Luke 11:29 & Luke 17:25 & Luke 21:32 - This Generation!

What did Jesus mean by "this generation"?

  • His contemporary audience!

  • Generation refers to the entire "race" of Jews!

  • "This generation" refers to some distant future 40 year period!

  • I Don't Know


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back in #2 I was being facetious about literalism. The futurist says it is now because...that's what all of the Bible is about. Now.

Everyone in theology has to work out how 'all these things will be fulfilled in this generation' and yet there was an allowance for a delay. Once you've done that, most of these kinds of confusing problems are resolved.

The original expectation was that the world day of judgement would follow right after the things that would take place in Judea but there was an allowance that it could be delayed. It's that simple; it is not really complicated, but like connecting Gen 1:1 and 1:2 (how come the earth is created when it is already there formless and void) there are only a few ways that they resolve. There is not a major Biblical discrepancy in either case.
 
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Thanks! Are they trying to say that Jesus Christ has returned?
as in the day of the Lord is come

The church is only to be blameless till the day of Christ.
What is she supposed to be now if that day already came?

Philippians 1:10
/without offence -till the day of Christ

The more extreme among them do appear to assert that He has returned, but, in fairness; you'd have to ask each of them what they mean SPECIFICALLY.
 
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Luke 11:29

And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation: they seek a sign; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet.

Luke 17:25

But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation.

Luke 21:32

Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.

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JOHN 1:42 And he brought him to Jesus. And when Jesus beheld him, he said, Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas, which is by interpretation, A stone.
JONAH 3:3 So Jonah arose, and went unto Nineveh, according to the word of the LORD. Now Nineveh was an exceeding great city of three days' journey.
JONAH 3:4 And Jonah began to enter into the city a day's journey, and he cried, and said, Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown.


God gave Jonah the gift of breaking the silence in heaven to a degree. ... ... ... Jonah is given a resurrected body of some degree to testify before Nineveh for 40 days. Now we have the 40 (42) days of the Great Tribulation, in which the Antichrist is revealed alongside the "Temple Stones" which are taken away when the "3 Days of Darkness" begins.

For the Separatist Inheritors* going to the new earth ... ... ... ... how the law is handled with the antichrist for them, this is their greatest expectation. This is the next logical expansion of the Antichrist's current Kill Ratio, as a process of the gospel. Suicide of the sinful was connected to Jonah, the same way suicide of the sinful is connected to the Antichrist, this is the association that is being made.
 
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Danoh said in post 11:

And Israel is still without its Temple.

That's right.

And Revelation 11:1-2, Matthew 24:15, Daniel 11:31,36, and 2 Thessalonians 2:4 require that there will be a 3rd Jewish temple in the earthly Jerusalem during the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24. This 3rd temple will coexist with the church like the 2nd temple did (Luke 24:53, Acts 2:46, Acts 22:17), and like the temple building in heaven does (Revelation 11:19). The 3rd temple could be built on Jerusalem's Temple Mount by the ultra-Orthodox Jews, after they (or great earthquakes) clear the site by destroying the Muslim Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa Mosque. Shortly after they build the temple, the Antichrist could attack and defeat them, and a false Messiah leading them (Daniel 11:22).

Then the Antichrist could "cut" a peace treaty with them and their false "Messiah" (Daniel 9:26a, Daniel 11:23a), permitting them to keep the temple, and to continue to (mistakenly) perform the daily Mosaic animal sacrifices in front of it, for at least 7 more years (Daniel 9:27a), so long as they give up the outer court of the temple (Revelation 11:2a) to the Muslims, so that the Muslims can rebuild the Al Aqsa Mosque on the southern end of the Temple Mount and resume worship there. The ultra-Orthodox Jews could grudgingly agree to this, if the only other option is for them to lose the temple entirely. They could then build a high wall between the temple and the mosque, in order to keep the temple from being "defiled".

But then, only some 3.5 years after making the peace treaty, the Antichrist will break the treaty, attack the temple, stop the daily Mosaic animal sacrifices, place the abomination of desolation (possibly a standing, android image of the Antichrist) in the holy place (the inner sanctum) of the temple (Daniel 9:27b, Daniel 11:31, Matthew 24:15), and then sit himself (at least one time) in the temple and proclaim himself God (2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36). Thus could begin the Antichrist's literal, 3.5-year Luciferian (Satanic) worldwide reign of terror (Revelation 13:4-18, Revelation 12:9; 2 Thessalonians 2:9).

At the very end of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, the Antichrist (Daniel 11:45) and the world's armies will pillage Jerusalem right before Jesus' 2nd coming (Zechariah 14:2-21). And at the 2nd coming, there will be tremendous earth changes in the vicinity of Jerusalem (Zechariah 14:4-5). These events could result in all of Jerusalem's structures, including the 3rd temple and the Wailing Wall (also called the Western Wall), being broken down so that not one stone will be left on another (Luke 19:44, Matthew 24:2). Then the returned Jesus (Zechariah 14:4, Acts 1:11-12) will rebuild Jerusalem and make it the capital of the world (Zechariah 14:8-19, Micah 4:1-4). He will also build a 4th temple there (Zechariah 14:20-21, Zechariah 6:12-13). It will serve a similar function for the church during the future millennium (of Revelation 20:4-6) as the 2nd temple served for the church in the 1st century AD (Luke 24:53, Acts 2:46, Acts 22:17), and as the temple building in heaven (Revelation 11:19) serves for those in heaven (Revelation 7:15).

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One reason the 3rd Jewish temple of Revelation 11:1-2, Matthew 24:15, Daniel 11:31,36, and 2 Thessalonians 2:4 hasn't been built yet is the Israeli government has been very careful to protect the Muslim Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa Mosque ever since Israel took military control of the Temple Mount back in 1967. For the Israeli government knows that if the ultra-Orthodox Jews in Israel were to destroy these buildings (the 3rd-holiest sites in Islam) in order to clear the Temple Mount for a 3rd Jewish temple, this could mean the end of the current state of Israel. For enraged Muslim armies and militias could attack Israel en masse in an all-out jihad and defeat it completely.

While the ultra-Orthodox Jews are no doubt aware of this danger, they believe that the 3rd temple must nonetheless be built exactly where the prior temples stood: right over the Rock of Sacrifice (the Rock of the Dome of the Rock) on which Abraham almost sacrificed Isaac. And the ultra-Orthodox Jews could be brought to the point where they will even desire to see the end of the current, secular state of Israel, believing that only in its demise will God make it possible for them to establish a new, perfectly ultra-Orthodox, theocratic city-state of (what they could call ) "the True Israel". They could establish this within the walled Old City of Jerusalem (which contains the Temple Mount), and build on the Temple Mount a 3rd Jewish temple before which they can restart the daily Mosaic animal sacrifices, and perfectly keep every jot and tittle of the Mosaic law, and banish every non-kosher person and thing from ever entering within Old Jerusalem's "Holy walls".

(This could point to another reason that the current, secular government of Israel doesn't want to let the ultra-Orthodox Jews build a 3rd temple: out of fear that the secular authority of the Israeli government could subsequently get undermined. For once temple practices resumed and a priesthood came into power, a creep toward theocracy could ensue in Israel, where priests and rabbis would become powerful enough to replace the secular leaders in Israel. So the secular leaders could want to simply place a hold on any drift in that direction by forbidding the building of a 3rd temple.)

Something which could help to bring the ultra-Orthodox Jews to the point of desiring to see the end of the current, secular state of Israel would be them getting squeezed out of their settlements in "Samaria and Judaea" (also called the "West Bank"), and in eastern Jerusalem, as part of a peace deal handing these areas over to a Palestinian state. (Any such handover won't happen without a removal of Netanyahu from power, possibly by assassination.) For the ultra-Orthodox Jews (rightly) see Samaria, Judaea, and Jerusalem as the historically most important and holy parts of the land promised by God to Israel since the time of Abraham (Exodus 32:13). So when they start to get squeezed out of these areas, in a rage they could suddenly mass in their tens of thousands, armed with machine guns (which they are allowed to have for self-defense against the Palestinians). And led by 3 huge bulldozers, they could march as a great army to the Old City of Jerusalem, and go up onto the Temple Mount and completely destroy the Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa Mosque.

(A fear of the ultra-Orthodox Jews resorting to violence could be one of the reasons that the Israeli government refuses to hinder Jewish settlement activity in Samaria, Judaea, and eastern Jerusalem. It could also be one of the reasons that the U.S. government has been convinced by Israel to back off from requiring any such hindrance. But if down the road, pressure from the Arab masses for a Palestinian state becomes so extreme that it begins to threaten to overthrow U.S. hegemony over the Arab world, the U.S. could decide to force Israel to surrender all of the Jewish settlements to a Palestinian state.)

Besides getting squeezed out of their settlements at some point in our future, something else which could help to tip the scales toward the ultra-Orthodox Jews in Israel becoming violent would be the rising up of a miracle-working, ultra-Orthodox Jewish false "Messiah" (cf. Matthew 24:24), who could tell the ultra-Orthodox Jews something like:

"God says that now is the time for us to take back religious control of the Holy Temple Mount, and rid it of all the detestable shrines which the Muslims have placed upon it. We are to sanctify it in the name of our God, so that we might rebuild His Holy Temple there. Listen, my brethren, fear not the Muslims' reaction when we retake religious control of the Holy Temple Mount. For God Himself is with us. He will protect us perfectly. Have I not shown you His mighty Power working through Me? Fear not any men, but fear only our Mighty God, who now commands us to rebuild His Holy Temple at the place which He determined from the time of our Father Abraham. Our God gave us back the Holy Temple Mount way back in 1967 C.E. But what have we done with it over all the time since then? Nothing! How can this be? How can we have allowed some merely-secular, so-called 'Israeli' government invented by sinful men to keep us, God's holy people, from even setting foot back on the Temple Mount, and to let it remain under the religious control of the vile Muslims? Let us all rise up now, my brethren! Let us all rise up, in the name of our God, and let us do mighty exploits to the Glory of His Holy Name!"

With such rhetoric, accompanied by his working of amazing miracles (cf. Matthew 24:24), a false ultra-Orthodox Jewish "Messiah" in Israel could whip up the ultra-Orthodox Jews there into a religious frenzy, so that they will all with great zeal, and without any fear, march in their tens of thousands upon the Temple Mount, and take total control of it, and then rejoice there and dance and sing holy hymns to God "for His great and mighty Victory".

Something else which could help tip the scales toward the ultra-Orthodox Jews in Israel becoming violent is the occurrence of a series of great earthquakes in Jerusalem which will severely damage the Dome of the Rock and Al Aqsa Mosque, to the point where they will stop being used. For the ultra-Orthodox Jews could see this as (in their words) "Clearly a portent from God that he will no longer allow Muslims to trample His Holy Mountain. We must now reassert total Jewish control over it and rebuild His Holy Temple there".

Something else which could help tip the scales toward the ultra-Orthodox Jews in Israel becoming violent is their finding out the location of the Ark of the Covenant, which could be buried under an ancient ruined fort in the desert east of Jerusalem. The Copper Scroll could contain the clues as to where the Ark is buried in the fort (e.g. "under the third step"). The Ark could have been located there already with ground-penetrating radar by some non-religious treasure hunters, but the Israeli government could be holding up a digging permit to retrieve the Ark, because the government is afraid that the ultra-Orthodox Jews could see a retrieval of the Ark as (in their words) "An unmistakable sign from God that now is the time for us to rebuild His Holy Temple". So the Israeli government has a motive to keep the location of the buried Ark top secret.

Fearing that some ultra-Orthodox Jews could nonetheless somehow discover the top secret location of the buried Ark, and go there in the dead of night and dig it up without a permit from, or any notification to, the Israeli government, the government could have placed armed guards and surveillance cameras to watch over the buried Ark's location day and night.

But if the buried Ark's location is found out by some ultra-Orthodox Jews, they could round up tens of thousands of their fellows, all armed with machine guns, and they could suddenly swarm the location, overwhelm any armed guards there, and hold off any subsequently-arrived IDF troops long enough to get the Ark out of the ground. Once it is out and the IDF troops actually see it, it is unlikely that they are going to try to stop the ultra-Orthodox Jews from parading it to the Temple Mount; they will be in such awe.

Also, once the ultra-Orthodox Jews make it to the Temple Mount and begin completely destroying the Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa Mosque, it is unlikely that the IDF troops are going to open fire, whether with lead bullets or rubber bullets, on their fellow Jews, slaughtering or injuring hundreds or thousands of them. Also, increasing numbers of IDF officers are very religious, so they could order their troops to stand down. And if some non-religious officers convince their troops to employ tear gas in an attempt to simply disperse the ultra-Orthodox Jews without harming them, this could be thwarted by the ultra-Orthodox Jews having brought along gas masks (which, ironically, could have been issued to them by the Israeli government itself, back when there was a fear that Saddam Hussein would send Scud missiles into Israel with chemical-weapons payloads).

So the Israeli government could be unable to prevent the complete destruction of the Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa Mosque at the hands of the ultra-Orthodox Jews. And so the Israeli government could be unable to prevent the subsequent, retaliatory destruction of the state of Israel at the hands of enraged Muslim armies and militias.
 
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Dave Watchman said in post 12:

"Do you not know that you are God's temple and that God's Spirit dwells in you?

Amen (1 Corinthians 3:16).

Yet whereas the church as a whole is indeed a figurative temple building (Ephesians 2:21), it isn't the only temple of God. For it coexisted with the literal, 2nd temple building which was in Jerusalem in the 1st century AD (Luke 24:53, Acts 2:46, Acts 22:17), just as the church coexisted, and still coexists today, with the literal temple building in heaven (Revelation 11:19), and with the temple of Jesus' individual human body (John 2:21), and with the temple of every Christian's individual human body (1 Corinthians 6:19). And if the church-as-a-whole temple can currently coexist with all of these other temples of God, it will be able to coexist with the future, 3rd-earthly-literal temple building which Revelation 11:1-2, Matthew 24:15, Daniel 11:31,36, and 2 Thessalonians 2:4 show will exist in Jerusalem during the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24. This 3rd temple building will be accepted by God as a valid temple, just as the 2nd temple building was accepted by God as a valid temple, even at the time of Jesus' first coming (Matthew 23:21), and even at the time of the early church (Luke 24:53, Acts 2:46, Acts 22:17).

For the ultra-Orthodox Jews will build the 3rd temple, and they will offer animal sacrifices in front of it, under the auspices of the Old Covenant Mosaic law, which remains holy before God (Romans 7:12). That is why God still keeps an ark of the Old Covenant Mosaic law in his temple building in heaven (Revelation 11:19), and why it was possible for the apostle Paul one time to involve himself with the 2nd temple's Old Covenant Mosaic law practices without him committing sin (Acts 21:20-26; 1 Corinthians 9:20). This isn't to say that the Jesus-denying motives of the ultra-Orthodox Jews will be holy before God, but that the Old-Covenant-Mosaic-law 3rd temple in itself and its animal sacrifices in themselves will be holy before God, because the Old Covenant Mosaic law in itself remains holy before God (Romans 7:12), even though its letter is no longer meant to be practiced by people (Romans 7:6), because the New Covenant has been inaugurated by Jesus and his once-for-all-time sacrifice on the Cross for our sins (Hebrews 10:1-23, Matthew 26:28).
 
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Luke 11:29

And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation: they seek a sign; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet.

Luke 17:25

But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation.

Luke 21:32

Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.

The last, THIS GENERATION, is probably a future generation, unlike the previous.
 
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As originally spoken it is not future. It is the critical generation from 30-70; the 40 years should ring a bell from Israel's past. However, the end of the world that was said to come right after the upheaval of that generation (Mt24:19) was allowed to be delayed. I don't know any other way of resolving what Mt 24 etc says.

This was done 2 ways: the expression 'only the Father knows' and
2, the parable of the attentive servants in Mk 13, where there are 4 options.

Mt 24A is way too present, in language, in contextual momentum from the previous 3 chapters, in people and places sited, to be put off to the distant future. The DofJ and the end of the world have some similar features, which explain why 24B+ loops back and makes similar warnings.

But obviously the end of the world and the day of judgement of the whole world have been delayed.
 
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No, nah, and nope.

Rather, proper narrative...

So what is it, Danoh,

"wicked race"

"wicked age"

or

"wicked generation"?

Look up Matt. 12:39,45, 16:4; Luke 11:29 to see what I am talking about!

The answer is confirmed here:

Surely there shall not one of these men of this evil generation see that good land, which I sware to give unto your fathers,

Deut. 1:35
 
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back in #2 I was being facetious about literalism. The futurist says it is now because...that's what all of the Bible is about. Now.

Everyone in theology has to work out how 'all these things will be fulfilled in this generation' and yet there was an allowance for a delay. Once you've done that, most of these kinds of confusing problems are resolved.

The original expectation was that the world day of judgement would follow right after the things that would take place in Judea but there was an allowance that it could be delayed. It's that simple; it is not really complicated, but like connecting Gen 1:1 and 1:2 (how come the earth is created when it is already there formless and void) there are only a few ways that they resolve. There is not a major Biblical discrepancy in either case.

:thumbsup: Gotcha!
 
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As originally spoken it is not future. It is the critical generation from 30-70; the 40 years should ring a bell from Israel's past. However, the end of the world that was said to come right after the upheaval of that generation (Mt24:19) was allowed to be delayed. I don't know any other way of resolving what Mt 24 etc says.

This was done 2 ways: the expression 'only the Father knows' and
2, the parable of the attentive servants in Mk 13, where there are 4 options.

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(theguardian.com/science/2009/apr/23/indus-civilisation-language-symbols)

1
. Utsuro-bona (Left) - Declares that the Life Span of the Antichrist represents the final stage of the Fig Tree (The Tribes of Revelations).
2. Mississippi River Valley Map (Center) - Discovered in the USA, declares that the "Temple Stones" of the Great Tribulation will appear in the "Heart of Judah", to identify with Zion/Zoar, the Separatist Inheritance* denoted to Judah
3. Mysterious Language (Right) - Declares that the "Wicked Man (Wicked Generation)" which is Judah. Will be given the Antichrist, the Antichrist will be bestowed to the "Heart of Judah" to redeem them.

MATTHEW 21:18 Now in the morning as he returned into the city, he hungered.
MATTHEW 21:19 And when he saw a fig tree in the way, he came to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said unto it, Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever. And presently the fig tree withered away.
MATTHEW 24:32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer [is] nigh:

1. Morning = Star Wormwood
2. Leaves of the Fig Tree Fall = Star Wormwood being given the Tribes, when the Heavenly Temple is cast into the earth, "Temple Stones" revealed.

The "Wicked Generation", that is judged of Jonah. This is the Antichrist identifying with the "Heart of Judah". The totality of the tribes is complicated. Simplifying the position. When the Tribes reach 144,000 they are uniformed, unlike the previous, "Accounting of the Tribes in the Gospel", they are essentially "hewed down". So the very base of the Tree in the center diagram, looks like a "Hewed Down Tree". That is the parable of the "Fig Tree".
 
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Sometimes a generation is five years, and age group. For youth groups. But since we live at most to 120 years, that is the maximum time of a generation.

A generation in the bible is explicitly 40 years though.

Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness: when your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years. Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.

Hebrews 3:7-10

So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations.

Matthew 1:17.

During the reign of Hezekiah, Judah was carried away into Babylon in 586 BCE. Christ was born around 1 CE.

586 (BCE) divided by 14 (generations) = 41 years.
 
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A generation in the bible is explicitly 40 years though.

Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness: when your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years. Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.

Hebrews 3:7-10

So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations.

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(Left: Miniatura dal Liber divinorum operum di Ildegarda di Bingen: Book of Divine Works)

14th Tribe of Benjamin (Genealogy of the Sons of Man/Angels on Earth ... Necessary for Star Wormwood)

JOSHUA 18:28 And Zelah, Eleph, and Jebusi, which [is] Jerusalem, Gibeath, [and] Kirjath; fourteen cities with their villages. This [is] the inheritance of the children of Benjamin according to their families.

Abraham to David - Star Wormwood's Appearance from the 14th Tribe of Benjamin
NUMBERS 26:10 And the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed them up together with Korah, when that company died, what time the fire devoured two hundred and fifty men: and they became a sign.
NUMBERS 26:37 These [are] the families of the sons of Ephraim according to those that were numbered of them, thirty and two thousand and five hundred. These [are] the sons of Joseph after their families.

In, Moses's day after Aaron was removed from the Levites, Korah/Judah wanted to kill Aaron for its sin, instead God kills a portion of Korah, and places Aaron under the authority of Korah/Judah (num. 16:16 1Chron 9:19-20), this would last until Christ baptised Peter, to give Aaron the title of Head of the Priesthood (Aaron was rebuked at the crucifixion, when its title of Head of the Tribes was given to Judah (crown given to Christ by the Romans). (Joseph or Fire are other names for Star Wormwood). (Moses completes the conviction of Aaron, Aaron and Dan, involuntary mass murder of Moses as a result of their preference for pleasure in this kind of sin).

David to Babylon - Star Wormwood's Appearance from the 14th Tribe of Benjamin

OBADIAH 1:18 And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be [any] remaining of the house of Esau; for the LORD hath spoken [it].
OBADIAH 1:19 And [they of] the south shall possess the mount of Esau; and [they of] the plain the Philistines: and they shall possess the fields of Ephraim, and the fields of Samaria: and Benjamin [shall possess] Gilead.

In, David's day Saul drives out the Jews from canaan (series of lands beyond the jordan) and is over taken of the philistines. David drives out the philistines, and then brings the jews to jerusalem. Obadiah 1:18 says Joseph will over take Canaan and deliver it, while Obediah 1:19 says the philistines will drive the jews from Canaan and overtake it. This is a description of David, in the time of David Star Wormwood was seen as Goliath (which was a representative of Joseph, which because of Joseph David had the title of "Head of the Tribes", Samuel told Saul he had this title to try his faith, Saul was in sin).

Babylon to Christ - Star Wormwood's Neglected Appearance from the 14th Tribe of Benjamin

LUKE 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed ) the son of Joseph, which was [the son] of Heli,
LUKE 9:54 And when his disciples James and John saw [this], they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?

In, Jesus's day the Apostles wanted to know if Jesus was going to bring down fire of Star Wormwood like Moses's had done in his day. The Apostles don't say "Moses and Elias", which Jesus had already revealed ... ... ... ... the apostles instead say "Elias". They wanted Jesus to fulfill the book of revelations, where the "Two Witnesses" complete the gospel by being slain, because they knew Jesus was going to be crucified. Jesus rebukes them, in this capacity, declaring in so many words in the New Testament, that Moses would be resurrected to complete the gospel's program.

"12,000 Days of Joseph in Revelations" is about 32 years stated in Luke 3:23, when the Antichrist/Moses has "Benjamin" removed from him, so that he can reign under "Joseph" as King. The New Testament does state that like Jonah the Antichrist will be glorified in some way during the Great Tribulation, with some version of the resurrected body. As true as this maybe, the fact is God does not intend the Antichrist to reign as King during Judah's reconciliation, when they are supposed to migrate to the United States of America.

In terms of Lifespan, or in terms of the Antichrist, the ascension process would not take place without this component ... ... ... ... suicide was very common with Jonah, and suicide is very common with the Antichrist. The people facing the end of their lives, because as a people or as a race, or as a genetic component, their applicability has expired as a result of generational sin. There is considerable evidence the value of human life is inconsequential. As I've stated if the Antichrist claims he can kill 10 to 20 thousand people per month, ethnic or otherwise, just by walking around outside, or after dark. Then he is not baring false witnesses if we misunderstood the gospel in the smallest degree. Nonetheless we are closer no to July 15, 2015.

Joseph is the 70th name in Luke Genealogy if you count backwards to forwards in the genealogy, offhand. When the 70th Angel of Daniel is slain, the gospel program is terminated. Moses comes as an angel for the 150 Days of Judah, although he is puppeteered as an alien, anyway this is all circumstantial, we will save as much as the potential as possible, both now, when the reign of the Antichrist is more spiritual, and also then when the reign of the Antichrist becomes more earthly. (We have a 10 hour walk, I will go to the Margaret Orthodox Subway Station then I will return passing about City Hall, maybe I will instead of thursday or friday do this tomorrow ... to furnish myself with a more complete understanding of the cleanings, also based on the level of force, which I intend to reveal to the faithful, sort to speak, but we do not know the identity of the Antichrist).

(Whats the difference between Moses and Abraham or why does God give preference to Moses over Abraham in the revealing of Star Wormwood from the Tribe of Benjamin ... ... ... God told Abraham I will give you the stars, but God told Moses not to cross the Jordan because I will not give you that covenant ... ... ... that is the difference. Remember, Benjamin was in Man's Footprint at some point in times past, it is not now, not since Solomon, when the Lost Tribes Took Place through Jeroboam or Judah, when God removed a series of Tribes from Man's Foot print. So Abraham was of Benjamin in that sense, but if we read closer in the gospel, Abraham was not chosen over Moses because of the heavenly salvation program) (God compares Abraham to Lazarus and the Richman, remember the Holy Spirit saves "Dead Souls", not actively saving "Living Souls in the Flesh" like the Holy Ghost, and if we read into that parable, then Abraham was saved under Benjamin in the Old Testament for the New Universe, but not under Benjamin for the Heavenly Salvation)
 
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