Harmonizing Daniel and Revelation

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"I challenge you to find "6th kingdom" or "6 kingdoms" in the text of bible prophecy"


Already have found long ago .... and posted these things on this forum

The 6th kingdom of the Satan's beast in the little horn of Daniel's visions .... this kingdom is still pending as we speak .... has never yet appeared on the earth .... part of John's view of the future "hereafter" still to come

It says fourth kingdom in the text. What's wrong with you guys? :doh:

Muslim Caliphate led kingdom .... the stage is being set
Islam is a monotheist religion. That means the muslims believe in one god, not multiple gods. The willful king in Daniel 11:36 acknowledges other gods, but claims to be greater than them all. Because he believes in multiple gods, he therefore cannot be muslim, nor worshiped by muslims. Don't you get it?


Far beyond any ancient Roman politician or fraudulent religious leader
I don't know of a single futurist who claims that the little horn is an ancient Roman politician.

And this beast will destroy astonishingly ..... and sweep away many on the earth who will oppose him .... and if those identified hunted will not submit, he will have their heads cut off [Daniel 11:44; Revelation 13:13-15; 20:4]
But is not a muslim or caliphate leader because his religion is not monotheist.

This dude will be the epitome of evil .... nothing ever experienced by humanity .... not human, but the "destroyer" .... the destroying angel king of the abyss [Revelation 9:11]
Prove that by connecting Abaddon to the little horn in Daniel 7, and to any other text of why it has to be Abaddon as the beast..

What translation are you using? In the KJV it doesn't actually say that Abaddon is the king of the abyss, but the king over the locust and he himself is the angel of the abyss - but it doesn't say king of the abyss.

11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.
 
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There are several critical problems with the current interpretations of Daniel and Revelation.

“Primary Prophecy” assigns Daniels five powers as follows:

  1. Babylon.
  2. Persia.
  3. Greece.
  4. Rome.
  5. Islam.

1. Babylon
2. Persia
3. Greece
4. Rome
5. MYSTERY BABYLON* (Daniel doesn't explicitedly identify the 5th Kingdom)


5 Kingdoms - Salvation Program Not in View

1. 2300 Daniel 8:14
2. 1290 Daniel 12:11
3. 1335 Daniel 12:12
4. 1600 Revelations 14:20
5. 150 Revelations 9:5


(Salvation Program 1075 for 6000 totals ends, Rev. 17:10 when the 3 Days of Darkness Begins ... 1075 not 1600 + 150 = 1750 so there is similarity ... Heavenly Salvation cannot take place without Benjamin, which is removed when the 3 Days of Darkness Begins ... which makes Heavenly Salvation an impossibility during the 5 Months/150 Days of Judah's Redemption)

Revelation SEALS, TRUMPETS EDITED (christianforums.com/t7877685)

1st Sequence (Daniel 2:37 - Superior Place of God Created)
1st Trumpet Blown (Holy Spirit Established) ... No Seals Opened ... No Vials Poured Out

2nd Sequence
2nd Trumpet Blown (Spiritual Satan Introduced) ... No Seals Opened ... No Vials Poured Out

3rd Sequence (Daniel 2:38 - Inferior Place takes form when Satan falls from Heaven)
3rd Trumpet Blown (Flood of Noah (first spiritual temple destroyed) ... No Seals Opened ... No Vials Poured Out

4th Sequence (Daniel 2:39 - Brings Mankind the Rule over Earth)
4th Trumpet Blown (Abraham, creation of Homosapien (second spiritual temple established) ... 4 Seals Opened ... No Vials Poured Out

5th Sequence (Daniel 2:40 - Brings Submission, Migration Movement for Judah)
5th Trumpet Blown (Great Tribulation) ... 5th SEAL Opened ... No Vials Poured Out

6th Beginning of 3 Days of Darkness (Daniel 2:45 - Stone Cut without Hands)
6th Trumpet Blown (Second Spiritual Temple Destroyed) ... 6th SEAL Opened ... No Vials Poured Out

7th End of 3 Days of Darkness
7th Trumpet, which is not Blown (Third Spiritual Temple Established) ... 7th SEAL Opened ... 1 Vial Poured Out

8th Sequence (150 Days)
No more Trumpets ... No more Seals ... 6 Remaining Vials Poured Out
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1st Kingdom. Daniel 2:37 - Daniel 2:37 - Superior Place of God Created
2nd Kingdom. Daniel 2:38 - Inferior Place takes form when Satan falls from Heaven
3rd Kingdom. Daniel 2:39 - Brings Mankind the Rule over Earth
4th Kingdom. Daniel 2:40 - Brings Submission, Migration Movement for Judah (Great Tribulation)
5th Kingdom. Daniel 2:45 - Stone Cut without Hands (No More Heavenly Salvation)

Starting with Babylon, Daniel 2 identifies 5 major powers prior to the millennium. His image contains no break, no hiatus. Why do all our frameworks contain a break?

Daniel Provides us with More detail in Daniel further along in Daniel 2 = Spiritual Dimensions

DANIEL 2:32 This image's head [was] of fine gold, his breast and his arms of silver, his belly and his thighs of brass,
DANIEL 2:33 His legs of iron, his feet part of iron and part of clay.
DANIEL 2:34 Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet [that were] of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.

1. Holy Ghost (Gold)
2. Holy Spirit (Silver)
3. Satan (Brass)
4. Antichrist (Iron and Clay) (Antichrist as representative of Benjamin)
5. MYSTERY BABYLON (Temple Stone, removing Iron and Clay) (Antichrist as representative of Joseph)

Satan was loosed, when God removed him from heaven to place him into the earth, then we can say Satan will be loosed from the Great Tribulation onwards. .................... Satan being loosed is a division in the framework, that otherwise isn't implied until more detail is provided.
 
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The image, the 4th kingdom of the little horn, and Revelation's account of the same are all congruent and not difficult to render

There are a total of 7 Middle Eastern kingdoms in view of which Daniel presents 5 going forward from his day [3 past, and 2 more to come]

The other 2 preceded Daniel's view of 5 .... the post flood "land" south of Mount Ararat of the Middle Eastern kingdom of Magog and his brothers [northwestern Mesopotamia], and the Assyrian Empire that ruled from Nineveh [Mosul Iraq]

The distinctive two problems I see on this forum are the renderings of the protestant reformers being applied and the preteristic view that ignores the future fulfillment of the same subject matter

At the crux of the first is the failure to recognize a break between the 5th and 6th kingdoms where the visions of the prophets are silent and during which the ancient Roman Empire is inserted in error

The other dogma of replacement theology discounts Israel's future inclusions

Both of these off course speculations stand in the way of a correct rendering of Israel and the related 7 Middle Eastern kingdoms presented in the scope of the Bible prophets

And little is understood about just who Satan's beast in the little horn of Daniel's visions is .... however, this truth is revealed in Revelation's unfolding and is a necessary part of the picture in order to keep from running off on a tangent with disconnected renderings that lead to much confusion [Revelation 9:11; 11:7; 13:1-4; 17:8-17]
 
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The image, the 4th kingdom of the little horn, and Revelation's account of the same are all congruent and not difficult to render

There are a total of 7 Middle Eastern kingdoms in view of which Daniel presents 5 going forward from his day [3 past, and 2 more to come

There are only four not 7. Lion, Bear, Leopard, Fourth beast. And they are not all middle eastern.

The little horn comes out of the fourth kingdom. Not fifth, not sixth.

The other 2 preceded Daniel's view of 5 .... the post flood "land" south of Mount Ararat of the Middle Eastern kingdom of Magog and his brothers [northwestern Mesopotamia], and the Assyrian Empire that ruled from Nineveh [Mosul Iraq]
It is not Daniel's view, it is the vision God gave to Nebuchadnezzar. That's the starting point, the Babylonian Empire. There is no Egyptian and Assyrian captivities associated with the prophecy - do you know why, other than the text?

It is because Daniel's people was the southern kingdom of divided Israel, and the dominating gentile Kingdoms over them were the Babylonians, the Medes-Persians, the Greeks, the Romans, then...while the Romans were over them, the Jews got dispersed into the nations. The 70 weeks deal from Daniel's time until Jesus returns, and doesn't include the Egyptian nor Assyrian kingdoms.

The distinctive two problems I see on this forum are the renderings of the protestant reformers being applied and the preteristic view that ignores the future fulfillment of the same subject matter
The problem I see is trying to add stuff to the bible that is not there - like two more kingdoms.... to make up for changing 7 kings in Revelation 17 to 7 kingdoms.
At the crux of the first is the failure to recognize a break between the 5th and 6th kingdoms where the visions of the prophets are silent and during which the ancient Roman Empire is inserted in error
There are no fifth and sixth kingdoms - because you are adding two kingdoms (the Egyptian and Assyrian) in front of the Babylonian kingdom that are not included in the prophecy.
 
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Starting with Babylon, Daniel 2 identifies 5 major powers prior to the millennium. His image contains no break, no hiatus. Why do all our frameworks contain a break?
The millennium begins when the Kingdom of God becomes the controlling Kingdom here on earth. Which will not be until Jesus returns.

So there are 4 kingdoms. With the four kingdom extending into the end times, having iron mixed with clay to identify what that end times kingdom is - which is the EU in it's final form.
 
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There are only four not 7. Lion, Bear, Leopard, Fourth beast. And they are not all middle eastern.

The little horn comes out of the fourth kingdom. Not fifth, not sixth.

Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah ... Blah!

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Lion (God) ... Bear (Satan) ... Leopard (Holy Spirit) ... Night Vision (which is a MYSTERY BABYLON) ... Ancient of Days (not called a Beast, because he is not a God ... the Antichrist (Dan. 7:9))
 
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Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah ... Blah!

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Lion (God) ... Bear (Satan) ... Leopard (Holy Spirit) ... Night Vision (which is a MYSTERY BABYLON) ... Ancient of Days (not called a Beast, because he is not a God ... the Antichrist (Dan. 7:9))
please give the link to the picture. There are only 4 kingdoms.
 
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Key = Bluebeard's wife. She opens the door of Judgement!
Lamp = Green Lantern. The age of Heroic Belief!
Laughing Sun = Louis XIV. The French giving Islam the Finger (reincarnation of Charles Martel).
Star = Six sided Red Star. The rebirth of Anti-Christ Soviet Russia
Crown = Imperial Presidency. Barak Obama! -- who upholds the ghostly Dredel of foreign policy decision:
--Nun: do Nothing.
--Gimel: Golf.
--Hay: Help enemies.
--Sham: Shaft allies.
The moons at the dredel's edge and apex signify the president's posture toward the constitution regardless of whether the dredel is at rest or spinning.
Fish = Kingdom of Fish. The salvation of 40 (xxxx) beached whales.
Platter = Great wedding feast when the whales shall be eaten, after which all those in Christ will be able to breath and speak underwater. The rest of whales saved!

Whole Hand = The great hand of God's spanking -- the great and awesome day of the Lord!
Feathers = The Pillow of the World's Complacency gets the stuffing beat out of it on the Day of the Lord!
 
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"The problem I see is trying to add stuff to the bible that is not there - like two more kingdoms.... to make up for changing 7 kings in Revelation 17 to 7 kingdoms."


The beast's 7 "heads" are 7 kingdoms Doug .... and each is displayed with human king "positions" .... the 7 "heads" are not 7 kings

This idea is the root of your confusion by trying to make kings out of kingdoms, and why you attempt to identify individual human kings of the ancient Roman Empire as "heads"

You are stuck with this dogma of a Euro-centric Roman, and revived Roman empire at the time of the end

And until you are willing to move away from the interpretations of the reformers of the reformation movement and later re-constructionist movements, you are not going to figure it out
 
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"The problem I see is trying to add stuff to the bible that is not there - like two more kingdoms.... to make up for changing 7 kings in Revelation 17 to 7 kingdoms."


The beast's 7 "heads" are 7 kingdoms Doug .... and each is displayed with human king "positions" .... the 7 "heads" are not 7 kings

NOT ACCORDING THE TEXT OF THE BIBLE.

The Bible SAYS "kings" in the text. Revelation 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

This idea is the root of your confusion by trying to make kings out of kingdoms, and why you attempt to identify individual human kings of the ancient Roman Empire as "heads"
Just the reverse is what you are doing. I have provided the text which is written KINGS not kingdoms.

You are stuck with this dogma of a Euro-centric Roman, and revived Roman empire at the time of the end
God has not changed the text.

And until you are willing to move away from the interpretations of the reformers of the reformation movement and later re-constructionist movements, you are not going to figure it out
Just stop. I am not saying, nor ever said the pope nor office of pope was the Antichrist, false prophet, or beast. Quote what I write, and not paint me with a false label. What's wrong with you guys? You can't support your views because the bible doesn't support them and you have to attack me personally.

The willful king in Daniel 11:36-38 cannot be a muslim, nor worshiped by muslims because his religion recognizes multiple gods on different levels. That negates the whole caliphate, muslim beast theory, by itself, because Islam is a monotheist
religion.
 
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"The problem I see is trying to add stuff to the bible that is not there - like two more kingdoms.... to make up for changing 7 kings in Revelation 17 to 7 kingdoms."

Lets go back and revisit the 5 Kingdoms, before we go into detail about how the gospel views 7 Kingdoms ... since we've understood the arguments correctly so far:

Revelations 16:10 says "5 Kingdoms", corresponding to the "5 Kingdoms" of Daniel 7 (Lion, Bear, Leopard, Night Vision, Ancient of Days). That much is established.

Now wee see "5 Kingdoms" presented again, alongside additional details attempting to define the "Seven Kings"
REVELATION 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, [and] the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

8 Sequences = 5 Kingdoms + 3 Times of "Satan and 1000 Years" (We will come back to the Seven Kings)

REVELATION 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, [and] the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
Rev. 20:2 Satan Bound 1000 Years ... Rev. 20:3-4 Satan Loosed 1000 Years ... Rev. 20:7 Satan 1000 Years Expired.

Seven Kings, Seven Heads, Seven Mountains (Revelation 17:9, tells us what the Seven Kings are stated in Revelation 17:10)

[FONT=&quot]Revelation SEALS, TRUMPETS[/FONT][FONT=&quot] EDITED AGAIN (christianforums.com/t7877685)

1st Sequence (Daniel 2:37 - Superior Place of God Created)
1st Trumpet Blown (Holy Spirit Established) ... No Seals Opened ... No Vials Poured Out

2nd Sequence (Satan Bound 1000 Years)
2nd Trumpet Blown (Spiritual Satan Introduced) ... No Seals Opened ... No Vials Poured Out

3rd Sequence (Daniel 2:38 - Inferior Place takes form when Satan falls from Heaven)
3rd Trumpet Blown (Flood of Noah (first spiritual temple destroyed) ... No Seals Opened ... No Vials Poured Out

4th Sequence (Daniel 2:39 - Brings Mankind the Rule over Earth)
4th Trumpet Blown (Abraham, creation of Homosapien (second spiritual temple established) ... 4 Seals Opened ... No Vials Poured Out

5th Sequence (Daniel 2:40 - Brings Submission, Migration Movement for Judah)
5th Trumpet Blown (Great Tribulation) ... 5th SEAL Opened ... No Vials Poured Out

6th Beginning of 3 Days of Darkness (Daniel 2:45 - Stone Cut without Hands) (Satan Loosed 1000 Years)
6th Trumpet Blown (Second Spiritual Temple Destroyed) ... 6th SEAL Opened ... No Vials Poured Out

7th End of 3 Days of Darkness
7th Trumpet, which is not Blown (Third Spiritual Temple Established) ... 7th SEAL Opened ... 1 Vial Poured Out

8th Sequence (150 Days) (Satan 1000 Years Expired, during this Sequence)
No more Trumpets ... No more Seals ... 6 Remaining Vials Poured Out[/FONT]

SO WHAT ARE THE SEVEN KINGS, SEVEN HEADS, SEVEN MOUNTAINS

Nobody knows except for the Antichrist what will occur during the 150 days of the Judah's redemption. (it may be better if things remain this way) With that being said. The first Seven Sequences have Trumpets and Seals, but the 8th Sequences does not. God pushes himself aside considerably, to attempt to remove the SEAL between this universe and the New Universe, so that we can see into the New Universe, as if we were apart of it, remember the New Universe, is very vibrant, very colorful and full of alien beings, waiting to see and welcome us into the New Universe.

The Phrase "Seven Kingdoms" is not used in Revelations, Daniel's 5th Kingdom argument is not superseded in Revelations, instead I want to briefly touch on another issue


REVELATION 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

Ten Horns which are Ten Kings, are not described as a Kingdom. This is clearly a reference to Daniel's Little Horn which identifies with the Ten Virgins, or the TEN LOST TRIBES/LAST PEOPLE, that are connected to Korah/Judah. Which the Antichrist is given the authority to reign over for 150 days. With that said. Daniel's 5th Kingdom argument is not superseded. There's no such thing as Seven Kingdoms, or 10 Kingdoms, we have to be very careful in how we address the material ... there is only Five Kingdoms. (When 153 Days begins (Peter taking up 153 Fish), mankind will begin to see into the New Universe, that is what's implied by Mankind having no kingdom, but being able to witness of the New Kingdom, in Rev. 17:12, with that said, the 150 days under the Antichrist reign will be very colorful as I've stated) (the portion of earth's population which will be living at that time will be very small in degree, it will only be whats left in the USA, as we approach closer to 7/15/2015, you will begin to understand the gravity of your situation, as I've also stated previously we have another nightly walk at City Hall tonight in the City of Philadelphia, after dark).
 
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NOT ACCORDING THE TEXT OF THE BIBLE.

The Bible SAYS "kings" in the text. Revelation 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

Just the reverse is what you are doing. I have provided the text which is written KINGS not kingdoms.


Yes, but Daniel 7 reveals that "kings" can mean kingdom. I'm not coming down on either side here, but one of our critical first steps is to determining the boundaries of word meanings. I often get the feeling that expositors try to define these boundaries in order to cut off debate, rather than with and eye for accuracy and honesty.

We find the same issue with "day". Some people like to pretend that it can have only one meaning. This is in spite of the fact that it has several literal meanings we can point to in scripture.
 
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Yes, but Daniel 7 reveals that "kings" can mean kingdom.

No, Daniel 7 does not. What Daniel 7 indicates is that beasts can represent kings and kingdoms.

17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.

The little horn emerges out of the fourth kingdom of ten end times kings, which that fourth kingdom followed the greek empire.

I'm not coming down on either side here, but one of our critical first steps is to determining the boundaries of word meanings. I often get the feeling that expositors try to define these boundaries in order to cut off debate, rather than with and eye for accuracy and honesty.

We find the same issue with "day". Some people like to pretend that it can have only one meaning. This is in spite of the fact that it has several literal meanings we can point to in scripture.

Really what you gotta do is put together a start to finish path of the arch-villian of the end times as he moves through the different codes names the bible gives him as he progresses through the different stages.

I have already shown - open and closed case - that the caliphate, muslim beast theory is wrong with Daniel 11:36-38 because Islam is monotheist and the willful king (the person in the beast stage in those verses) has a religion with multiple gods on different levels.

You are just wasting your time with the caliphate, muslim beast theory.

As far as the muslims go, they are Gog/Magog right before the 7 years begin, and after their defeat are no longer a factor.
 
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No, Daniel 7 does not. What Daniel 7 indicates is that beasts can represent kings and kingdoms.

17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.

Well, the beasts are kings. And it is also clear the beast are kingdoms. To me, this makes it perfectly reasonable and logical that they are all more or less interchangeable. If beast = king, and beast = kingdom, then it is implied that king = kingdom. This is a matter of basic logic. Certainly, the possibility of this assertion cannot be simply cast away. In practice, this means is that peices of the puzzle are less constrained that one might have initial thought.
 
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Well, the beasts are kings. And it is also clear the beast are kingdoms. To me, this makes it perfectly reasonable and logical that they are all more or less interchangeable. If beast = king, and beast = kingdom, then it is implied that king = kingdom. This is a matter of basic logic. Certainly, the possibility of this assertion cannot be simply cast away. In practice, this means is that peices of the puzzle are less constrained that one might have initial thought.

No, it is not logical what you are saying, but a mistake in logic.

I will explain with an example of why not.

A NFL team can be the Denver Broncos or the Dallas Cowboys. By your logic that would also mean that the Denver Broncos can be the Dallas Cowboys. Which is false.

By sticking to what it says in Daniel 7, beast can be a kingdom or a king.
Not that kings and kingdoms equate to each other.

In the case of the 7 kings, those are of one kingdom the fourth empire.

in Revelation 13, the first beast represents a kingdom (the fourth empire) and a king (the eighth king).

in Daniel 7, the fourth beast has one head - that one head is the eighth king. And because the little horn is on that one head - he is associated
with the eighth king. As are the ten other horns on the head in Daniel 7. Those ten horns are the ten kings in Revelation 17 that give their kingdom (the fourth empire) to the eighth king when he rules.

It just so happens that the ten kings are also of the fourth kingdom when the little horn come to power.

What that all boils down to in actual recognizable terms is the fourth empire end times is the EU. The ten kings (leaders) will be the final form of the EU government, with one leader over them the little horn. He is the 7th king, yet to come of Revelation 17.

He eventually becomes the Antichrist, king of Israel, for a stint. And then is rejected by the Jews as their king, ending his stint as the Antichrist. Is killed and brought back to life, claiming to be God, as the beast. Now he is the eighth king, because his original EU powerbase pledge their kingdom to him (as they buy into his claim of being God), which he will rule unopposed.

So the person is the 7th king of the Roman Empire and continues for a short space of 42 months as the 8th king of the Roman Empire.

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come [#7]; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.[the 42 months. as becomes the 8th king] 11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.


Now if you read Daniel 7.




19 Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet;
20 And of the ten horns that were in his head [the head is the beast and the ten kings give their kingdom to him in Revelation 17], and of the other which came up [the little horn 7th king], and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.
21 I beheld, and the same horn [after he becomes the beast the 8th king] made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;

The ten kings are associated with the 7th king - the little horn (Daniel 7).
The ten kings are associated with the 8th king - the beast (Revelation 17).

Because the little horn becomes the beast after being killed and come back to life.
 
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No, it is not logical what you are saying, but a mistake in logic.

I will explain with an example of why not.

A NFL team can be the Denver Broncos or the Dallas Cowboys. By your logic that would also mean that the Denver Broncos can be the Dallas Cowboys. Which is false.

Your example mixes identity and type; Daniel does not. This is not a trivial point.

David is King. Solomon is a king. Therefore David is Solomon. That is fallacious because it mixes type and identity. That is what your NFL team example is doing.

But verse 17 stays purely in the realm of type. An apt equivalence. x = 7; y = 7; therefore x = y.

Or to intruduce something more complex than number:

Beasts are planets; planets are lakes; therefore lakes are planets. That is to the extent planets have the nature of beasts, and planets have the nature of lakes, in that same regard lakes and beast are the same. There is simply no escape from this.

Note that this does not make your interpretation wrong. I am not arguing that. But it does mean that you haven't yet considered all the possibilities.
 
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Your example mixes identity and type; Daniel does not. This is not a trivial point.

David is King. Solomon is a king. Therefore David is Solomon. That is fallacious because it mixes type and identity. That is what your NFL team example is doing.

But verse 17 stays purely in the realm of type. An apt equivalence. x = 7; y = 7; therefore x = y.

Your logic fails because the text already says fourth kingdom - not seven kingdoms.

Note that this does not make your interpretation wrong. I am not arguing that. But it does mean that you haven't yet considered all the possibilities.
The text says fourth kingdom, not sixth or seventh kingdom or eighth kingdom. There is no other possibility.

The EU is a super-power in place. Any Caliphate kingdom has no aircraft carriers, no military industrial complex capabilities, no submarines, no technology, no intercontinental missiles, etc.
 
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Your logic fails because the text already says fourth kingdom - not seven kingdoms.

The text says fourth kingdom, not sixth or seventh kingdom or eighth kingdom. There is no other possibility.


My prophetic interpretation may be wrong, and yours may be correct, but my logic is correct: Kings may be kingdoms. I'm not saying they are (interpretively speaking), and I'm not trying to force a prophetic interpretation on you. I'm simply making an important point about terminology and meanings.

All it means is that you have to consider additional possibilities you may not yet have looked at.

For the record, I don't see any kingdoms beyond four. But the King/Kingdom point has application in Daniel's other prophecies, and in Revelation.
 
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