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10 Jubilee Cycles = 490 years and looks like this; 49+49+49+49+49+49+49+49+49+49 = 490.

10 Jubilee Cycles also = "70 weeks" of years.

( I learned this from a nice guy named Larry Wilson )

The trouble with this is that a jubilee is 50 years, not 49. The next cycle would not begin until after the jubilee or the 50th year. So ten jubilee's would = 500 years.

7 X 70 = 490 years. That's 70 shemitah's.



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The trouble with this is that a jubilee is 50 years, not 49. The next cycle would not begin until after the jubilee or the 50th year. So ten jubilee's would = 500 years.

7 X 70 = 490 years. That's 70 shemitah's.



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rollinTHUNDER,

Shabbat Shalom

You are correct, a jubilee is 50 years but listen carefully: the 50th Jubilee year AND year 1 of the next Jubilee Cycle are the SAME year.
I know it's confusing but watch the last 12 minutes of the video, start it at 18:30.

49+49+49+49+49+49+49+49+49+49 = 490 is the only way it can work and 10 Jubilee Cycles will = "70 weeks" of years.

I'm not sure about the good Rabbi.

Leviticus 25 (ESV)
The Sabbath Year

25 The Lord spoke to Moses on Mount Sinai, saying,
2 “Speak to the people of Israel and say to them,
When you come into the land that I give you,
the land shall keep a Sabbath to the Lord.​

This reads different to me than The Fourth Commandment.

This seems to have a stipulation: "When you come into the land that I give you".

Even Orthodox Rabbis seem to note the Sabbatical year is binding by biblical law only when the majority of Jews live in the land of Israel.


The Shemitah (Jewish Sabbath year) was an obligation given specifically and exclusively to the nation of Israel, and there is no biblical support whatsoever for the idea that God would either require any other nation to observe the Shemitah year or that He would impose a Shemitah-type judgment according to a seven-year cycle on any nation, including Israel itself.
Last Edit: Jan 11, 2015 at 12:07pm by griobhtha (from a poster on another forum)


But other Orthodox Rabbis have tried to find a dispensation by noting that according to many authorities the Sabbatical year is, like the jubilee year, binding by biblical law only when the majority of Jews live in the land of Israel.

(These laws do not apply to Jewish owned farms outside Israel.)

The laws are now rabbinic [i.e., bearing only the authority of rabbinic legislation, not biblical law], so that it is easier to find a dispensation.
Moreover, there is considerable doubt whether the present identification of Sabbatical years is correct and whether the count begins again on the jubilee year, the fiftieth, or on the next year, the fifty-first after the previous cycle.
http://www.myjewishl...lee_Years.shtml
 
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498 Years in View (1517, 1917, 1966, 2015)

GENESIS 11:9 Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.

GENESIS 11:10 These [are] the generations of Shem: Shem [was] an hundred years old, and begat Arphaxad two years after the flood:
GENESIS 11:11 And Shem lived after he begat Arphaxad five hundred years, and begat sons and daughters.


1. Destruction of Babel 498 Years, relative to.
2. Destruction of Twin Towers in NYC in the mist of 498 Years.

1. Ottoman Turks an Islamic Antichistian Expansionist Empire
2. War on Terrorism involving Islamic Expansionists of the Islamic State

It was the fact that an Islamic Antichristian Expansionist Empire took control over Jerusalem, which may of originally compelled Judah Ben Samuel to attempt to unify the significance as a marker for the "Second Flood of Fire". Since we are viewing this association of 498 Years as a parallel between some portion of the, "First Flood of Noah", marking the beginning of the "Second Flood of Fire, Star Wormwood".

MATTHEW 24:37 But as the days of Noe [were], so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
MATTHEW 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
MATTHEW 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

What, What, What? So there is a parallel between the events of the "Second Flood of Star Wormwood", and the "First Flood of Noah"? This Parallel is 498 Years. Which consists of Eight Jubilees, and Two "sets of 49 years".

Coming Close to 498 Years with the Exodus's Description

430 Years
EXODUS 12:41 And it came to pass at the end of the four hundred and thirty years, even the selfsame day it came to pass, that all the hosts of the LORD went out from the land of Egypt.

40 Years (470 Years Total So Far)
EXODUS 7:7 And Moses [was] fourscore years old, and Aaron fourscore and three years old, when they spake unto Pharaoh.
JOSHUA 14:7 Forty years old [was] I when Moses the servant of the LORD sent me from Kadeshbarnea to espy out the land; and I brought him word again as [it was] in mine heart.

(Moses was 80 Years old when they left Rameses, Egypt ... 2 to 3 years later, they cross the Nile River ... ... ... Moses is 120 Years old when he dies, shortly after reaching the Jordan River ... ... ... Moses sets up Joshua to reign over the Hebrews ... ... ... Joshua is recounting the 40 Years of the Exodus which is the last 40 Years of Moses's Life) (Joshua is not named as Moses's Son, but we do know Moses could of returned to egypt with a hebrew child, to rebuke the egyptians when he began to take them out of egypt)

38 Years (508 Total So Far, So How did we do?)
JOSHUA 14:7 Forty years old [was] I when Moses the servant of the LORD sent me from Kadeshbarnea to espy out the land; and I brought him word again as [it was] in mine heart.
DEUTERONOMY 2:14 And the space in which we came from Kadeshbarnea, until we were come over the brook Zered, [was] thirty and eight years; until all the generation of the men of war were wasted out from among the host, as the LORD sware unto them.

(Looks like we went over about 10 Years ... 508 - 498 = 10 Years ... so what to do?)

10 Years Taken Away (498 Total)
JOSHUA 4:19 And the people came up out of Jordan on the tenth [day] of the first month, and encamped in Gilgal, in the east border of Jericho.
JOSHUA 6:26 And Joshua adjured [them] at that time, saying, Cursed [be] the man before the LORD, that riseth up and buildeth this city Jericho: he shall lay the foundation thereof in his firstborn, and in his youngest [son] shall he set up the gates of it.

Joshua took Jericho before, he left Kadeshbarnea to go to the Brook Zered. Joshua says, cursed be the first born, because he shall be the division. Shem (A name that can mean "passover"), was the firstborn of Noah, where we've identified a 498 Year Division. So Joshua was declaring that in my father's name, I will bring the division to Canaan.

(Thursday on our nightly walk to City Hall in the City of Philadelphia, the public was told about the mass gather of people to protest, "Genetic Dan" deaths, but secretly there was several trailers performing a clean up against the watchful eyes of the media, with that said, I'd like to think of this as the possible next level approaching 7/15/2015 ... we will do this again soon)
 
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I dont think knowing the continued year of Jubliee is either wrong or complicated. Why would the 7 year cycle stop just because we are in the new covenant. Life goes on, and this is God's principle for life, renewal, etc.

But back to the timelines as I'm hoping there is some definitive answer to when the shemitah years are in this time frame.

The 'shemitah' is part of the old Sabbath system. It was fulfilled in Christ, and should not be projected beyond Christ!

Find the truth about the shemitah here:
 
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Waiting now to see how long it takes for all the 'Christians' here to start denigrating Jews and Judaism.

Since the Talmud contains derogatory statements about Christ, it cannot be an adequate reflection of the Old Testament.

It is based on the commentary of Rabbis, instead of God's Word.

This is the opinion of Jacob Prasch, who is a Messianic Jew.

If we truly love the Jewish people, we need to tell them the truth.

Salvation only comes through Jesus Christ.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDtkA9nYpZ8

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The 'shemitah' is part of the old Sabbath system. It was fulfilled in Christ, and should not be projected beyond Christ!

Find the truth about the shemitah here:

Beginning -- LUKE 4:5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.
End -- MARK 16:2 And very early in the morning the first [day] of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.
MARK 16:3 And they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the sepulchre?

Joseph Ben Samuel, uses 4 dates that parallel Daniel's Figures, were we also find descriptions of the "Kingdoms". He choose the Ottoman Empire, 498 Years of Shem later, we reach the Great Tribulation of the "Temple Stones".

Now, Jesus saw all the Kingdoms of the World, and the World at that time did not have Jewish people spread about it. But by the time Jesus was crucified, remember they marched Jesus just outside of Jerusalem, when they did that, they were spread outside into the "World". Then when the "Temple Stone" of Jesus's Tomb was rolled away, this paralleled the 498 year division of Shem, in days. We can say days, but we really don't have anything concrete to tie this into days, more or less.

From 2015 A.D., we have 292 Set of 7 Sabbaticals which brings us to 29 B.C.

DANIEL 12:11 And from the time [that] the daily [sacrifice] shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, [there shall be] a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Jesus was taken away, and placed above the "Kingdoms", then Jesus was crucified. So, we see 292 in the parable of Daniel, not a direct correspondence, but its enough to remove reasonable doubt from the interpretation. ... ... ... ... Anyway, 29 B.C. is before Jesus, but the more important issue is there appears to be some wiggle room if you want to connect the sabbath to when Jesus rose above the "Kingdoms" as opposed to rising out of the tomb.
 
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The original Genesis calendar isn't governed by the moon even though scripture supports the act. If it wasn't for the now known calculations for the timing of the new moons, so-called Israel would have to depend on someone in authority declaring the new moons. The whole nation would be in chaos because they had to set their clocks, sort a speak, to the authorities. That's folly.
 
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The 'shemitah' is part of the old Sabbath system. It was fulfilled in Christ, and should not be projected beyond Christ!

Find the truth about the shemitah here:

Brother Gideon,

The Atonement Clock became so popular that Amazon ran out of them.

Hopefully, they will be restocked soon.

I have given out quite a few copies to my fellow believers.

It is one of those books that every Christian should read.

Thanks again, for recommending this powerful little book.


 
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Hello Gideon,

Why would I take your word on that without any scripture to back it up?

Here is the scripture which shows it was fulfilled in Christ, because He said it was.

Look at Luke 4:19, 4:21.



Luk 4:17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,

Luk 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

Luk 4:19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

Luk 4:20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.
Luk 4:21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.


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Hello Gideon,

Why would I take your word on that without any scripture to back it up?

What BaBerean said in the previous post. Luke 4:17-21 is the only occasion in the New Testament where the Yovel (Jubilee) is mentioned. The date he said these words was the exact 30th Jubilee from when Moses instituted the system. Yes, the Shemitah and Yovel have been tracked from Moses to the Cross. Get the book bro, and you'll find it packed with scripture. :)
 
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Brother Gideon,

The Atonement Clock
became so popular that Amazon ran out of them.

Hopefully, they will be restocked soon.

I have given out quite a few copies to my fellow believers.

It is one of those books that every Christian should read.

Thanks again, for recommending this powerful little book.

Hi BABerean,
Did you know that there is now a Scholars Edition of the Atonement Clock? It is much larger and more detailed. You should have got a coupon number for a good discount price. If not, just PM me and I'll get you one.
Get it here: Amazon doesn't have the 'Scholars Edition'
 
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Hi BABerean,
Did you know that there is now a Scholars Edition of the Atonement Clock? It is much larger and more detailed. You should have got a coupon number for a good discount price. If not, just PM me and I'll get you one.
Get it here: Amazon doesn't have the 'Scholars Edition'

Yes, but thanks for the notice.

A lady friend of mine just ordered a copy of the new version.

I have a friend who is a mechanical engineer and a deacon in his church.

He returned the copy of the first version that I let him borrow, a couple of weeks ago.

When he handed the book back to me, he said "Wow!".

I thought that was a perfect response to the book.

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The Shemitah (Jewish Sabbath year) was an obligation given specifically and exclusively to the nation of Israel, and there is no biblical support whatsoever for the idea that God would either require any other nation to observe the Shemitah year or that He would impose a Shemitah-type judgment according to a seven-year cycle on any nation, including Israel itself.
Last Edit: Jan 11, 2015 at 12:07pm by griobhtha (from a poster on another forum)

Hi Dave, actually there will be to an extent. In Zechariah 14, all nations will be required to send representatives (as I interpret it) to the feast of tablernacles which takes place in the fall every 7 years. Plus, every year.

16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
 
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Sept 13. 2015 = end of the Hebrew year. There is also a partial solar eclipse.

September 13 is also the end of the Russian Orthodox Church year.
Their church year ends on August 31 every year... but they still use
the old Julian calendar [13 days behind the modern Gregorian calendar]
so Sept 1 Julian/Sept 14 Gregorian is always their religious New Year.

It is quite "coincidental" the Hebrew year ends on the same day this year.

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The 'shemitah' is part of the old Sabbath system. It was fulfilled in Christ, and should not be projected beyond Christ!


The Russian Orthodox Church which has existed for over a thousand years...
receiving its religious mandate from ancient Christian Byzantium... has fixed
September 1 Julian, which is September 14 Gregorian, as its new year which
mimics the Hebrew calendar. The ROC also counts its day from sundown to
sundown like ancient Israel.


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I knew it couldn't last. I really was enjoying reading the discussion. :doh:

Sorry for pouring cold water. The Shemitah is the "year of release" when slaves were set free every 7 years. It pre-figures Jesus words, "Whom the Son sets free, shall be free indeed!" (John 8:36) I enjoy hearing how Jesus fulfilled prophecy.
 
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