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... Why is it you cannot see that this is the only unforgivable sin?
Simply because the LORD Jesus Christ said otherwise. Absent you showing scripture proving this false idea, I'll side with Jesus Christ, our LORD. He knows what is forgivable and what is not, for He is the Judge. Besides, there are many who, for some years together, refused and rebelled against the leading and drawing of God's Holy Spirit, and found what Jesus has said was true, that "All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven men..." They found forgiveness for what you have stated is unforgivable.

... I am just not now affiliated with any denominational church...
Do you realized that coming to a Baptist forum and telling us to open our eyes to something, in opposition to what Jesus Himself told us, is against our conscience, and not allowed according to the rules of this site?
 
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I have no idea what you are talking about. The only thing God will not forgive is refusing to accept His free gift of salvation. It is the Holy Spirit who draws us to God. If we refuse to respond positively we are calling the Holy Spirit a liar. Nowhere does Jesus say that refusing to accept Him as our Savior is not a sin. Have your eyes been blinded?
 
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Yes I will do my best.... ..I believe I took my answer from hebrew.....and another source
If a person falls away..they can never be brought back to repentence..fall away in the context
Was to fall back under the law...where knowledge of faith has took its place....to blaspheme.to speak against..it first starts in the heart ...If you speak against the holy spirit it is to me the same as rejecting God his power and everything else he is. Jesus told in Hebrews..that those people will never enter his rest?...why because they did not mix what they heard with faith..thats in Hebrew too. Or contributing the work of God to someone ele...rejection...especially after seeingmmiracles.
 
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Yes I will do my best.... ..I believe I took my answer from hebrew.....and another source
If a person falls away..they can never be brought back to repentence..fall away in the context
Was to fall back under the law...where knowledge of faith has took its place....to blaspheme.to speak against..it first starts in the heart ...If you speak against the holy spirit it is to me the same as rejecting God his power and everything else he is. Jesus told in Hebrews..that those people will never enter his rest?...why because they did not mix what they heard with faith..thats in Hebrew too. Or contributing the work of God to someone ele...rejection...especially after seeingmmiracles.

I have heard what you wrote about attributing the works of God to someone (usually Satan) else. But there is only ONE unforgivable sin as I have already stated.
 
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I have heard what you wrote about attributing the works of God to someone (usually Satan) else. But there is only ONE unforgivable sin as I have already stated.
It all falls under rejecting the prompting of the holy spirit...until I understood divorce a little better I would have added that as a possible answer. IT DOESN'T MATTER what anyone says it matters rather one csn present a logical argument..based on scripture. WHY DO These
THINGS ALL FALL UNDER REJECTION..? Because they are the outcome of the heart.

In the light that no one who has the holy spirit says Jesus is accursed. Point is not all sin is unforgivable but complete rejection of the spirit that offers forgiveness. And contributing the work of God to Satin could be a sign of ones rejection. YET WE ARE NOT THE FINAL JUDGE SO ONLY God knows that of that person. A hardening of the heart also falls under that umbrella of one that would reject the holy spirit. Today IF YOU HEAR MY VOICE DO NOT HARDEN THY HEART. ....
 
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It all falls under rejecting the prompting of the holy spirit...
Had you read this whole thread? There is much from scripture that is being ignored here. In my post #6 of this thread, I gave scripture for the true answer. You should read that. The very words of Jesus Christ are all we really have to go on for this.
 
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I have heard what you wrote about attributing the works of God to someone (usually Satan) else. But there is only ONE unforgivable sin as I have already stated.
Your post indicates that you reject the words of Jesus Christ our LORD on this subject. Does that not bother you at all?
 
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... Nowhere does Jesus say that refusing to accept Him as our Savior is not a sin...
Where does Jesus say ANYTHING in the Bible about accepting Him as our Savior? Please provide a scripture reference for that.

All manner of sin and blasphemy can be forgiven, according to Matthew 12:31. This manner of sin is forgivable. Just because it is a sin does not make it unforgivable.

That means it is possible to be forgiven for rejecting Jesus Christ. When someone has been drawn to Christ by the Holy Spirit of God, resists and rejects that, they are guilty of sin. When that person repents for rejecting Jesus Christ, and resiting the drawing of the Holy Spirit, they may be saved from their sin. This is NOT the sin that Jesus Christ said was unforgivable.

Blasphemy is the open, verbal, speaking of words against God. When that is done against the Holy Spirit, that sin is unforgivable, and that is the subject of this thread. John Bunyan thought he had done this when he was young, and tempted by the devil to reject God. He said something in his heart that he was convinced was unforgivable. he had thought this, and may have even whispered this thought while alone. the very thing he said, concerning Christ, was, "Let Him go if He will."

John Bunyan spent a long time in spiritual agony because of this, and because he thought he had done what could not be forgiven - the very thing that we are being told is the unforgivable sin. He later understood better that the sin was not unforgivable, and he went on to become a great man of God. In his 60 years on this Earth, this formerly illiterate man wrote 60 of the best books in the English language.

... but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven, not in this life, nor the life to come, according to Matthew 12:31.

He that speaketh a word against the Son of God can be forgiven, but he that speaketh against the Holy Ghost of God, can not be forgiven according to Matthew 12:32.

BLASPHEMY
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/blasphemy
an act of cursing or reviling God

http://www.yourdictionary.com/blasphemy
The definition of blasphemy is saying something concerning God that is very disrespectful.
Something done in the heart is not necessarily changing the minds of other people around you. To speak words of this sort is to infect the people who hear with the vitriol from the heart of the person. It is speaking words that is the subject of this declaration by the LORD Jesus Christ recorded in Matthew 12.

James 3
5 Even so the tongue is a little member, and boasteth great things. Behold, how great a matter a little fire kindleth!
6 And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell.
7 For every kind of beasts, and of birds, and of serpents, and of things in the sea, is tamed, and hath been tamed of mankind:
8 But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.
This is the manner of committing the sin that Jesus Christ stated would not be forgiven in this life nor in the life to come. It is speaking, with the tongue, words against the Holy Ghost. In the instance Jesus was addressing that brought this condemnation, it was attributing the works of the Holy Ghost to Beelzebub, the prince of the devils.
 
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hat is your interpretation. I have spent much of my life sharing Jesus.
Not my interpretation. I have given scripture references backing each of the points I mentioned. I still await you doing that for your assertions. Your resistance to the word of God is concerning.

I have asked for scripture references, but for you to refuse to post where you get your ideas equates to putting your thoughts above the word of God on this subject. You can, however, at any time, cease this refusal to reference the the scriptures, and show where you get your erroneous ideas.
 
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... The only thing God will not forgive is refusing to accept His free gift of salvation...
Again, you have not provided any scripture to back this position. There are multiple instances of what you say, that are dealt with in the scriptures. Jesus even gave a parable on that subject.

Here is an article I found that you can read. It is intended to help people like the OP, where they consider themselves a Christian, and are not sure if they have done something Jesus said could not be forgiven.

What is Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit?
Can A Christian Commit it?

by Matt Slick


https://carm.org/what-blasphemy-holy-spirit-can-christian-commit-it

I cannot understand why you feel so strongly about something that is not supported by scripture from the Bible!!! Also, I do not understand how you are not bothered that things you put in posts here are opposed to the very words of Jesus, that you say you have shared.
 
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When Jesus returns and one has refused to accept Him as their savior what do you think will happen to that person? As for Scripture (which is nothing but a dodge by you) a reading of the New Testament will show you what the unforgivable sin and blasphemy is.
 
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When Jesus returns and one has refused to accept Him as their savior what do you think will happen to that person? As for Scripture (which is nothing but a dodge by you) a reading of the New Testament will show you what the unforgivable sin and blasphemy is.
This post seems to display ignorance of the difference between something that has gone unforgiven, and something that cannot be forgiven in any circumstance, nor at any time. I gave scripture, for what I believe. I am not dodging anything. However, if you cannot cite scripture, it shows there is no scriptural basis for your opinion. Whatever that is, it does not come from scripture.

Regardless of any opinion you maintain, it is scripture from the Holy Bible that carries any real weight. If one steals something, the scriptures say that is sin. Jesus never said it was not sin!!! If one commits adultery, the scriptures say that is sin. Jesus never said it was not sin!!! If one resists Jesus Christ, and EVEN DENOUNCES that they even know the person they walked with as a human on this Earth, it is a sin. Jesus never said it was not sin!!! If one works to destroy Jesus' Church here on Earth, works to imprison Christians, and consents to their death, that is sin. Jesus never said it was not sin!!!

All manner of sin and blasphemy can be forgiven, according to Matthew 12:31, with the ONE EXCEPTION that Jesus stated in that passage. The Apostle Peter is thankful for that specifically. The Apostle Paul is thankful for that specifically. Each of these men committed what you say is unforgivable. Fact is, they did not commit THE UNFORGIVABLE SIN that can never be forgiven in any circumstance. Jesus said what this was, described it, and the instance was recorded in scripture (resist if you like, but it is there for you to read.) Mark stated plainly it was because of what they said.

Mark 3
29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:
30 Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.
It is sad that you would write that the scriptures are a dodge!!! that expecting you to cite where you get your teaching is a dodge. It seems to go with a general resistance to reading and understanding the scriptures, however, that is displayed in your posts here. Just holding out hope that God would awaken you from slumber.

The committing of a particular act is the subject of the OP. The person writing the OP was NOT saying he was not sorry, and had not gone to Jesus to seek forgiveness. He expressed the concern that this was an example of what he would not find forgiveness for, regardless of how he sought. Anyone "sharing" Jesus should have a distinct understanding of these words of Jesus Christ as recorded in Matthew Chapter 12, and Mark Chapter 3. (I know you said this is a dodge, but it is right there!!!)

Many years ago, there was a sermon preached titled, "God's Three Deadlines." That preacher gave examples of sins that were not forgiven, and deadlines crossed by people who did not find forgiveness. However, that preacher knew and understood the distinction I am trying to awaken you to. He knew that one of those sins, once committed, put the sinner in a state of condemnation, from which they could not recover. He gave examples from his personal encounters.

Other sins may be forgiven when someone asks, and God works in their heart. It is disturbing that no scripture seems to be sufficient to show the truth of Jesus' own words to you. If the words of Christ have no impact, I am not sure what else could be done to awaken someone so resistant to the truth of the scriptures.
 
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Scripture cannot contradict, if it does the problem is in us, not scripture.

I would hope that we could agree, the only way to the Father is through the Son. John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. As Paul says, we preach Christ crucified. The Gospel is simple, Christ died for our sins, according to the scriptures. He was buried and rose on the third day, according to the scriptures. This is the foundation of our faith. Those that believe in Christ are not condemned, those that do not are condemned already. John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

We know that the scriptures and the prophets testify Christ. Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. It is the Holy Spirit that has declared Christ from the prophets of old. 2 Pet 1:21. It is the Holy Spirit that guides us to the truth. John 16:13-14 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. This is the truth that they do resist in Acts 7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye. There is a point a man can reach that the Holy Spirit will no longer testify Christ to him. Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

Let’s go back to Mat 12. The Pharisees were responding to Christ’s miracles and the observation of the crowd. In verse 23, the crowd was saying, is this not the son of David. The crowd was asking, is this not the Messiah! In verse 28, Christ is declaring that the Kingdom of God was come by the Spirit of God. The Pharisees were resisting the Holy Spirit. For it is by the Spirit of God that we know Christ has come in the flesh. 1 John 4:2. The Holy Spirit reveals Christ to us Eph 3:5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; Back to Mat 12. In verse 30, Christ declares He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad. This as the scriptures say, is the spirit of the antichrist. As we can see, the Pharisees were denying Christ. They were resisting the Holy Spirit.

I wrote this in a similar thread...

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The saddest thing about those in the Christian religion is there are many who have grabbed onto false teachings and refuse to let them go. I have presented the truth and can do no more. I'm done with you nit-pickers. Fortunately what you believe does not affect your salvation.
 
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The saddest thing about those in the Christian religion is there are many who have grabbed onto false teachings and refuse to let them go...
The best sign of what you describe as false teaching is that which is "grabbed onto" independent of the holy scriptures. The clear evidence of false teaching is the lack of scripture to back the opinion. It has been a problem getting anything from scripture that backs what you put in these posts. Therefore, it proves that these opinions do not come from scripture.

Further, a failure to receive the clear teaching of Jesus Christ on the subject is another sign of what you bemoan. I have produced a number of scripture passages (including what Jesus said on the subject) that show where I get what I believe, but have seen none from you.
 
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The best sign of what you describe as false teaching is that which is "grabbed onto" independent of the holy scriptures. The clear evidence of false teaching is the lack of scripture to back the opinion. It has been a problem getting anything from scripture that backs what you put in these posts. Therefore, it proves that these opinions do not come from scripture.

Further, a failure to receive the clear teaching of Jesus Christ on the subject is another sign of what you bemoan. I have produced a number of scripture passages (including what Jesus said on the subject) that show where I get what I believe, but have seen none from you.

Jesus does not limit His speaking to the Bible. The sooner you learn that the sooner you will grow. That's it for me.
 
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Jesus does not limit His speaking to the Bible. The sooner you learn that the sooner you will grow. That's it for me.
This seals what I was saying. The opinion is not derived from scriptures of the Holy Bible.

Revelation 22
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
It is important not to add or take away from ANY of the books of the scripture.
 
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