance abuse that leads to mental impairment is not advised or suggested in the Bible. In terms of a person having a small glass of alcohol, that is not impairment. If the person involved has a drink problem, has poor self control, or for other reasons changes when under the influence of even tiny amounts of drink then they should not partake. Another thing worth noting is if it will affect a brother while in their presence then it is best to refrain, just as Paul suggested in relation to food.
 
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"Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober".

Most Baptists, at least all the ones I know and I have known a lot of Baptists in a lot of Baptist churches and they were all the same in this, from their pulpits are taught complete abstinence when it comes to any intoxicating substances such as alcoholic unholy spirits or smoking dope.

The Bible passage quoted above is found in 1 Peter 1:13.

You can't be sober when you are sipping beer, and you can't be holy when you are taking in alcoholic spirits.

You can't gird up the loins of your mind when you are letting your mind be altered by intoxicating substances such as dope smoked into you.

If you smoke dope and suck it into your body, you are not being holy because you have to be sober to be holy.

Of course, anybody who likes to smoke dope or sip spirits that are unholy, or sip unholy spirits and smoke unholy dope believe it's wrong for me to say 1 Peter 1:13-17 clearly teaches that they are being disobedient to God and being unholy.

There are many other places in the Bible where being holy excludes all intoxication substances.


Serving God and serving beer and weed do not go together. One is holy and the other is unholy, and guess which one is which.


Hmmm. I guess Jesus was just having a bad day and forgot all this when He created wine from water, eh?
 
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one of the truly anointed and chosen men of God of our day, one of very few as our nation slides into apostacy thanks to spineless leadership in our churches.


Since when were pastors and other church leaders “spineless” because they preached, taught, and stood for the teachings of Christ rather than the teachings of men? Dedicating one’s life to studying the Scriptures in order to give English-speaking people accurate translations of the Bible is not a sin; but lying about those men and their translations is a sin unto death. Drinking a beer after work is not a sin unless one’s conscience forbids it (Rom. 14:23); but lying about textual critics and Bible translators and their translations is a sin unto death.


Revelation 21:8. But the fearful, and unbelieving, and abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. (KJV)


Upon accepting Christ as my savior many years ago, I decided that I would be a better witness for Christ in my particular culture if I abstained from consuming alcohol, and since then I have not so much as tasted an alcoholic beverage. Being a Christian, however, is not about abstaining from things—being a Christian is living a life of surrender to Christ in full obedience to Him with clean hands and a pure heart.
 
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Hmmm. I guess Jesus was just having a bad day and forgot all this when He created wine from water, eh?
No, I don't think Jesus ever had a "bad day".... I believe he turned water in to grape juice, delicious grape juice...not alcoholic wine....that wedding went on for a week....can you imagine if people were drinking alcohol for a week straight! There would have been nothing HOLY about the wedding! And can you imagine all the sin people would have fallen in to, because Jesus did a miracle and created all that wine??? No....Jesus would never have done anything that would cause people to sin....it was just GRAPE JUICE that He made for the wedding feast....
 
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Indeed, and before Welch's invention of grape juice pasteurization alcohol was consumed in Church services as a given.

The biblical practice of using wine for communion is replaced with grape juice...and they claim it's biblical. Very sad.
 
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No, I don't think Jesus ever had a "bad day".... I believe he turned water in to grape juice, delicious grape juice...not alcoholic wine....that wedding went on for a week....can you imagine if people were drinking alcohol for a week straight! There would have been nothing HOLY about the wedding! And can you imagine all the sin people would have fallen in to, because Jesus did a miracle and created all that wine??? No....Jesus would never have done anything that would cause people to sin....it was just GRAPE JUICE that He made for the wedding feast....

Are you being satirical, or are you being serious? The wedding was a Jewish wedding—and no Jew ever served grape juice at a Jewish wedding.
 
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No, I don't think Jesus ever had a "bad day".... I believe he turned water in to grape juice, delicious grape juice...not alcoholic wine....that wedding went on for a week....can you imagine if people were drinking alcohol for a week straight! There would have been nothing HOLY about the wedding! And can you imagine all the sin people would have fallen in to, because Jesus did a miracle and created all that wine??? No....Jesus would never have done anything that would cause people to sin....it was just GRAPE JUICE that He made for the wedding feast....

The only way to reach that conclusion is to ignore the full context of the account. What reason would the master of the marriage feast possibly have for stating, "Every man serves the good wine first, and when the people have drunk freely, then he serves the poorer wine; but you have kept the good wine until now." His statement was based on the fact that wine deadens the taste buds and after a while the flavor is muted by the effects of alcohol. It makes no sense any other way. Drinking wine is not sinful. I challenge anyone to prove such silliness. Christ did not do anything to cause anyone to sin as you suggest. What is forbidden is drunkenness, not drinking. If you can't see the difference, I can't help you. Drinking wine for a week long feast, taken with food, wouldn't cause such a ruckus as you suppose. Nor does it say anywhere that wine was ALL that was being drunk. What unholiness would it create? None.
 
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The only way to reach that conclusion is to ignore the full context of the account. What reason would the master of the marriage feast possibly have for stating, "Every man serves the good wine first, and when the people have drunk freely, then he serves the poorer wine; but you have kept the good wine until now." His statement was based on the fact that wine deadens the taste buds and after a while the flavor is muted by the effects of alcohol. It makes no sense any other way. Drinking wine is not sinful. I challenge anyone to prove such silliness. Christ did not do anything to cause anyone to sin as you suggest. What is forbidden is drunkenness, not drinking. If you can't see the difference, I can't help you. Drinking wine for a week long feast, taken with food, wouldn't cause such a ruckus as you suppose. Nor does it say anywhere that wine was ALL that was being drunk. What unholiness would it create? None.

Proverbs: 23. 29. Who hath woe? who hath sorrow? who hath contentions? who hath babbling? who hath wounds without cause? who hath redness of eyes? 30. They that tarry long at the wine; they that go to seek mixed wine. 31. Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright. 32. At the last it biteth like a serpent, and stingeth like an adder. 33. Thine eyes shall behold strange women, and thine heart shall utter perverse things. 34. Yea, thou shalt be as he that lieth down in the midst of the sea, or as he that lieth upon the top of a mast. 35. They have stricken me, shalt thou say, and I was not sick; they have beaten me, and I felt it not: when shall I awake? I will seek it yet again. -
 
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Proverbs: 23. 29. Who hath woe? who hath sorrow? who hath contentions? who hath babbling? who hath wounds without cause? who hath redness of eyes? 30. They that tarry long at the wine; they that go to seek mixed wine. 31. Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright. 32. At the last it biteth like a serpent, and stingeth like an adder. 33. Thine eyes shall behold strange women, and thine heart shall utter perverse things. 34. Yea, thou shalt be as he that lieth down in the midst of the sea, or as he that lieth upon the top of a mast. 35. They have stricken me, shalt thou say, and I was not sick; they have beaten me, and I felt it not: when shall I awake? I will seek it yet again. -



A Preacher answered the question this way:

So you drink but don't get drunk?

Ok then let me take your wife and hug and kiss a bit but not go all the way.

After all its just fun not adultery right?

As long as we don't go all the way?

You don't know when you get drunk ,your brain thinks sober but your mouth is speaking krunk
 
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Proverbs: 23. 29. Who hath woe? who hath sorrow? who hath contentions? who hath babbling? who hath wounds without cause? who hath redness of eyes? 30. They that tarry long at the wine; they that go to seek mixed wine. 31. Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright. 32. At the last it biteth like a serpent, and stingeth like an adder. 33. Thine eyes shall behold strange women, and thine heart shall utter perverse things. 34. Yea, thou shalt be as he that lieth down in the midst of the sea, or as he that lieth upon the top of a mast. 35. They have stricken me, shalt thou say, and I was not sick; they have beaten me, and I felt it not: when shall I awake? I will seek it yet again. -

I am well aware of this passage, and several others like it. They do not prohibit alcohol consumption. Nor do they advise against having any. They are advising to refrain from drunkenness, which is the overuse of alcohol. Personally, I drink very little. Perhaps a small glass or two of wine a week. I often have none for weeks. So, I'm not trying to justify drunkenness by any stretch of the imagination. I'm simply saying that those who repeatedly insist that we are to have none are very much mistaken and weak in their faith.
 
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Beyond a drink, which will likely intoxify, what is acceptable?

Going by the assumption that the majority of people aren't 2 feet tall and 20 lbs, I doubt a drink would lead to being drunk.
 
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I am well aware of this passage, and several others like it. They do not prohibit alcohol consumption. Nor do they advise against having any. They are advising to refrain from drunkenness, which is the overuse of alcohol. Personally, I drink very little. Perhaps a small glass or two of wine a week. I often have none for weeks. So, I'm not trying to justify drunkenness by any stretch of the imagination. I'm simply saying that those who repeatedly insist that we are to have none are very much mistaken and weak in their faith.

I completely understand and do not condemn others, for what they drink.

I abide in Romans 14 for my ultimate conclusion on drinking.

The main aspect, is would a person having some drinks in a social setting, cause a weaker Brother or Sister to fall.

As well it is better to have faith in our Christian walk than fear.
 
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