Why Did "Global Warming" Become "Climate Change"?

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Well, with a projected population of 10,000,000,000 by 2050, and the world's oceans warming, thereby increasing acidity, and with thousands of species on the verge of endangerment and extinction, we're facing the fifth great extinction event.

But don't worry Jesus is coming soon.... right? ;)
Right. Sin messes up projections something fierce.
 
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I really believe that the earth is cooling. That we are entering a period of decreased solar activity. If you go to NASA's site there are articles relating to a Maunder Solar Minimum and global cooling. Just from personal experience we just came through a winter with an all time record month here in the Northeast that shattered all the old records. In fact I believe we set several records. And since then we have been running below average steadily. Another article I read was concerning sea ice at record thickness. I know that it is hot and dry out west. But really before one starts thumping the global warming bible, one must look at the global cooling aspects as well. If our planet is warming, I wish it would start warming where I am.

Sorry Global Warming Alarmists, The Earth Is Cooling - Forbes
 
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I really believe that the earth is cooling. That we are entering a period of decreased solar activity. If you go to NASA's site there are articles relating to a Maunder Solar Minimum and global cooling. Just from personal experience we just came through a winter with an all time record month here in the Northeast that shattered all the old records. In fact I believe we set several records. And since then we have been running below average steadily. Another article I read was concerning sea ice at record thickness. I know that it is hot and dry out west. But really before one starts thumping the global warming bible, one must look at the global cooling aspects as well. If our planet is warming, I wish it would start warming where I am.

Sorry Global Warming Alarmists, The Earth Is Cooling - Forbes

Me too. Where is spring?
 
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I really believe that the earth is cooling.

Everyone can have an opinion. It is just that the false prophets of climate change cash in on this.

The bible says the heat of the sun will be as several fold warmer in the Tribulation, and eventually God will burn up the earth! That IS global warming!
 
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Everyone can have an opinion. It is just that the false prophets of climate change cash in on this.

The bible says the heat of the sun will be as several fold warmer in the Tribulation, and eventually God will burn up the earth! That IS global warming!

Can you show us how carbon dioxide does NOT absorb photons in the IR part of the spectrum? Last I checked, it does.

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Notice how the absorbance peak for carbon dioxide at 10-11 um matches the peak for Earth's power spectrum?

Are you saying that scientists are making this up?
 
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Everyone can have an opinion. It is just that the false prophets of climate change cash in on this.

The bible says the heat of the sun will be as several fold warmer in the Tribulation, and eventually God will burn up the earth! That IS global warming!
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Dad, the day burning as an oven is already here. And it is revealing every one's work.

Amos 5:18 A Day of darkness
Zephaniah 1: 14,15 A Day of darkness & destruction
Zephaniah 2: 2,3 Fire & burning on that Day
Joel 2:2,3 A Day of darkness & fire
Habakkuk 1:5-12 Yep, the Lord uses the Powers of Darkness to judge
I Corinthians 2:13 And we who believe go through the Fire.

You are right God will burn up the earth/soil/chaff. And we do not need to wait, just look around. It is happening in our midst. What catches on fire is on fire and burning. A Day of the works of Darkness - God uses Them. Those of the 5 senses and who are earthly and worldly don't see it. Nor would they believe it. (Habakkuk 1:5,6; Joel 2:9-11)

God is the God who is near, with purpose and wonder.

We do not need to wait for anything solar! Just look around!

There is a distorted dark reason people call CO2 a pollutant! And make prophetic statements of doom, yet know nothing about the Day of the Lord, even God's message from those "minor prophets" of old.

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Dad, the day burning as an oven is already here. And it is revealing every one's work.

Amos 5:18 A Day of darkness
Zephaniah 1: 14,15 A Day of darkness & destruction
Zephaniah 2: 2,3 Fire & burning on that Day
Joel 2:2,3 A Day of darkness & fire
Habakkuk 1:5-12 Yep, the Lord uses the Powers of Darkness to judge
I Corinthians 2:13 And we who believe go through the Fire.

You are right God will burn up the earth/soil/chaff. And we do not need to wait, just look around. It is happening in our midst. What catches on fire is on fire and burning. A Day of the works of Darkness - God uses Them. Those of the 5 senses and who are earthly and worldly don't see it. Nor would they believe it. (Habakkuk 1:5,6; Joel 2:9-11)

God is the God who is near, with purpose and wonder.

We do not need to wait for anything solar! Just look around!

There is a distorted dark reason people call CO2 a pollutant! And make prophetic statements of doom, yet know nothing about the Day of the Lord, even God's message from those "minor prophets" of old.

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Is this your response to the obvious evidence that carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas?
 
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I really believe that the earth is cooling. That we are entering a period of decreased solar activity. If you go to NASA's site there are articles relating to a Maunder Solar Minimum and global cooling. Just from personal experience we just came through a winter with an all time record month here in the Northeast that shattered all the old records. In fact I believe we set several records. And since then we have been running below average steadily. Another article I read was concerning sea ice at record thickness. I know that it is hot and dry out west. But really before one starts thumping the global warming bible, one must look at the global cooling aspects as well. If our planet is warming, I wish it would start warming where I am.

Sorry Global Warming Alarmists, The Earth Is Cooling - Forbes

You need to understand that global warming doesn't mean consistently more warm weather patterns everywhere on Earth, and that climate and weather are different.

Global warming is the term used to describe the rise in average temperatures GLOBALLY, across ocean, land, air and atmosphere. And "climate change" is the term used to describe the EFFECTS of that warming. Global warming doesn't mean that every single place has to be warmer. Some places can get colder (that's also a climate change, and it is a result of global warming melting the ice caps and flooding seas with fresh cold water), but the places that get warmer, get warmer to levels that offset the cooler areas' decreases in temperature.

Take for instance Saharan Africa. It's dry and fiercely hot, and across the length of that region, temperatures get warmer, on average, as the years go by. Then take where you live. Your winters have gotten very cold.

The reason for this is that when the average GLOBAL temperature increases, this causes more melt in the ice caps, thus higher seas, and more cold, fresh water flowing in certain currents. This is a very simplified version of why you get the much colder winters.

The average global temperature is on the rise, but Earth is HUGE, so temperature isn't evenly spread. Some countries are hot, and some aren't.

Does that make sense?
 
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I really believe that the earth is cooling.

That would be a "belief" and not related to the data.

That we are entering a period of decreased solar activity. If you go to NASA's site there are articles relating to a Maunder Solar Minimum and global cooling.

Yes the sun plays a role in climate (obviously) but we, too, play a role by pumping vast amounts of a known greenhouse gas into the atmosphere. The science out there outlines the relative strength of the various forcing mechanisms (both positive and negative). I suppose we could wait around a bit longer to see if there is some grand solar minimum coming up that will overshadow our own positive forcing. And when the sun goes back into a positive state we will pick right up only now the warming will be worse because of our inaction on the thing we CAN change.

At that time maybe it will DEFINITELY be too late to do anything meaningful!


Just from personal experience we just came through a winter with an all time record month here in the Northeast that shattered all the old records.

When talking about science it is important to NOT get tied up in "anecdotal" data. Looking at one data point or just a couple in the absence of the fuller picture will lead to incorrect conclusions.

AND remember that as the average global temperature increases there is a possibility that certain areas will experience very different weather, not all just homogenously warmer.

I don't know if the polar vortex had anything to do with climate change or not but the key is that we are talking climate CHANGE. The global average temperature can increase and yet locally there may be places that can experience cold.

But really before one starts thumping the global warming bible

Why do people think it is a "religion" or some such? In fact the people that usually use phrases like you just used are the people least familiar with the TECHNICAL DETAILS of the topic.


, one must look at the global cooling aspects as well. If our planet is warming, I wish it would start warming where I am.

I suggest you start looking at SCIENCE references and not Forbes (financial) or blogs.

It takes more effort to read and understand it but in the long run the details will start to fill in.
 
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Can you show us how carbon dioxide does NOT absorb photons in the IR part of the spectrum? Last I checked, it does.
So? That ain't the only horse in the stable.
Notice how the absorbance peak for carbon dioxide at 10-11 um matches the peak for Earth's power spectrum?

No. I am saying that you cannot predict what WILL come in! Nor can you tell us what did come in at the dawn of man. What's left? Predicting what will occur in the last part of the Obama admin? Hey, that depends on war or peace I would suspect.
Are you saying that scientists are making this up?
Yes. They abuse facts for gain, or for sheer stupidity.
 
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Dad, the day burning as an oven is already here. And it is revealing every one's work.

Amos 5:18 A Day of darkness
Zephaniah 1: 14,15 A Day of darkness & destruction
Zephaniah 2: 2,3 Fire & burning on that Day
Joel 2:2,3 A Day of darkness & fire
Habakkuk 1:5-12 Yep, the Lord uses the Powers of Darkness to judge
I Corinthians 2:13 And we who believe go through the Fire.

Very funny. You been chawin your tongue out for pain? Has the earth passed away and elements melted in fervent heat? Did God send a great fire from heaven? Etc...



You are right God will burn up the earth/soil/chaff. And we do not need to wait, just look around. It is happening in our midst.
No. It isn't actually. I am not burning up at all. Get a grip.

What catches on fire is on fire and burning. A Day of the works of Darkness - God uses Them. Those of the 5 senses and who are earthly and worldly don't see it. Nor would they believe it. (Habakkuk 1:5,6; Joel 2:9-11)
You are conflating metaphors with direct specific prophesies.



There is a distorted dark reason people call CO2 a pollutant! And make prophetic statements of doom, yet know nothing about the Day of the Lord, even God's message from those "minor prophets" of old.

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Or maybe they actually detect that man pumping crap into that air has an actual effect that leads to a warmer scenario? The thing is, they cannot say how long this was true or what will be in the future. There silly fear mongering is based on 'if all thing continue as they are'!
 
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Satan wants to start with "Global Warming" and get people believing in that first, then slowly over time change the definition.

He is the master of deception, a liar and a fraud.

And no doubt Satan also values willful ignorance from those who wish to deny man's culpability in their own demise, right?
 
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And no doubt Satan also values willful ignorance from those who wish to deny man's culpability in their own demise, right?

Man isn't smart enough or powerful enough to bring about his own demise.

God has plans for Earth's future, and we're not going to interrupt them.

I don't care if we place an atom bomb over every square mile of this planet's surface and set them all off at the same time, the events of Revelation will still take place as documented.

Isaiah 54:17a No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper;
 
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Man isn't smart enough or powerful enough to bring about his own demise.

As long as we believe that to be the case then we won't have to worry about taking responsibility for our actions.

God has plans for Earth's future, and we're not going to interrupt them.

Was it God's plan for Adam and Eve to defy Him in the Garden of Eden? Are we purely deterministic creatures who have no free will and can not bring death upon ourselves?
 
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(Smacks hand to forehead at the sheer stubborn ignorance of climate deniers recycling tired old myths they've heard in their silly little echo-chambers!)


The argument "they changed the name" suggests that the term 'global warming' was previously the norm, and the widespread use of the term 'climate change' is now. However, this is simply untrue. For example, a seminal climate science work is Gilbert Plass' 1956 study 'The Carbon Dioxide Theory of Climatic Change' (which coincidentally estimated the climate sensitivity to a doubling of atmospheric carbon dioxide at 3.6°C, not far off from today's widely accepted most likely value of 3°C). Barrett and Gast published a letter in Science in 1971 entitled simply 'Climate Change'. The journal 'Climatic Change' was created in 1977 (and is still published today). The IPCC was formed in 1988, and of course the 'CC' is 'climate change', not 'global warming'. There are many, many other examples of the use of the term 'climate change' many decades ago. There is nothing new whatsoever about the usage of the term.

https://www.skepticalscience.com/climate-change-global-warming.htm
 
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I still say it is Gods global WARNing. He is in control of all things.

Ironic that conservative Christians, of all people, are the most likely to ignore it, then.
 
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