Third Temple comes from Ezekiel 40-47

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Keeping the law saves no one ..... never did, and never will

The Lord gave it to demonstrate this very truth .... a man cannot keep the law 100% and continuously

The law actually condemns a man and this is the purpose .... one must realize and admit this truth .... that he cannot save himself by keeping the law, so there is no remedy for him

.... except one .... to turn and repent, admit one's condition, and to accept the Lord's remedy for him [John 1:1-14; John 3:1-18]

And I agree regarding the topic of this thread ..... the Lord's next temple on the earth will be the one described in Ezekiel 40

.... there will be no temple of the Lord's on the mount during the coming tribulation, not one stone .... only after will His 3rd temple be built
 
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The most prominent feature of Millennial Israel will be its Temple, so in our search for an answer, let’s begin there. The Temple will have an outer court and an inner court. Each has gates facing East, North and South. Inside each inner gate is a room for preparing animal sacrifices (Ezek. 40:38-39), which will clearly be the order of the day during the Kingdom Age. There will be sacrifices for the year, the month, the week, and the day, in addition to those for the three remaining Levitical Feasts, Passover (bulls and goats but no lamb), Unleavened Bread, and Tabernacles. These are all discussed in detail in Ezekiel 45:13 – 46:15.

So now we know that animals will be sacrificed regularly through out the Millennium. They’ll be called sin offerings, guilt offerings and burnt offerings, just like in Leviticus. What Ezekiel didn’t discuss is why they’ll still be necessary. For that we have to look other places.
It’s The Law

Satan being Loosed of his Prison for 150 Days, that is why the Priest do not slay a Lamb, because Satan is not giving glory to the Lord.

Priests Commanded to Slay a Lamb for the "Door Posts", to Open up a way to Heaven
EXODUS 12:5 Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take [it] out from the sheep, or from the goats:EXODUS 12:7 And they shall take of the blood, and strike [it] on the two side posts and on the upper door post of the houses, wherein they shall eat it.


Priests Commanded not to Slay a Lamb for the "Door Posts", to Open up a way to the New Universe

EZEKIEL 45:18 Thus saith the Lord GOD; In the first [month], in the first [day] of the month, thou shalt take a young bullock without blemish, and cleanse the sanctuary:
EZEKIEL 45:19 And the priest shall take of the blood of the sin offering, and put [it] upon the posts of the house, and upon the four corners of the settle of the altar, and upon the posts of the gate of the inner court.

The "Temple Stones" of the "Great Tribulation" of 42 Days, is a picture of Jesus Christ the Lamb being slain, but after the "3 Days of Darkness" are completed (Rev. 13:5-8) ... Satan a picture of the bull/ram, has to be slain to go to the New Universe, a picture of man being taken by "Star Wormwood".

First, a little review. The Old Testament sacrifices, though required, were only of benefit to those who understood their symbolic purpose. In Psalm 51:16-17 David wrote,

You do not delight in sacrifice, or I would bring it; you do not take pleasure in burnt offerings. The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit; a broken and contrite heart, O God, you will not despise.

Unless they were presented with the proper attitude, animal sacrifices were not pleasing to God. Men who offered sacrifices had to admit their fallen nature and believe that the animals they were offering symbolized a coming Redeemer who would one day restore them.

God does not allow mankind to directly influence his salvation program in any capacity, until the Antichrist reigns over Judah. In otherwords, if a Church or a Political Body, brings people together and then demands of the lord salvation for them all, God will simply rebuke them. ....................... During the 150 Days of the Antichrist's Reign, when a Church or a Political Body brings people together and demands of the lord salvation for them all, God will reward them, their sacrifices are pleasing to God at that time.

ISAIAH 61:6 But ye shall be named the Priests of the LORD: [men] shall call you the Ministers of our God: ye shall eat the riches of the Gentiles, and in their glory shall ye boast yourselves.
ISAIAH 61:7 For your shame [ye shall have] double; and [for] confusion they shall rejoice in their portion: therefore in their land they shall possess the double: everlasting joy shall be unto them.
ISAIAH 61:8 For I the LORD love judgment, I hate robbery for burnt offering; and I will direct their work in truth, and I will make an everlasting covenant with them.

When the "Bull/Ram" is sacrificed in place of the "Lamb", in Ezekiel this is what Ezekiel is teaching. God rewards their sacrifices where previously, God had only demanded, "a broken spirit, and a contrite heart" ... now belove'd, Star Wormwood is the New Spirit Mankind will inherit accordingly. (a New Soul, is the doubling that completes the covenant).

And in Isaiah 66:2-3 He explained just how repulsive the sacrifices are without contrition and faith, the only proper motives.

“This is the one I esteem: he who is humble and contrite in spirit, and trembles at my word. But whoever sacrifices a bull is like one who kills a man, and whoever offers a lamb, like one who breaks a dog’s neck; whoever makes a grain offering is like one who presents pig’s blood, and whoever burns memorial incense, like one who worships an idol.”

To Kill a Lamb and offer it to the Lord, is to cast out an evil spirit (that is what Moses had done to deliver the Jewish people out of Egypt). To have God ordain the killing of a Bull, is to remove Jesus Christ the "Old Spirit", and to replace that Old Spirit, with a "New Spirit", the "New Spirit" that identifies with Star Wormwood (this is exactly what Ezekiel describes, by replacing the Lamb with the Bull/Ram to sacrifice it to God).

So both the angels in Heaven and future generations of men on Earth will see in the Church the perfection of God’s love. In Ephes. 2:10 Paul called the Church God’s workmanship. The Greek word means to make something from something else. It’s used only twice in the New Testament and both times it describes the work of God as our Creator.

The Gospel does not view evil spirits, as an offering to God until the Antichrist is appointed to Reign over Judah during the 150 Days. To these ends Revelation 11 says, even though the "TWO WITNESSES/Ancient of Days/Antichrist" marks the end of the gospel, only an evil spirit would attempt to redesign the gospel by taking his life before the Gospel Program was completed. Taking his Life, or Losing their Lives by trying to take his Life, this is the same, a grievous sin. God does not accept Bull/Ram sacrifices from man until the 150 days begins. In which case, the "Bull Sacrifice" mankind will be making is through Migration to the New Universe at that time. ...................... The Evil Spirit before the 150 days is "Death", the Evil spirit when the 150 days beings is hell/Star Wormwood. Large portion of mankind will not exist because God has completed their judgment, their Judgment does not continue, because the Earth is Holy and it is not given up to an "Evil Spirit" until, God gives the Earth up to the Antichrist Spiritually (removing the Lamb which is Jesus Christ as the Spiritual Emblem) (this does not mean the Antichrist is a new god or a new Jesus, this simply means Jesus has removed himself in certain capacities leaving a spiritual footprint that is mended by the Antichrist, until he is slain when the 150 days are completed).

In an earlier study, The Nature Of Post Church Salvation, I made the case that post Church believers, whether Jew or Gentile, will not enjoy the seal of the Holy Spirit as a guarantee of their inheritance. Eternal Security is a blessing for the Church alone and ends with the end of the Age of Grace at the Rapture. Two passages from Revelation illustrate this.
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Therefore, you kings, be wise; be warned, you rulers of the earth. Serve the LORD with fear and rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest he be angry and you be destroyed in your way, for his wrath can flare up in a moment. (Psalm 2:7-12)

The Antichrist replaces Jesus Christ the Messiah, as the "Messiah the Prince" spiritually. This is to save the "Wicked Man/Harlot" that is Spiritual Judah.

REVELATION 18:1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.
REVELATION 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

That Angel is the Antichrist reigning over Satan as a High Priest.
He will bring in the LOST PEOPLE (Judah - The Left Behind)/LAST SOULS that are to be saved through Star Wormwood's appearance in the earth. These are souls that God has not finished judging.
 
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Barean: Jon Anon is speaking of utterances of God from the OT. Don't you think them curious verses, worth examining?

To me they speak to the fact that the Law was never capable of salvation. And of course there are parts of the Law that are literally impossible for us to keep: Love the Lord your God with all your heart and all your soul, and love your neighbor as yourself.
I also suspect that it is related to Christ's work, which is sometimes spoke of as something from outside time.

Actually, I don't think the NT addresses these particularly verses. But the OT verses themselves are from canonical books. If you are making the point that this discussion is of little use (no use, actually) when witnessing to the lost, I'll agree with you. But anything which comes from the mouth of God is interesting and worth examining. Sometimes it sheds new and unsuspected light on something we "already knew". I find this to be one of the delights of our God. On the surface there is great simplicity. The Gospel is simple. But look into it, live it, and we find out it is a lot more complicated than it first appeared. Or at least the Gospel's intersection with the topography of life is complicated and many-hued. I was shocked and surprised -- I thought belief would simplify, but I was wrong. It complicates everything. This complication is actually an enrichment. So I am not surprised to find that age of the law, and the age of grace are not hermetically sealed from each other. In a way, this is a sizable dent in dispensationalism's armor -- so you should be happy. :)

God bless!

I agree that Law and Grace are not sealed off from each other.

No one was able to keep the Law.

David was an adulterer and a murderer.

Only Christ was able to keep the Law and thus complete the work that we could not do.
He came to fulfill the Law, as He stated in His own words.

He has fulfilled the Old Covenant, which has passed away, based on scripture from the Book of Hebrews.

This is the main reason I see a rebuilt temple with renewed animal sacrifices as an abomination.
The veil in the temple was torn into for a reason, on the day of the Cross.

There are many Christians today who are supporting the rebuilding of the temple in Jerusalem.
If the Jews do this, they will be in the same spiritual condition they experienced between the time Christ was crucified and 70AD.

The ultimate sacrifice has already been made.


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I agree that Law and Grace are not sealed off from each other.

No one was able to keep the Law.

David was an adulterer and a murderer.

Only Christ was able to keep the Law and thus complete the work that we could not do.
He came to fulfill the Law, as He stated in His own words.

David functioned as an Earthly King, to complete the establishment of the Jewish people into Jerusalem. ... Thou shall not Steal Tithes from the Church, Thou shall not treat a Women as a Man or a Man as a Women, Thou shall not keep a slave by withholding mercy in a relationship, etc. These are all penalties by which the gospel commands the death penalty. ... ... ... ... David kept the Old Covenant as an Old Testament King, there is no sin in that. ... ... ... ... Solomon did not keep the Old Covenant as an Old Testament King, there was considerable sin in that.

This is the main reason I see a rebuilt temple with renewed animal sacrifices as an abomination.
The veil in the temple was torn into for a reason, on the day of the Cross.

There are many Christians today who are supporting the rebuilding of the temple in Jerusalem.
If the Jews do this, they will be in the same spiritual condition they experienced between the time Christ was crucified and 70AD.

The ultimate sacrifice has already been made.
God appears to accept the offering of an unclean spirit from Noah, the unclean animals being a representation of Satan. However, unlike Star Wormwood for 5 months at the end of time. The 5 Months of Noah happened before the foundation of the earth ... Meaning ... God only accepts an unclean spirit as an offering with the Antichrist during 150 days, in the foundation of the earth. Since God has never accepted an unclean offering before at any point in time during the foundation of the earth, that is until the 150 days of Antichrist reign begins. (Jesus Christ, didn't accept an unclean spirit, that being satan or else the Gospel would be completed, we would not exist anymore in this earth, but here we are).
 
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The Third Temple is coming. The Temple Institute has already completed the altar, and the red heifer was born last year. It's all coming together. As I read in the book The Jubilee Prophecy, the Temple is the Third Jubilean restoration for Jewish people - 1917 was the land, 1967 was Jerusalem, 2016-17 should be the Temple, according to what I read, and 50 years later we should have God's Kingdom on earth restored.
 
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The Third Temple is coming. The Temple Institute has already completed the altar, and the red heifer was born last year. It's all coming together. As I read in the book The Jubilee Prophecy, the Temple is the Third Jubilean restoration for Jewish people - 1917 was the land, 1967 was Jerusalem, 2016-17 should be the Temple, according to what I read, and 50 years later we should have God's Kingdom on earth restored.

How does this group plan on doing this when there's a Mosque on the site?
 
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The Third Temple is coming. The Temple Institute has already completed the altar, and the red heifer was born last year. It's all coming together. As I read in the book The Jubilee Prophecy, the Temple is the Third Jubilean restoration for Jewish people - 1917 was the land, 1967 was Jerusalem, 2016-17 should be the Temple, according to what I read, and 50 years later we should have God's Kingdom on earth restored.

If they build it, who will come?

A rebuilt temple, with renewed animal sacrifices will put the Jewish people back into the same spiritual condition that occurred between the time that Jesus was crucified and 70 AD.
The veil in the temple was torn, showing that animal sacrifices were finished because the ultimate sacrifice had already been made.
God had given His Son as the sacrifice for sins.

Renewed animal sacrifices will be an abomination. It will be no better than Antiochus Epiphanes sacrificing a pig on the altar and setting up a statue of Zeus in 167 BC.

We find the spiritual state of the city of Jerusalem about the time of Christ's Second Coming, in the Book of Revelation.


Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

We also find a reference to a synagogue in the Book of Revelation.


Rev_2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Rev_3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.


We all need to understand that Talmudic Judaism contains derogatory statements about Jesus Christ.
They have replaced the Old Testament with the commentary of what Rabbis say about the Old Testament.
It is a corruption of God's Word.

Jacob Prasch is a Messianic Jews who speaks the truth about modern Judaism.
I do not agree with some of his eschatology, however his main focus here is the corruption of the Old Testament System.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDtkA9nYpZ8

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If they build it, who will come?

A rebuilt temple, with renewed animal sacrifices will put the Jewish people back into the same spiritual condition that occurred between the time that Jesus was crucified and 70 AD.
The veil in the temple was torn, showing that animal sacrifices were finished because the ultimate sacrifice had already been made.
God had given His Son as the sacrifice for sins.
Interesting point, if "we" were to set up a new temple, would every veil that we try to put up tear?
 
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How does this group plan on doing this when there's a Mosque on the site?

Actually Dome of the rock is not the actual place of the original Temple. Both First and Second Temple were just South or just East of the now standing muslim buildings. I don't know how they're planning to do it, but I guess it'll all come down to politics. The new TV series 'DIG' addressed this issue with fictional characters and story that is very much based on real things and real situations.
 
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Psalms 2 "The king" .....showing the kingship of the sceptre witness David (Judah). This chapter is about the anointed king David. The whole world hates the two witnesses and this chapter tells us why. The reason is people don't like the idea of anybody having dominion over them, it makes them angry and shuts them down. Verse 3 tells us the kings and rulers want to break the bands and cast away the chords of the lord and his anointed as people who don't have God in their life want nobody higher than them as they are their own god looking to rule their own kingdom

This chapter is about the sceptre(the kingship of David)



Psalm 2 King James Version (KJV)

2 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?

2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord, and against his anointed, saying,

3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.

4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.

5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.

6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.

7 I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

verse 9 shows us David the man-child ruling with a rod of iron on earth while Jesus rules from heaven
Revelation 12:5
King James Bible
And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.



9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.

11 Serve the Lord with fear, and rejoice with trembling.

12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.






Two sceptre holding Judahs ruling with a rod of iron...one in heaven ....one on earth...in chapter 6 David and one in chapter 19 Jesus



Rev 12:5 is in the time frame of the woman in the wilderness fed by the two witnesses is the man-child David the metaphoric crown wearing king

Rev 12:5
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And she brought forth a male child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.


The man-child is the king with the crown riding the white horse in chapter 6 of revealation

We see the king in Revelation chapter 6 is the white horse rider "rule with a rod of iron" on earth is David the king

6 And I saw when the Lamb(Jesus) opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.

2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.


and Revelation chapter 19 is at the end of the tribulation Jesus riding the white horse and he rules with a rod of Iron from heaven....Jesus' postion is always higher than the earthly postion so we have david ruling on earth as king with a rod of iron and we have Jesus ruling from heaven with a rod of iron utnil the new heaven and new earth where there is no sin.


Revelation 19:

1 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.

17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.


next verse showing time frame (end of tribualtion)
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
 
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To Pratt re #46.
By saying this, you are unaware of what the NT says about such things. I'm referring to all the material in Heb 5-10 about all the old covenant accessories. Did I mention this letter was to the Hebrew people?

The NT eschatological material is about the decisive generation from 30-70 who had to decide about the historic Gospel by deciding about its mission. The two go together. No theology is correct that treats them as separate entities. We know this from the official, sample appeal given by Paul during his week stay in Psidian Antioch where he preached the sample sermon of Acts 13. 13:47 tells us everthing we need to know about the status of OT prophecy now that the Gospel has occurred.

The apostle's generation truly expected the end of the entire world 'immediately after' the upheaval of 30-70, but there were allowances made for delay, and indeed we now know the delay has been considerable.

This does not mean there is another round of things to happen in Judea, because that would completely trash what Hebrews said, and its parallels in Galatians and Colossians (Col is about a pseudo-Judaism where its teachers say they are getting new validation of the old covenant from the very same angels as the original).
 
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Jesus is King and High Priest after the order of melchelzedek in Heaven and will sit at the right hand of the father until the millennium is finish but in the mean time there will be the two witnesses ruling the world. There is a levitic priesthood going on in the earth during the millennium... David will be "king" on the earth during the millennium. Jesus doesn't rule on earth until there is a new heaven and new earth.....


David is the "KING"




Ezekiel 37:

24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.

3 covenants have to be fullfilled according to jeremiah 33

David(first witness) shall not want a man to sit on the throne with the united Israel and the sun and moon is shining

The levitical preisthood won't be without a man to offer burnt offerings(2nd witness job)

the sun and moon covenant as long as the sun and moon shine these two witnesses will be over the priesthood and kingship



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In Jeremiah 33 there is a COVENANT and God will not break his COVENANT because He cannot lie.....The covenant states "IN A UNITED ISRAEL" there will be a king David on earth and a levitic preisthood on earth as long as the sun and moon are shining....GOD CANNOT LIE there will be a DAVIDIC kingship and LEVITIC preisthood no if's and's or but's about it it will happen because it is a COVENANT DEAL in a "UNITED ISRAEL


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Jeremiah 33:

17 For thus saith the Lord; David shall never want a man to sit upon the throne of the house of Israel;

18 Neither shall the priests the Levites want a man before me to offer burnt offerings, and to kindle meat offerings, and to do sacrifice continually.

19 And the word of the Lord came unto Jeremiah, saying,

20 Thus saith the Lord; If ye can break my covenant of the day, and my covenant of the night, and that there should not be day and night in their season;

21 Then may also my covenant be broken with David my servant, that he should not have a son to reign upon his throne; and with the Levites the priests, my ministers.

 
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Jon,
those declarations are fulfilled in Christ. Have you not absorbed Hebrews? Or even why Rom 1 is careful to say that humanly speaking Christ was the son of David, but on the divine level declared Son of God through the resurrection? Being resurrected means his sacrifice was considered satisfactory for all mankind and all time. That's why there will never be a lack of a sacrifice.

The OT without the NT handling of it spirals wildly out of control.
 
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Psalms 2 "The king" .....showing the kingship of the sceptre witness David (Judah). This chapter is about the anointed king David. The whole world hates the two witnesses and this chapter tells us why. The reason is people don't like the idea of anybody having dominion over them, it makes them angry and shuts them down. Verse 3 tells us the kings and rulers want to break the bands and cast away the chords of the lord and his anointed as people who don't have God in their life want nobody higher than them as they are their own god looking to rule their own kingdom

This chapter is about the sceptre(the kingship of David)



Psalm 2 King James Version (KJV)

2 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?

2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord, and against his anointed, saying,

3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.

4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.

5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.

6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.

7 I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

verse 9 shows us David the man-child ruling with a rod of iron on earth while Jesus rules from heaven
Revelation 12:5
King James Bible
And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.



9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.

11 Serve the Lord with fear, and rejoice with trembling.

12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.






Two sceptre holding Judahs ruling with a rod of iron...one in heaven ....one on earth...in chapter 6 David and one in chapter 19 Jesus



Rev 12:5 is in the time frame of the woman in the wilderness fed by the two witnesses is the man-child David the metaphoric crown wearing king

Rev 12:5
King James 2000 Bible
And she brought forth a male child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.


The man-child is the king with the crown riding the white horse in chapter 6 of revealation

We see the king in Revelation chapter 6 is the white horse rider "rule with a rod of iron" on earth is David the king

6 And I saw when the Lamb(Jesus) opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.

2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.


and Revelation chapter 19 is at the end of the tribulation Jesus riding the white horse and he rules with a rod of Iron from heaven....Jesus' postion is always higher than the earthly postion so we have david ruling on earth as king with a rod of iron and we have Jesus ruling from heaven with a rod of iron utnil the new heaven and new earth where there is no sin.


Revelation 19:

1 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.

17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.


next verse showing time frame (end of tribualtion)
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

The potter does not control the pots with a rod of iron. He destroys them, because they are imperfect.

Psalm 2:7 reveals that the passage is about Christ, "the Son", not David.

In the Book of Acts, Peter reveals that it is Christ who will sit on David's throne.



Psa 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

Psa 2:8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

Psa 2:9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

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Act 2:29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.

Act 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

Act 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.


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those declarations are fulfilled in Christ. Have you not absorbed Hebrews? Or even why Rom 1 is careful to say that humanly speaking Christ was the son of David, but on the divine level declared Son of God through the resurrection? Being resurrected means his sacrifice was considered satisfactory for all mankind and all time. That's why there will never be a lack of a sacrifice.

The OT without the NT handling of it spirals wildly out of control.



No where is scripture do we ses Jesus being called "my servant David"

We see Jesus being called "the son of david".. "the root of david".. the "offspring of david" but nowhere is Jesus called "my servant david"



In psalm 89 we see "my servant david" receiving a throne and a covenant that lasts as long as the sun and moon coveneant

34My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips.

35Once have I sworn by my holiness that I will not lie unto David.

36His seed shall endure for ever, and his throne as the sun before me.

37It shall be established for ever as the moon, and as a faithful witness in heaven. Selah.


:CovenantGod:


In a "UNITED ISRAEL" david will be king in the millenium until all "convenats are fulfilled:

1 Kingly covenant
2 Priestly covenant
3 Sun and moon covenant



Jeremiah 33:

17 For thus saith the Lord; David shall never want a man to sit upon the throne of the house of Israel;

18 Neither shall the priests the Levites want a man before me to offer burnt offerings, and to kindle meat offerings, and to do sacrifice continually.

19 And the word of the Lord came unto Jeremiah, saying,

20 Thus saith the Lord; If ye can break my covenant of the day, and my covenant of the night, and that there should not be day and night in their season;

21 Then may also my covenant be broken with David my servant, that he should not have a son to reign upon his throne; and with the Levites the priests, my ministers.

22 As the host of heaven cannot be numbered, neither the sand of the sea measured: so will I multiply the seed of David my servant, and the Levites that minister unto me.

23 Moreover the word of the Lord came to Jeremiah, saying,

24 Considerest thou not what this people have spoken, saying, The two families which the Lord hath chosen, he hath even cast them off? thus they have despised my people, that they should be no more a nation before them.

25 Thus saith the Lord; If my covenant be not with day and night, and if I have not appointed the ordinances of heaven and earth;

26 Then will I cast away the seed of Jacob and David my servant, so that I will not take any of his seed to be rulers over the seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob: for I will cause their captivity to return, and have mercy on them.










moving on to Ezekiel 37:


What does David my servant become?....He becomes the king of the earth. How long? for the 1000 year millenium and the season satan is loosed and then a new heaven and new earth is created(God tabernacles with us and sets his sancturary in the midst of us and David becomes prince and Jesus KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS for all eternity!



24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.

25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.

26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.

27 My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

28 And the heathen shall know that I the Lord do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.







Revelation 21 we see Jesus is ruling in the new heaven and new earth as "THIS" is his time to rule on earth and all the covenants of David being king and the levites ministering in the millenium and the sun and moon convenat being completed and the physical temple finished in the millenium just as is described in ezekiel during the millenium.....now we see Jesus ruling and being the light because there is no night and no need for the sun and moon in the new earth and no need of a temple as Jesus is the temple and the kings of the earth bring their glory into it(David being the highest king on earth during the millenium)


Jesus' kingdom is not of this earth but of the one to come!



22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.

23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.

25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.

26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.

27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
 
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"No where is scripture do we see Jesus being called "my servant David"


Not anywhere

In fact David is the Lord's servant in scripture and rightly noted .... which one created the other?

Isn't it interesting that many on this forum state exact opposites in support of their religious dogmas ..... where does this behavior come from?
 
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"No where is scripture do we see Jesus being called "my servant David"


Not anywhere

In fact David is the Lord's servant in scripture and rightly noted .... which one created the other?

Isn't it interesting that many on this forum state exact opposites in support of their religious dogmas ..... where does this behavior come from?

You mean from the Servant Song in Isaiah? Who bears up our weakness, sin and iniquity?
 
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First we need to establish who created everything!(JESUS DID)





If we look at the servant chapters of Isaiah in the 40's we see a Jacob and an Israel...these are the two witnesses hidden in scripture...because we see verse 1 in Isaiah 42 is speaking of the servant but verse 5 is speaking of Jesus(the one who created everthing)
Col 1:16:



13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.


John 1:




1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
Blue the servant
RED Jesus

42Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles. 2 He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street. 3 A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking [1] flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth. 4 He shall not fail nor be discouraged, [2] till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.
5 Thus saith God the Lord, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein: 6 I the Lord have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles; 7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house. 8 I am the Lord: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images. 9 Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.


These two are hidden as if it is speaking of nations but it is speaking of individuals
1 from the line of judah
the other from the line of Joseph....which is the division of the Jacob/Israel generational blessing for the end-time witnesses


1 chron 5:2:
King James Bible
For Judah prevailed above his brethren, and of him came the chief ruler; but the birthright was Joseph's:)



Isaiah 44:1:


King James Bible
Yet now hear, O Jacob my servant; and Israel, whom I have chosen:


Isaiah 41:8:



King James Bible
But thou, Israel, art my servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham my friend.




Isaiah 45:4:


King James Bible
For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.




The reason these two are chosen is because there are two families of Israel according to Jeremiah 33:24:



King James Bible
Considerest thou not what this people have spoken, saying, The two families which the LORD hath chosen, he hath even cast them off? thus they have despised my people, that they should be no more a nation before them.




WHEN YOU HAVE A FIRSTBORN IN THE BIBLE...THEY RECEIVE A DOUBLE PORTION...THESE ARE THE TWO WITNESSES...ONE FROM THE LINE OF JUDAH AND ONE FORM THE LINE OF JOSEPH OR AS THE JEWS KNOW THEM MESSIAH BEN JOSEPH AND MESSIAH BEN DAVID THE TWO WITNESSES....these two are in the volume of the book and are hidden in the shadow of the nations of Jacob and Israel and in the shadow of the firstborn Jesus.......
 
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