MArtial arts has no place in a holy Spirit filled life

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and reconcile it to .. the weapons of OUR warfare are not carnal but spiritual ... we do not war against flesh and blood .. being taught to fight by the Lord under a life in the HOLY SPIRIT ..(spirit not flesh) is learning as the lord teaches us ..how to fight in the spiritual ..never the carnal .to fight flesh with flesh will only ever bear the fruits of the flesh .
try and bear witness to the love of God to the mother whose son you just killed via an aggressive defensive act (even though it be legally justified )

martial arts has usurped a place into many christian lives.. it just has no rightful place in a Holy Spirit filled life ..for we are called to walk after the Spirit (of GOD) not in the ways of the spirit of this world .
when we use the scripture to promote the outer carnal action and we ignore the eternal aspect of the Spiritual realm ..we miss the point .
There's a place for both natural and spiritual methods in life because we have spiritual and natural needs.

Otherwise we wouldn't need to eat or sleep or shower. :D Which we won't have to do in heaven BTW.

"And my God shall supply all your need according to His riches in glory by Christ Jesus." - Philippians 4:19

"Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely; and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ." - 1 Thessalonians 5:23

There are instances where God's people were told HE would do ALL the fighting for them, but there's other instances where HE told them to fight AND HE would fight for them.

They were also told NOT to fight without HIM.
 
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Here is what I said, "Yes, I took it to God in prayer and what I received was in self defense, and in defense of my family and the innocent. By Jesus name I state this."

Sure looks like I said what the Lord said to me.

not sure what its really got to do with the topic but it does not state the lord said to me ...".....insert his words here ........."
it says ..i received..by..(not IN -i noticed that subtle change -interesting ) - but what did you receive and as the lord never contradicts his own word ..what scripture gives foundation to it ?

why so ardently in defense of something that really plainly has no part in living in obedience to the Holy Spirit ?
I hear people on here defending their own right to do this and that .. why so few speaking up for love and devotion for the lord Jesus ABOVE ALL ELSE .. forsaking all else for him ,laying down our own will to do His .. to take up the cross and follow Him .. most of what is pouted with stuck out lower lip is.
I will do what I want when I want how I want and don't you dare suggest that I cant do what I want ...
 
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There's a place for both natural and spiritual methods in life because we have spiritual and natural needs.

"And my God shall supply all your need according to His riches in glory by Christ Jesus." - Philippians 4:19

"Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely; and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ." - 1 Thessalonians 5:23

hmmm and then we are back round the mountain to .. unintentionally promoting the message that i will defend my loved ones by the arm of my flesh because God cant be trusted to -he may fail ... interesting isn't it .. every sentiment we portray has an underlying message .
i assure you in the name of the lord Jesus - every one here can stop bowing to martial arts in any form ,renounce it and never have anything more to do with it again .and it will have zero adverse effect in their life ..or they can continue to take their body., the temple of the Holy spirit and bow their head to the ground (so bowing down the temple of God inside another gods temple) and so display a disregard (rather then a loving reverence) of the taberbacle of God (his dwelling place within us his church .
 
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not sure what its really got to do with the topic but it does not state the lord said to me ...".....insert his words here ........."
it says ..i received..by..(not IN -i noticed that subtle change -interesting ) - but what did you receive and as the lord never contradicts his own word ..what scripture gives foundation to it ?

why so ardently in defense of something that really plainly has no part in living in obedience to the Holy Spirit ?
I hear people on here defending their own right to do this and that .. why so few speaking up for love and devotion for the lord Jesus ABOVE ALL ELSE .. forsaking all else for him ,laying down our own will to do His .. to take up the cross and follow Him .. most of what is pouted with stuck out lower lip is.
I will do what I want when I want how I want and don't you dare suggest that I cant do what I want ...

It is there plain as day Michael. Either you are genuinely not seeing it, or you are purposely not seeing it because it is a strong case against you.

By, in, it doesn't matter, it came via the Holy Spirit and now you are resorting to nit picking in order to try and discredit me.

Also, I did indeed give you scripture, twice now. Everytime I post, my signature is staring you right in the face as to what scripture is the foundation.

The Lord told me in self defense, defense of my family and the innocent. I am sorry that it doesn't fit into your theology, but this is what the Lord has told me. Argue with Him about it if you must, but this is what He told me.
 
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good grief .. why so important what I see lol .. relax .. if you do no wrong ..why be so bothered by it ?

.since your so intent on promoting it ..what has the told you about the things you should do in a spirit filed life .. all the gifts of the spirit etc and walking in them .
what part does martial arts play ? defense of family ? yup sure because God cant do that ?hmmmmm interesting ..
 
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good grief .. why so important what I see lol .. relax .. if you do no wrong ..why be so bothered by it ?

.since your so intent on promoting it ..what has the told you about the things you should do in a spirit filed life .. all the gifts of the spirit etc and walking in them .
what part does martial arts play ? defense of family ? yup sure because God cant do that ?hmmmmm interesting ..

Again, God will not go against someone's free will. So if someone exercises their free will and attacks my family, do you honestly want me to stand there and allow it to happen?
 
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hmmm and then we are back round the mountain to .. unintentionally promoting the message that i will defend my loved ones by the arm of my flesh because God cant be trusted to -he may fail ... interesting isn't it .. every sentiment we portray has an underlying message .
i assure you in the name of the lord Jesus - every one here can stop bowing to martial arts in any form ,renounce it and never have anything more to do with it again .and it will have zero adverse effect in their life ..or they can continue to take their body., the temple of the Holy spirit and bow their head to the ground (so bowing down the temple of God inside another gods temple) and so display a disregard (rather then a loving reverence) of the taberbacle of God (his dwelling place within us his church .
But it's in scripture, commanded by God, so it's really bowing to the wisdom of God.

Why does HE teach our hands to war if HE wants to do it without us?

Why does Jesus tell us to take up a sword?

We should be ready and willing to do anything God tells us to do.

We should learn to fight spiritual warfare and get good at it, but if the Lord tells someone to learn natural warfare, they should.

Patton, Montgomery, and Churchill were instructed by God through dreams and scripture.

:wave:
 
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But it's in scripture, commanded by God, so it's really bowing to the wisdom of God.

Why does HE teach our hands to war if HE wants to do it without us?

Why does Jesus tell us to take up a sword?

We should be ready and willing to do anything God tells us to do.

We should learn to fight spiritual warfare and get good at it, but if the Lord tells someone to learn natural warfare, they should.

Patton, Montgomery, and Churchill were instructed by God through dreams and scripture.

:wave:

Yup, And Abe slaughtered, Heb 7, and David slew thousands!^_^

I guess we gotta tell the Christians in our military, not to fight!? Wha!?
 
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Yup, And Abe slaughtered, Heb 7, and David slew thousands!^_^

I guess we gotta tell the Christians in our military, not to fight!? Wha!?
You're right. It just wouldn't work.

And if God's covenant people vacated the military, the police, government positions, etc, the whole world would be ruled by corruption.
 
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You're right. It just wouldn't work.

And if God's covenant people vacated the military, the police, government positions, etc, the whole world would be ruled by corruption.

Exactly, and many are for the right of Israel to defend, great, fine, but we in the US can't defend against home grown thugs!

The frog is a good shot, with his Kimber 45 ACP super match target gun!:D
 
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But it's in scripture, commanded by God, so it's really bowing to the wisdom of God.

Why does HE teach our hands to war if HE wants to do it without us?

Why does Jesus tell us to take up a sword?

We should be ready and willing to do anything God tells us to do.

We should learn to fight spiritual warfare and get good at it, but if the Lord tells someone to learn natural warfare, they should.

Patton, Montgomery, and Churchill were instructed by God through dreams and scripture.

:wave:

I agree with your sentiment . however martial arts does have its foundation in the flesh ..in the spirit of this world .it does not originate in Christ it has no place in a Holy Spirit filled life. when the root of a tree is rotten ..the tree will be rotten .we are to have our foundation in Christ Jesus alone . he is the rock of our foundation.not another .
(don't get caught up in the self defensive reaction of others )
it really is quite a simple topic . Any who love the Lord Jesus desire what he desires they simply don't go no no no don't take away my toys and throw a tantrum ,......well, then again, some obviously do lol.
 
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Again, God will not go against someone's free will. So if someone exercises their free will and attacks my family, do you honestly want me to stand there and allow it to happen?

again.. whats that got to do with martial arts not having any place in Holy Spirit filled life ?

things that do have a place are things like the fruits of the Spirit
tongues
prophecies
love
words of knowledge
obedience
deliverance
healing etc .
but martial arts and its associated philosophies ? zip zero .. it has no place .
 
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You're right. It just wouldn't work.

And if God's covenant people vacated the military, the police, government positions, etc, the whole world would be ruled by corruption.
well it seems a nice sentiment but it already corrupted a long time ago .

and that is exactly what is coming about .
those same believers will be put in a position where they must submit to the world or stand for the Lord Jesus ..it is mingled now but it wont stay that way.
but that's an end times topic .not this topic.
 
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So, does anyone have an answer to this question?

I find the underlying attitude remarkably fatalistic. So, by relying on anyting we are not trusting God?

It reminds me of that parable about the flood.

Once upon a time, a Christian family had moved into a new home and it began to rain causing flooding. Eventually people arrived to help evacuate the family and they said "no thanks we are waiting for God to save us"

The rain continued to fall, and eventually the levels were up to the second story of the familys home. A man in a boat came along and encouraged them to jump in the boat. The family said "no thanks, we are waiting for God to save us"

Eventually the flood waters rose up to the roof where the family had taken refuge. A helicopter came along and tried to rescue them but the family said "no thanks, we are waiting for God to save us"

The family died. When they got to heaven the father asked God "why didnt you save us?"

God said "what are you talking about? I sent those people on foot, and the man in the boat, and the helicopter"

I think its so easy to get caught up in looking for the supernatural we miss how God moves in the everyday seemingly mundane things.

As for self defense, you can bet your bottom dollar I was trusting in God to help me kick, punch, and hurt anything I could to get my attempted rapist to let go of me and get to safety. God was good and God listened.

Had I sat back and waited for the supernatural, my attempted rapist would have been my rapist.... Just saying
 
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The lord knows the number of the hairs of our head. He also has numbered our days ..do you think we can outwit the lord with a fancy chop to the neck and increase the number of our days? .. that is to trust in the arm of the flesh and not in God .......

So according to you I should have simply sat back and let my attempted rapist have his way?

Would you like me to find the statistics about how many rapes end in further violence, and possibly death at the hands of their attacker.
 
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Related to the bowing. If one goes into a criminal court in my country, they will observe that when a lawyer exits and leaves the court room they will bow to the judge. Worship has nothing to do with it, its about paying respect to those in authority.

I'm respectful to my clinical nursing manager, she is in a position of authority over me. Respect of a position does not equate worship no matter how many biblical proof texts a person may provide

What is the verse in the bible that refers to respecting authority?
 
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the only self defense i see going on here is people defending their own will without any respect for gods will what so ever .

Accordiing to your logic I should have simply not used my self defence skills and let my attempted rapist have his way? That is the conclusion I arrive at if I follow your logic to its natural progression
 
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I find the underlying attitude remarkably fatalistic. So, by relying on anyting we are not trusting God?

It reminds me of that parable about the flood.



I think its so easy to get caught up in looking for the supernatural we miss how God moves in the everyday seemingly mundane things.

As for self defense, you can bet your bottom dollar I was trusting in God to help me kick, punch, and hurt anything I could to get my attempted rapist to let go of me and get to safety. God was good and God listened.

Had I sat back and waited for the supernatural, my attempted rapist would have been my rapist.... Just saying

yup i get your message .. "don't trust God he cant help " ...

..but thats not true is it .
 
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Accordiing to your logic I should have simply not used my self defence skills and let my attempted rapist have his way? That is the conclusion I arrive at if I follow your logic to its natural progression

call upon me and I will answer you .. -God
 
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Related to the bowing. If one goes into a criminal court in my country, they will observe that when a lawyer exits and leaves the court room they will bow to the judge. Worship has nothing to do with it, its about paying respect to those in authority.

I'm respectful to my clinical nursing manager, she is in a position of authority over me. Respect of a position does not equate worship no matter how many biblical proof texts a person may provide

What is the verse in the bible that refers to respecting authority?

authority as set in place by GOD .. when was the last time God set in a place a dojo teaching philosophies of the spirit of this world as something you must by the law of the land submit to .. ? --never .
 
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