The Bible - Man's Instruction Manual

Bro.T · Apr 24, 2015

listed said:
I would like to see a full discussion by you on this part of the 4th commandment -

But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

The keeping of Sunday as the Christian Sabbath is not of God but of Man. Paul and the apostles kept the Lords Sabbath well after the death and resurrection of Christ. So why is most of world going to church on the first day of the week? Well if you dont know history I'll tell you why.

ORIGIN OF SUNDAY WORSHIP

Ample evidence from history shows that the celebration of Sunday originated from pagan practices of SUN WORSHIP. In March of 321 A.D., the Roman Emperor Constantine, who was at first a sun-worshiper and later a Christian convert, issued the first decree declaring Sunday to be a legal day of rest. In 336 A.D., the Roman Catholic Church officially changed the observance of Sabbath to Sunday for political and economic expediency. Since then, the original Sabbath gradually gave way to Sunday observance and the practice remains to this day.

You see, in the Council of Trent (1545 A.D.), the church leaders ruled that "tradition" is of as great authority as the Bible! They believed that God had given them the authority to change the Bible any way they pleased. By "tradition" they meant human teachings.

The sun was the main god of the heathen even back as far as ancient Babylon. Since they worshiped the sun on Sunday, the compromising church leaders could see that if they changed the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday, it would accomplish several things. Number one - it would separate them from the Jews who were hated by many of the Romans and who, along with Jesus, (Luke 4:16), had been worshiping on Saturday from the beginning (and still do today). Number two - it would make it much easier for the pagans to come into the church if the Christians met on the same day that the pagan world did.

It worked well. Pagans flocked in by the thousands. Satan's plan of compromise was doing its baleful work. The change was attempted gradually but many of the true hearted, loyal Christians were alarmed. They came to the leaders and wanted to know why they had dared tamper with the law of Almighty God! The church leaders knew this would happen - and they had an answer ready. It's a masterpiece. If a person doesn't know the bible well it sounds good.

The people were told that they were worshiping on Sunday now because Jesus rose from the dead on that day.

There's not even one verse in the Bible that tells us to do this, but that's what they were told. Isn't it amazing! Maybe you've even heard that yourself!

When Emperor Constantine became a Christian, Christianity became the state religion you remember. As thousands of sun-worshipers flocked into the church, it wasn't long before they had a dominating influence. Most of his top officials had been sun-worshipers. Because the Roman government was getting shaky, Constantine consulted with his aides and with the church officials in Rome. "What shall we do? How can we unite and stabilize the government?" The counsel of the church leaders was timely.

"Pass a Sunday law. Force everyone to cease work and honor Sunday."
That was it! It would satisfy the sun-worshiping pagans, and unite pagans, Christians, and the Roman empire as never before.

The year is 321 A.D. Constantine, yielding to the suggestion of church leaders passes the first Sunday law! Here it is, straight out of the record:
"Let all the judges and town people, and the occupation of all trades rest on the venerable day of the sun" Edict of March 7, 321 A.D. Corpus Juris Civilis Cod., lib. 3, tit. 12, Lex. 3.

The Christians who would not compromise and dishonor God found themselves in a dilemma. Satan had worked things around so that you were forced to honor the pagan "day of the sun" or pay the penalty. Even after the Emperor's Sunday law, many Christians continued to honor and keep holy the seventh-day Sabbath that their Saviour had kept. God knew what was going on and had predicted that the man of sin would "think to change times and laws." Satan was about to pull off a world-wide hoax.

Bibles were forbidden by the priests. As the years went by, the new generations (without Bibles) would forget all about the Sabbath of the Lord.
Not only that - from time to time, great church councils were held. In nearly every one, the Sabbath which God had given as a memorial of His creation of the world was pressed down and Sunday was exalted. The pagan festival finally came to be regarded as the "Lord's day" (by Pope Sylvester, 314-337 A.D.) and the church leaders pronounced the Bible Sabbath a relic of the Jews, and those who honored it, in obedience to the fourth commandment of God, were pronounced to be "accursed."

To rip out the commandment right in the center, put in Sun- day worship as a counterfeit, take the Bibles away, and command the whole world to accept it - this was the king of all swindles!

Keep in mind that our God is kind and fair. Those who are keeping Sunday and breaking God's fourth commandment ignorantly are not under condemnation. It's only those who know what God commands and willfully disobey who are committing sin. God's enemy knows that to break one of God's commandments is a sin which hurts our Saviour and robs us of eternal life with Him if not repented of.

Satan laid this plot so deep that even many ministers are not aware of it. Many religious leaders are putting forth desperate efforts to keep the facts on this subject away from the people. Shocking but true, many ministers have not learned at school anything different than their teachers have learned before them. Then they teach their congregations what they learned from their teachers. It is perpetuated for generations. This is why even your own parents or grandparents may not have understood what God's word teaches about His seventh-day Sabbath. But when people honestly study the Bible for themselves - their eyes are opened. Many people take the preacher's word and just don't study God's word for themselves.
The Biblical Sabbath, however, is and has always been on the seventh day of the week, or Saturday. Despite the prevalence of Sunday worship in Christendom, we must look to the Bible as our authority and keep the seventh day Sabbath ordained by God.

Remember Paul said; (Acts 24:14) But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets: And it says clearly in the law (Ex:20) to remember the sabbath, to keep it holy.

Bro.T · Apr 24, 2015

listed said:
If what tanzel says is true there is no salvation unless 1 becomes a Jew through the rite of circumcision obligating them to the law. Those who require the law have no salvation according to Gal 5:4.

Not about being a Jew, its about God. Understand that Jew only cover one tribe of Israel, which is Judah, even though the phrase Jews in some cases are refer to the whole twelve tribe of Israel. I didn't write the Bible, but the Bible clearly discuss the order in how God operates from Genesis to Revelation. God deals with Israel and through Israel he deals with the rest of the sons of Adam.

Bro.T · Apr 24, 2015

listed said:
Would you be so kind as to highlight this concept in your quoted passages - Israel to live by and to teach all of the other sons of Adam?

Thanks

I dont know your nationality, but what you have to understand is that every word that was written in the Bible was written by an Israelite. For what purpose did the Lord choose the children of Israel? (Exodus 19: 1-6) Let's look at the 5th & 6th vs.; "Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine: (6th vs.) and ye shall be unto me a Kingdom of Priest, and a holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel."

The lord have not changed his ways. For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed (Malachi 3:6)

If you are a Gentile or from any other nation, and you are being taught by another Gentile or another nation, who have not been taught by a Hebrew Israelite, (who keeps the commandments, statues and judgments), then theres going to be a lot of miss understanding and miss leading. The question is How can one who is not of the lineage of Israel, become partakers of the covenant of God? Lets take a look into (Ephesians 2:11-22) lets look at the 11th through 13th verses. "Wherefore remember, that ye being in the time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called uncircumcision by that which is called the circumcision in the flesh made by hands; (12th vs.) That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenant of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: (13th vs.) But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ."

The Gentiles came in this word right before Israel went in captivity as a nation, but remember God change not. But Paul says in Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Lets take another look at what says in Romans 3:1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision? 3:2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.

See Paul ask a question here, and gave an answer, Paul is telling the Romans that Israel have the answer of God, but lets continue and see why.

Let go to Romans 9:1I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost, 9:2 That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart. 9:3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:9:4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises; 9:5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

Souldier · Apr 24, 2015

tanzel said:
The keeping of Sunday as the Christian Sabbath is not of God but of Man. Paul and the apostles kept the Lord’s Sabbath well after the death and resurrection of Christ. So why is most of world going to church on the first day of the week? Well if you don’t know history I'll tell you why.

As you know i dont follow any tradition or any holy day. What you say does have merit though. Why is it that if someone observes sabbath they are pounced on, but others talk about Easter, lent, good friday, ash wednesday, Passover, and Sunday, yet they are never questioned?

Some people do in fact believe Sunday is a new sabbath, and they think that day is holy. And it goes with other days as well. I don't observe sabbath yet i think it has much spiritual meaning. I may not understand everything but i follow what i do understand and it seems good

Souldier · Apr 24, 2015

There is no inbetween. either we observe days or not. A person who observes sabbath is no worse than one who observes Sunday. Its the same thing actually. We see many things from the OC that are taught in the NC. We dont steal and lie out of love, thats what paul says. Yet we also know that we must put on truth and therefore lying is not good. Why is observing one day good while observing another is not? So what if a person observes Sabbath? So what if a person observes Sunday? And what if another person doesnt observe any of it?
What does all this mean? It means we all have much to learn and so we walk by faith not sight.

Souldier · Apr 24, 2015

Romans 8:4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

Colossians 3 If then you were raised with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ is, sitting at the right hand of God. 2 Set your mind on things above, not on things on the earth. 3 For you died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God. 4 When Christ who is our life appears, then you also will appear with Him in glory.

5 Therefore put to death your members which are on the earth: fornication, uncleanness, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry. 6 Because of these things the wrath of God is coming upon the sons of disobedience, 7 in which you yourselves once walked when you lived in them.

8 But now you yourselves are to put off all these: anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy language out of your mouth. 9 Do not lie to one another, since you have put off the old man with his deeds, 10 and have put on the new man who is renewed in knowledge according to the image of Him who created him, 11 where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcised nor uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave nor free, but Christ is all and in all.

Character of the New Man
12 Therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, put on tender mercies, kindness, humility, meekness, longsuffering; 13 bearing with one another, and forgiving one another, if anyone has a complaint against another; even as Christ forgave you, so you also must do. 14 But above all these things put on love, which is the bond of perfection. 15 And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also you were called in one body; and be thankful. 16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom, teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord. 17 And whatever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through Him.

Souldier · Apr 24, 2015

We die to ourselves and to this world. We are dead. Holy days and religion are things found on earth. God has already rested in heaven. There are no days in heaven. There is no sun either. How then can there be day or night? How can there be days there? There is no Saturday or Sunday. What are we taught? To seek those things above. Where our treasure is, so is our heart. Do we need a money in heaven? No. Seek those things above. Its the hardest lesson we face.

Bro.T · Apr 27, 2015

Souldier said:
As you know i dont follow any tradition or any holy day. What you say does have merit though. Why is it that if someone observes sabbath they are pounced on, but others talk about Easter, lent, good friday, ash wednesday, Passover, and Sunday, yet they are never questioned?

Some people do in fact believe Sunday is a new sabbath, and they think that day is holy. And it goes with other days as well. I don't observe sabbath yet i think it has much spiritual meaning. I may not understand everything but i follow what i do understand and it seems good

Well to answer that question we have to deal with some serious facts that needs understanding, with a spiritual mind set. Lets go into Luke 4: 3 And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread. 4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God. 5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. 6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it. 7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine. 8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

So we see that Satan uses his power with the kingdom of the earth. Now think about what we just read, the Devil says, "all the Kingdom are his", and that he is worshiped by those to whom he gives power to. Now, if he asked the Lord to worship him, while he was in the flesh; what about the rest of us? Lets go into Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Think about it, how does he deceive the whole world? Which means me, you and everyone else has been deceive at some point for the scriptures did not say he deceive some of the world, or part of the world, but the whole world.

Lets take a look and see how Satan used his power with these kingdoms.
Lets go into Ephesians 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. These high places are the churches, brothers and sisters. Lets go into Luke 22:52 Then Jesus said unto the chief priests, and captains of the temple, and the elders, which were come to him, Be ye come out, as against a thief, with swords and staves? 53 When I was daily with you in the temple, ye stretched forth no hands against me: but this is your hour, and the power of darkness.

Did you notice it was the church people who came to arrest Jesus? They did the bidding for there "father" the Devil.

See, spiritual wickedness is in the pulpits of the church, which is the highest place on the earth. The church is the true government that governs the earth. The men in the positions of feeding the flock teaches the lies of the Devil, they deceive the people into worshiping another Jesus. Paul said in 2 Corinthians 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

The Sabbath day is a blessing not a curse as ministers of Satan would have people to believe. Yes Satan has his own ministers and they bring you his doctrine. Paul says in (2Cor.11:13-15) For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. (v.14) And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. (v.15) Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

(1 Tim.4:1) Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils

The first day of the week, as the Sabbath day, is the doctrine of the devil. Satan is always trying to mimic God. So if it is not of God then it is of Satan. So if the seventh day Sabbath (Saturday) is a sign between God and His people. Then the first day (Sunday) is a sign between somebody and his people. You cant have it both ways you are either in or out. (1Cor.10:20-22) (v.20) and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils. (v.21) Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils. (v.22) Do we provoke the Lord to jealousy? are we stronger than he? Just about everybody in my family goes to church on Sunday. Even I used too, until I read the scriptures and researched the history of Sunday worship. Until I read the bible for myself I was in the dark. Let no man deceive you. (Rev12:9) And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Satan through man (Religious Teaching) has deceived the whole world.

Souldier · Apr 27, 2015

tanzel said:
Well to answer that question we have to deal with some serious facts that needs understanding, with a spiritual mind set. Lets go into Luke 4: 3 And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread. 4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God. 5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. 6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it. 7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine. 8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

So we see that Satan uses his power with the kingdom of the earth. Now think about what we just read, the Devil says, "all the Kingdom are his", and that he is worshiped by those to whom he gives power to. Now, if he asked the Lord to worship him, while he was in the flesh; what about the rest of us? Lets go into Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Think about it, how does he deceive the whole world? Which means me, you and everyone else has been deceive at some point for the scriptures did not say he deceive some of the world, or part of the world, but the whole world.

Lets take a look and see how Satan used his power with these kingdoms.
Lets go into Ephesians 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. These high places are the churches, brothers and sisters. Lets go into Luke 22:52 Then Jesus said unto the chief priests, and captains of the temple, and the elders, which were come to him, Be ye come out, as against a thief, with swords and staves? 53 When I was daily with you in the temple, ye stretched forth no hands against me: but this is your hour, and the power of darkness.

Did you notice it was the church people who came to arrest Jesus? They did the bidding for there "father" the Devil.

See, spiritual wickedness is in the pulpits of the church, which is the highest place on the earth. The church is the true government that governs the earth. The men in the positions of feeding the flock teaches the lies of the Devil, they deceive the people into worshiping another Jesus. Paul said in 2 Corinthians 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

The Sabbath day is a blessing not a curse as ministers of Satan would have people to believe. Yes Satan has his own ministers and they bring you his doctrine. Paul says in (2Cor.11:13-15) For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. (v.14) And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. (v.15) Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

(1 Tim.4:1) Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils

The first day of the week, as the Sabbath day, is the doctrine of the devil. Satan is always trying to mimic God. So if it is not of God then it is of Satan. So if the seventh day Sabbath (Saturday) is a sign between God and His people. Then the first day (Sunday) is a sign between somebody and his people. You cant have it both ways you are either in or out. (1Cor.10:20-22) (v.20) and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils. (v.21) Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils. (v.22) Do we provoke the Lord to jealousy? are we stronger than he? Just about everybody in my family goes to church on Sunday. Even I used too, until I read the scriptures and researched the history of Sunday worship. Until I read the bible for myself I was in the dark. Let no man deceive you. (Rev12:9) And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Satan through man (Religious Teaching) has deceived the whole world.

I agree that Sunday is not the sabbath. I agree that the sabbath is not a cursed thing either. I just think that sabbath was a shadow of something else that is fulfilled in Christ. I dont quite understand it yet and i dont meditate on it much, but i do think it has a spiritual meaning in the NC. We actually dont need to observe any holy day because those things are shadows of things that come in Christ. I think we only add more religious burden to ourselves if we observe sabbath.

Isnt this Hebrews scripture referring to the Sabbath? However, its not actually talking about resting on Saturday is it?

Hebrews 4:4 And God rested on the seventh day from all His works; [c] 5 and again in this place: They shall not enter My rest.[d]

6 Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience, 7 again He designates a certain day, saying in David, Today, after such a long time, as it has been said:

Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts.[e]
8 For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. 10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.

The Word Discovers Our Condition
11 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience. 12 For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account.

Souldier · Apr 27, 2015

I like this proverbs scripture, it seems to agree with the hebrews scripture.

The Word Discovers Our Condition
Hebrews 4:11 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience. 12 For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account.

Proverbs 20:A king who sits on the throne of judgment
Scatters all evil with his eyes.
8:9 Who can say, “I have made my heart clean,
I am pure from my sin”?
10 Diverse weights and diverse measures,
They are both alike, an abomination to the Lord.
11 Even a child is known by his deeds,
Whether what he does is pure and right.
12 The hearing ear and the seeing eye,
The Lord has made them both.
13 Do not love sleep, lest you come to poverty;
Open your eyes, and you will be satisfied with bread.

Bro.T · Apr 27, 2015

Souldier said:
There is no inbetween. either we observe days or not. A person who observes sabbath is no worse than one who observes Sunday. Its the same thing actually. We see many things from the OC that are taught in the NC. We dont steal and lie out of love, thats what paul says. Yet we also know that we must put on truth and therefore lying is not good. Why is observing one day good while observing another is not? So what if a person observes Sabbath? So what if a person observes Sunday? And what if another person doesnt observe any of it?
What does all this mean? It means we all have much to learn and so we walk by faith not sight.

What you have to understand is, what God have you do today is for tomorrow. The sabbath day is a sign for the millenium period, to reign with Christ a thousands years. People lack spiritual understanding because they won't do the things that are required for them to obtain spiritual understanding. Paul says this in Romans 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

When you read that a law was nail to the cross, satan have people to believe its the ten commandments the (royal law), buts its another law, not the law we just read. Shall a man be rewarded for iniquity? Shall God still bless a man with knowledge and understanding and wisdom, as he breaks his laws? Would you? The church started in the wilderness and now man have the audacity to make a change in God's day of worship, after 70 A.D. Prophecy declared that we would forget to keep the Sabbath holy.

"Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy", is what the Lord commands us in the "Ten Commandments", see Ex.20:8-11.Yes, the world has forgotten to sanctify the Sabbath and that is the reason why we (the world) are in such a terrible state today.

"The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, change the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. Therefore hath the cursed devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left." (Isaiah 24:5-6).

Souldier · Apr 27, 2015

Likewise these scriptures also seem to be saying the same thing. The scriptures sometimes have a double meaning. Both meanings are correct but there are things that only our spiritual eyes can see.

Proverbs 20:9 Who can say, “I have made my heart clean,
I am pure from my sin”?
10 Diverse weights and diverse measures,
They are both alike, an abomination to the Lord.

Matthew 7:7 Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again

Souldier · Apr 27, 2015

tanzel said:
What you have to understand is, what God have you do today is for tomorrow. The sabbath day is a sign for the millenium period, to reign with Christ a thousands years. People lack spiritual understanding because they won't do the things that are required for them to obtain spiritual understanding. Paul says this in Romans 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

When you read that a law was nail to the cross, satan have people to believe its the ten commandments the (royal law), buts its another law, not the law we just read. Shall a man be rewarded for iniquity? Shall God still bless a man with knowledge and understanding and wisdom, as he breaks his laws? Would you? The church started in the wilderness and now man have the audacity to make a change in God's day of worship, after 70 A.D. Prophecy declared that we would forget to keep the Sabbath holy.

"Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy", is what the Lord commands us in the "Ten Commandments", see Ex.20:8-11.Yes, the world has forgotten to sanctify the Sabbath and that is the reason why we (the world) are in such a terrible state today.

"The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, change the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. Therefore hath the cursed devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left." (Isaiah 24:5-6).

Paul teaches us how to walk spiritually and to see spiritually. He doesn't seem to lead us to observe holy days, to the contrary he seems to lead us away from those things because they are shadows. Thats what im following and it seems biblical to me.

Romans 14:5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord;[a] and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks. 7 For none of us lives to himself, and no one dies to himself. 8 For if we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. Therefore, whether we live or die, we are the Lords.

Bro.T · Apr 27, 2015

bugkiller said:
What rules did the Apostles give us? This might be a new angle for me.

bugkiller

The focus should be more on what rules did Jesus give for us?

Souldier · Apr 27, 2015

tanzel said:
The focus should be more on what rules did Jesus give for us?

The apostle teach us exactly what Christ taught us. I see His teaching in their words all the time.

Souldier · Apr 27, 2015

Maybe the question shouldn't be what did Moses teach us, but rather what did the apostles and Christ teach us?

Christ opens our eyes to see the hidden things

Souldier · Apr 27, 2015

Mathew 13:15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.

17 For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.

18 Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower.

Psalm 119:18New King James Version (NKJV)

18 Open my eyes, that I may see
Wondrous things from Your law

Bro.T · Apr 27, 2015

Souldier said:
Paul teaches us how to walk spiritually and to see spiritually. He doesn't seem to lead us to observe holy days, to the contrary he seems to lead us away from those things because they are shadows. Thats what im following and it seems biblical to me.

Romans 14:5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord;[a] and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks. 7 For none of us lives to himself, and no one dies to himself. 8 For if we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. Therefore, whether we live or die, we are the Lords.

Instead of understanding what I quoted to you by Paul writing, you come back with another quote from Paul, which you think gives you the green light to ignore the Royal law (commandments). What crazy is, Paul, and the apostles and Jesus, kept the Sabbath day on the seventh day of the week, and kept the High Holy Sabbath days, and instead, even following that concept, you use Paul writing to keep your own self and others out the kingdom God.

Souldier · Apr 27, 2015

tanzel said:
Instead of understanding what I quoted to you by Paul writing, you come back with another quote from Paul, which you think gives you the green light to ignore the Royal law (commandments). What crazy is, Paul, and the apostles and Jesus, kept the Sabbath day on the seventh day of the week, and kept the High Holy Sabbath days, and instead, even following that concept, you use Paul writing to keep your own self and others out the kingdom God.

The Royal law is not the 10 commandments. I like the commandments however, paul teaches us all them. However he doesnt teach us to observe Sabbath, not in the way you are describing anyway. The 10 commandments are for children. I am a child sometimes and need reminded about those things, im not so grown up that im above them. However they are for children, we must move onto the meat of the word.

Albion · Apr 27, 2015

tanzel said:
Instead of understanding what I quoted to you by Paul writing, you come back with another quote from Paul, which you think gives you the green light to ignore the Royal law (commandments). What crazy is, Paul, and the apostles and Jesus, kept the Sabbath day on the seventh day of the week, and kept the High Holy Sabbath days, and instead, even following that concept, you use Paul writing to keep your own self and others out the kingdom God.

Yes, but you made Paul out to be a keeper of the Sabbath only because he used the word "carnal." That's not very convincing as an argument, especially since elsewhere in the New Testament we are told that the early church kept Sunday as the principle day of worship. You say not to discard God's Law, but the New Testament is God's revelation, too.

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