Beware of Feminist teaching in Messianic Womans Conferences.

JeffTheLearner · Apr 22, 2015

My wife several weeks ago attended a well promoted Messianic Woman's conference with a large group of ladies from our local Assembly ...all came back shocked and offered by how thick they were laying on the manipulations of feminist doctrines.

My wife once being a huge proponent of pushing feminist doctrines herself as the flaming heathen liberal she was before her conversion into the Truth ...she was able to identify it almost immediately.

I just wonder how many women went home after that conference, or the many others like it and began to sow seeds of unwarranted strife at home and within their own local assemblies. She did say the majority of women were applauding much of what was spoken.

I don't know about you, but my wife loves the idea of having an independent God fearing man who makes all the final decisions who is well studied and is not an overgrown man-child stuck on many of the vanities of arrested development. My wife knows YHVH designed the woman for particular task that they excel at beyond men, as He also did with men.

Scripture is clear that only a fool would despise the advice of his own wife/flesh, and even more so only an absolute idiot would consume his own household in a fit of anger or pride.

It comes easy for most men to understand what respect is ...but for women it is difficult task to learn this, as it is for men to understand how to be nurturing. Anyways feminism supplies a huge stumbling block at this hard learned lesson while also diminishing the natural design of women to something more self destructive to the family.

I just point this out to both men and women because this movement is being infiltrated on so many levels. Even the most lowly of manipulative profiteers knows they could easy win themselves a cult following through such tactics. So it's not just the large scale conspirators we have to be aware of, but also the small.

Lulav · Apr 22, 2015

Would you like to share just what was being preached at this conference? It would be much more helpful to know exactly what to look for.

Are you speaking about the Daughters of Righteousness Conference?

JeffTheLearner · Apr 23, 2015

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I would rather just leave names out and hope that all who reads this keeps a vigilant eye open and remains critical of anyone spoon feeding them any information with an awareness to beware of wolves in sheep's clothing.

Aryeh Jay · Apr 23, 2015

What does anyone’s name have to do with what information or message was being preached?

Lulav · Apr 23, 2015

Aryeh Jay said:
What does anyones name have to do with what information or message was being preached?

Yes, not helpful at all.

Jeff 'the Learner' why did you even start this thread? You gave no information for a basis for it, only it seems, your opinion, which I have to say came off as very chauvinistic to me. If I were your wife I surely wouldn't like being referred to by my husband as a 'flaming heathen liberal'.

It seems you have problems with this and I'd guess more that what actually exists.

Desert Rose · Apr 23, 2015

JeffTheLearner said:
It comes easy for most men to understand what respect is ...but for women it is difficult task to learn this, as it is for men to understand how to be nurturing.

WHAT????????????hope you are not being deliberately insulting here....

ChavaK · Apr 23, 2015

Lulav said:
Yes, not helpful at all.

Jeff 'the Learner' why did you even start this thread? You gave no information for a basis for it, only it seems, your opinion, which I have to say came off as very chauvinistic to me. If I were your wife I surely wouldn't like being referred to by my husband as a 'flaming heathen liberal'.

It seems you have problems with this and I'd guess more that what actually exists.

I agree . And without him providing any detailed information it's impossible to see if his claim has any merit.

JeffTheLearner · Apr 23, 2015

Desert Rose ...we both refer to ourselves as such, it was meant as nothing more than a over expression for the sake of being mildly comical. My wife would describe me in the same manner in order to relate my understanding on a renounced opinion, or state of mind.

You all obviously want dirt, and these woman's conferences are usually set up with a number of speakers, and to group them all under one banner would be to speak evil of them all ...and though it seems a majority were of the feminist state of mind, not all were.

Also I'll keep in mind that your alls unnecessary criticism exposes your bias. The tongue and cheek is obvious to me.

Lulav · Apr 23, 2015

JeffTheLearner said:
Desert Rose ...we both refer to ourselves as such, it was meant as nothing more than a over expression for the sake of being mildly comical. My wife would describe me in the same manner in order to relate my understanding on a renounced opinion, or state of mind.

You all obviously want dirt, and these woman's conferences are usually set up with a number of speakers, and to group them all under one banner would be to speak evil of them all ...and though it seems a majority were of the feminist state of mind, not all were.

Also I'll keep in mind that your alls unnecessary criticism exposes your bias. The tongue and cheek is obvious to me.

DR was questioning this she quoted from you :
"It comes easy for most men to understand what respect is ...but for women it is difficult task to learn this, as it is for men to understand how to be nurturing."

So how do you both refer to yourselves as such? :scratch:

No one was asking for 'dirt' and thanks for thinking of us as a bunch of gossiping hens. You started the thread as (I thought) a helpful warning but did not define what you were warning against. I don't want to know who said what just in general why you felt the need to post this and what exactly you were warning against.

You say you don't want to group them all together but you just did that exact same thing to all the posters who responded to your thread. You lumped three Jewish women and one Jewish man into your "unnecessary criticism and bias that all we wanted was 'dirt'.

Oy! :doh:

yonah_mishael · Apr 23, 2015

I've seen way too much reactionary anti-Feminism nonsense lately. What in the world is going on with all these macho men showing hate to the rights of women?

JeffTheLearner · Apr 23, 2015

lol ...are you kidding me yonah-mishael?!? My wifes eyes about rolled into her head at that comment, lol.

Feminisim is not about womens rights, its about exalting a woman as head of the household, and to diminish and undermine the family model and men. Often it is a government manipulation to gain power over the whole family filling in th void with social goverment controls ...but it also works for preachers for pay.

yonah_mishael · Apr 23, 2015

Exalting a woman as head of the household? I don't see why a woman shouldn't be the head of a household. Or the head of a company. Or the head of a religious organization. I don't see what the problem is with a woman being in a place of leadership and authority. But, I can understand why a person with a cowardly disposition who think that only men have value or make logical decisions should be in leadership.

Telling me that your wife rolled her eyes just means that she agrees with you. Should that be used as some type of evidence of your correctness? She agrees with you. That's nice and all, but it constitutes nothing by way of truth.

Personally, my own mother would laugh in your face if you told her that a woman couldn't successfully lead her family. I think it's disgraceful that we have a new generation of cowards acting like their anti-Feministic fears are actually based on something sensible.

JeffTheLearner · Apr 23, 2015

I never said a woman can not lead a family, you are making an awfully lot of presumptuous judgments about me ...as I said it exposes your hypocrisy and biasl as a person of The Word.

Also exaggerating a shock of out rage also exposes an inclination to irrationally paint pictures with a very broad brush ...its not someone I would expect sound advice from.

yonah_mishael · Apr 23, 2015

JeffTheLearner said:
I never said a woman can not lead a family, you are making an awfully lot of presumptuous judgments about me ...as I said it exposes your hypocrisy and biasl as a person of The Word.

Also exaggerating a shock of out rage also exposes an inclination to irrationally paint pictures with a very broad brush ...its not someone I would expect sound advice from.

Oh, you're bemoaning the fact that women could lead households, but you're not saying that they can't? Right! You're not saying that they can't (since that's obviously false). Rather, you're saying that they shouldn't. Interesting....

JeffTheLearner · Apr 23, 2015

Sheesh ...you are twisting things to argue in circles, this is counter productive. Again where did I "bemoan" women running households? I obviously am talking about people intentionally making causes for strife to divide families ...but you want to think Im attacking women, nope that is not what Im doing ...but you are trying to twist things I say as if I am. That is deceptive.

It sounds to me as if you fully are offened at me because you wish to protect the doctrine of feminism dispite the crowd of evil villans that push it ....even though it is linked to children being educated by the state rather than by a loving mother, which not "allowng" women to work, but is forcing them to work ...not to mention the millions of dead babies left in its wake, pairing itself with other crazy socalist population control doctrines. Nope, feminism is bad.

But I cast my words in vain ...I dont know many democrats that are not disillusioned socialist ...look at the crazy people you all back.

pat34lee · Apr 23, 2015

yonah_mishael said:
Oh, you're bemoaning the fact that women could lead households, but you're not saying that they can't? Right! You're not saying that they can't (since that's obviously false). Rather, you're saying that they shouldn't. Interesting....

I have no problem saying they shouldn't. The same with churches or synagogues or any place where the leader has spiritual authority over men. Ideally, this goes for civil power also. (waiting for jaws to be picked up) If no man is involved, there is no choice as to who runs things. If there is a choice, the better choice is normally a man leading the household, the church, the state.

Being ruled by women and children is a sign of being under judgment. Isaiah 3:12

More questionable, should women even vote? Do you think Clinton or Obama would have been elected without the women's vote? Would we have the current nanny state? Quit glaring at the screen, people.

yonah_mishael · Apr 23, 2015

And here I was laboring under the impression that misogyny was antiquated, immoral and offensive to all. Guess I was wrong its alive and well right here on the CF forum.

YESLORDIWILL · Apr 23, 2015

yonah_mishael said:
And here I was laboring under the impression that misogyny was antiquated, immoral and offensive to all. Guess I was wrong its alive and well right here on the CF forum.

Did you expect something different? Our instruction book says:

Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.(1 Timothy 2:11-14)

anisavta · Apr 23, 2015

And the fight is on!!!

JeffTheLearner · Apr 23, 2015

*shrugs* ...It's the fruits of one's philosophy that renders proof. Push whatever crafty rhetoric, and false accusations you like, the fruits never tell any lies.

I see much baby murder, many vulgar and perverted dikes marching up and down our streets as they parade in city squares (even in Tel Aviv), teaching sex ed and gender "neutrality" to elementary children in our schools, and in their media, where being a sexual pervert is equal to the ethnic struggles of people's hated for their heretical makeup ...yet many of the hard line feminist don't want a man, but yet they instead want a tyrannical government to loot the working to pay their bills. So to them the government has taken the place of the man they abandoned while their children are raised to inch our society closer, and closer to complete despotism.

Yeah, the fruit is what it is, and no childish blame games is ever going to change it.

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