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Israel 11 was fulfilled in Acts 2:5-13. These are the same nations named, only in Isaiah 11, it is their older ancient names but it is the same geographic territories. Precisely the same, and here is another thing, the Jews in Acts 2 were celebrating the Feast of Firstfruits.

And Ezekiel 36 was fulfilled gradually first with the regathering of the Jews from Babylonian exile to the outpouring of God's Spirit in Acts 2.

Brother, I said it before, and I'll say it again - consider changing your name to Random PASSAGE, lol

Enjoy your day :)
 
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"Israel 11 was fulfilled in Acts 2:5-13. These are the same nations named, only in Isaiah 11, it is their older ancient names but it is the same geographic territories. Precisely the same, and here is another thing, the Jews in Acts 2 were celebrating the Feast of Firstfruits."

And Ezekiel 36 was fulfilled gradually first with the regathering of the Jews from Babylonian exile to the outpouring of God's Spirit in Acts 2."


Don't agree, the related scriptures have never yet been fulfilled [no historical accounts].... the Bible prophets do not morph a part of any vision as the preterist does

How about Ezekiel 38; 39? what does the preterist do with this future event
 
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Codger get to the heart of the matter by distinguishing between the temporal and spiritual.

The preterist contention that the fulfillment of the Mosaic 3 age history of the Jews, "Blessing", "Curse", and "return", resurrects the spiritual distinction between Jews and gentiles. It does not. It is a prophetic plan of history, not a spiritual one.

And by denying this plan, the preterist denies the power of God to declare what will be. It is an insult to God and his book. And it sows doubt in believers because they now have to believe that half of scripture is false, and that God slips up.

There is no denying a plan of God in Preterism, everything is going as planned and prophecied in the Bible.

From the OT, Jeremiah 31:31-36; Isaiah 62:2; 65:15; Hosea 1:10; 2:23?

From the NT, Matthew 21:43; Hebrews 7:12,18-19,26-28; 8:7,13; 9:8; 10:9,11; Galatians 5:1-6; 2 Corinthians 3:7-13; 1 Peter 2:9-10; Revelation 1:6; 5:10; 20:6?
 
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"Brother, I said it before, and I'll say it again - consider changing your name to Random PASSAGE, lol"


Yes, "random" scripture picking .... here and there

I also see that we have a comment from the junior preterist above who thinks that when a person dies they are instantily made immortal and go to heaven

.... this one going to be shocked

There are no immortal humans in "heaven" .... yet

I know that this truth impacts the teaching of his particular religious affiliation big time, but the truth is .... no man has gone to heaven except the One who has come down from heaven
 
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How about Ezekiel 38; 39? what does the preterist do with this future event

9 “Then those who dwell in the cities of Israel will go out and set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and bucklers, the bows and arrows, the javelins and spears; and they will make fires with them for seven years.

21st century war fought with Javelins, Spears, Bows & Arrows & Shields?

Gotcha....
 
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"Israel 11 was fulfilled in Acts 2:5-13. These are the same nations named, only in Isaiah 11, it is their older ancient names but it is the same geographic territories. Precisely the same, and here is another thing, the Jews in Acts 2 were celebrating the Feast of Firstfruits."

And Ezekiel 36 was fulfilled gradually first with the regathering of the Jews from Babylonian exile to the outpouring of God's Spirit in Acts 2."


Don't agree, the related scriptures have never yet been fulfilled [no historical accounts].... the Bible prophets do not morph a part of any vision as the preterist does

How about Ezekiel 38; 39? what does the preterist do with this future event

Ezekiel 38 and 39 aren't a future event, it is a prophecies of the 1st century persecutions the first generation Christians suffered.

In fact, Ezekiel 38:23 & 39:29 declares the time of its fufillment -- in the 1st century when God poured out His Spirit upon the House of Israel see Acts 2:14-21 and to the whole world was declared the Gospel.

Don't you see the similarities between the two chapters and the book of Revelation?
 
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"Ezekiel 38 and 39 aren't a future event, it is a prophecies of the 1st century persecutions the first generation Christians suffered."


You are a wild man .... give me the parallel historical record of the event in detail as the scriptures in the passage clearly present them

And your replacement insertions are definite falsifications .... and your treatment of the Lord's prophetic word is horribly maligned
 
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9 “Then those who dwell in the cities of Israel will go out and set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and bucklers, the bows and arrows, the javelins and spears; and they will make fires with them for seven years.

21st century war fought with Javelins, Spears, Bows & Arrows & Shields?

Gotcha....

Precisely, Ezekiel 38 & 39 is speaking about the triumph of the church in spite of the Neronian persecutions (the Sea Beast), the Jewish persecutions (the Land Beast), and the annihilation of Israel and the Old Covenant by God's judgment.

To any that are not aware, the sea symbolizes the Gentiles while the land symbolizes Israel in biblical prophecy.

Thus the Romans are the Sea Beast.

Israel is the Land Beast (also the Babylonian harlot).
 
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"Precisely, Ezekiel 38 & 39 is speaking about the triumph of the church"


Garbage on top of garbage I hear .... make it up as you go

Your preterism is a crooked road with no resolution

The further you go... the more you expose your false teaching

But, I am glad you are here on this forum for all to see
 
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"Precisely, Ezekiel 38 & 39 is speaking about the triumph of the church"

You are a wild man .... give me the parallel historical record of the event in detail as the scriptures in the passage clearly present them

And your replacement insertions are definite falsifications .... and your treatment of the Lord's prophetic word is horribly maligned
Garbage on top of garbage I hear .... make it up as you go

Your preterism is a crooked road with no resolution

The further you go... the more you expose your false teaching

But, I am glad you are here on this forum for all to see

Did I miss your comment on how this 21st century war with Israel will be fought by an army on horseback with Bows and Arrows, spears and javelins, "in detail as the scriptures in the passage clearly present them?"
 
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"To any that are not aware, the sea symbolizes the Gentiles while the land symbolizes Israel in biblical prophecy.

Thus the Romans are the Sea Beast.

Israel is the Land Beast (also the Babylonian harlot).:


.... from the paperback writer above

The Lord is watching you ..... does He think you are funny?
 
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Most likely .... not mine by the way


Did you miss this ? [Revelation 19:11-21]

Do you have any intelligent questions of value?

.... again, most likely not

So you don't have an explanation for it? Most likely not.

Why won't you provide the evidence for your view that you demand we provide for ours?

If you are going to hold my view up to a scriptural standard that you refuse to apply to your own view, our readers won't likely hold yours in the light you wish them to.
 
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Why won't you provide the evidence for your view that you demand we provide for ours?


Just to frustrate you .... or maybe to play the same silly game?

Think about it

It's no game. You make a claim or ask a question, I answer or challenge you to prove your premise and all you got is.... "Benghazi"! (oops I mean "preterism"!)

How about instead you engage fairly, thoughtfully, clearly and concise?

I realize that if you agreed to play fair your chances of prevailing in this debate would drop considerably, but just think.... if you did prevail under those circumstances, you could win a lot of souls... just sayin'
 
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How many souls have you won?

... now we both know what you are up to don't we .... obvious

Preterism is one of the funnest things I have ever heard

Let's laugh about it together .... for a while

If you are honest you will have to answer that you do not know how many you have won

.... only the Lord knows .... do you know this?
 
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How about Ezekiel 38; 39? what does the preterist do with this future event

The Bible, and therefore Preterism, teaches that the war of Ezekiel 38 & 39 is not a 21st century war, rather it is a pre industrial age war fought with the primitive weapons of Bows, Arrows, Javelins and Shields, by armies on horseback.
 
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Well your pre-industrial primitive idea is lacking .... it is obvious that the events of the prophet's vision have never taken place historically as you try to assert

The weapons of his day were what he describes as weapons of war are .... weapons of war .... no matter what the invention .... do you also question the Lord's intelligence?

Ezekiel's vocabulary just does not meet your requirements .... so you relegate the setting into the past ..... convenient

The same old preteristic view, if it does not fit your preconceived dogma, force fit it into the past, or just make allegorical mush .... out of sight out of mind

This war has never yet taken place, but it is coming [Psalms 83; Ezekiel 38; 39; Joel 2; 3; Micah 5:9-15; Zechariah 12:1-9; 14:1-3; 14:12-13; Revelation 14:14-20; 16:1-16; 19:11-21]

How absurd for the preterist to deny and shove these things under the rug
 
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