Jesus declared in Matthew 24 that His coming will be after the great tribulation is cut short, which is before the day of the Lord (God's wrath). The apostle Paul affirmed this to the church at Thessalonica to those believers who were confused with the timing of Christ's return. Paul said there will be a falling away first and the man of sin is revealed. The revealing of the man of sin is the Antichrist at the mid-point of the final 7 years. Therefore, Christ's coming in the Christians reunion with Christ takes place sometime in the second half of the final 7 years and before God's wrath in the trumpet judgments are sounded.
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The material in Thess was about the same 1st century situation that Mt24A was about. At v29 the setting changes to the end of the whole world. Originally the end of the world was expected to be right after the DofJ, but there were allowances. And as we know now, it has been delayed long.
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Matthew and Paul are not referring to the same event.
Matthew 24 is per the Law; Matthew 23. Note further Daniel's reference to Matthew 24's events as in connection with the Law in his prayer in Daniel 9.
While, Thessalonians' "delivered from" Matthew 3's "wrath to come" is founded on Romans 5's "free gift of Grace... by ONE man's righteousness."
This, given the respective intent of each of those two systems, Romans 3's "Now we know...But Now...," each "in their DUE season" Luke 12:42; Romans 10.
Matthew 24 is per the Law; Matthew 23. Note further Daniel's reference to Matthew 24's events as in connection with the Law in his prayer in Daniel 9.
While, Thessalonians' "delivered from" Matthew 3's "wrath to come" is founded on Romans 5's "free gift of Grace... by ONE man's righteousness."
This, given the respective intent of each of those two systems, Romans 3's "Now we know...But Now...," each "in their DUE season" Luke 12:42; Romans 10.
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Our interpretation of Matthew 24 assumes that our Lord meant what He said to those to whom He said it. The only thing that nullifies is a largish chunk of Dispensational Futurism.
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Soooo what did He say to us?
To whom were the below verses written to
II Peter 3:3 "Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,"
II Peter 3:4 "And saying, "Where is the promise of His coming? for since the father fell asleep, all thing continue as they were from the beginning of the creation."
Now since you'll think He came already,can't be you,so who?
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No they are not.
The one is affirming the Law's Performance Based Acceptance Principle - "But he that endures until the end shall be saved," Mattew 24.
The other is based on the Grace Principle: ACCEPTED IN the Beloved Through the Obedience of ONE.
Thus, its result - DELIVERED from the Wrath to Come Through HIS Life, Romans 5.
See, these issues are not solved by pointing to a verse in which one thing or another is asserted.
Doing that is much like picking what Greek definition, of the multiple ones often offered, better backs up one's notions.
Rather, this is about seeking first those passages that identify a General Rule of Thumb one might THEN seek to attempt to read the other passages through.
For example, when Paul in Romans 6:14 relates "FOR sin shall not have dominion over you" and then follows that with "FOR ye are NOT under the Law, BUT under Grace," he has just related a General Rule of Thumb he is basing his assertion that "sin shall not have dominion over you" on - the General Rule of Thumb that "ye are not under the Law, but under Grace" the mechanics of which he has just finished laying out in Romans 5.
First you seek to identify General Rules of Thumb - via Induction or Information Gathering towards identifying them.
They then acts as a Premise from which you can read the various passages through towards Deducing Conclusions about their actually intended sense.
You don't just go to say, Matthew 24 or 1 Thessalonians 4, or what have you, without the above settled first.
If you fail to identify said General Rules of Thumb first, the passage or passages you are seeking to understand end up understood by you from what you think the passages are talking about, in contrast to these General Rules of Thumb the passages are basing what they are talking about on.
And you wind up believing you are right becuase you feel right, because you have gone by "what it means to me is.. "
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I'm curious... what do preterists believe about the resurrection of the dead ?
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I'm curious... what do preterists believe about the resurrection of the dead ?
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Quite some time ago I studied the prewrath position and read Marv Rosenthal's book "The Pre-Wrath Rapture of the Church". I also read the book by his buddy.
I consider the historical 7th trumpet/Post-trib position, PreWrath in many ways, because our gathering occurs before God pours out his wrath on the ungodly at Armageddon.
There was one problem that I ran into at a later point with Rosenthal's version that made me have to rethink and change my view. Some are never able to change their viewpoint once they embrace it. They are like concrete that hardened and cannot change it's shape after a certain period of time.
I discovered that nowhere in scripture is there a reference to a 7 year tribulation.
You can get it by taking two of the references to the 3 1/2 years in the Book of Revelation and adding them together.
Secondly the 7 years comes by taking a covenant confirmed by Christ and changing it into a treaty broken by the antichrist by adding a manmade gap not mentioned by the angel Gabriel.
For me, this was the fatal flaw in Rosenthal's book, although I still agree with many of the things he writes in the book.
Therefore, the book was a positive thing for me, because it let me see another possibility than what was being taught by the Dispensational Futurists in my church.
He was right about one thing for sure, our gathering will be before the wrath of God.
Check the links below for the problems with casting Daniel's 70th week almost 2,000 years into the future.
Who Confirmed The Covenant?
http://christianmediaresearch.com/node/1023
Daniel’s 70 Weeks
https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/14-daniels-prophecy-of-the-seventy-weeks
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