My Alcohol Challenge

AV1611VET said:

Of course not.

No.

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You said you did a few posts ago...

AV1611VET said:

Wine.

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The kind of alcoholic wine that's mentioned -- without exception -- every time in the Bible? I thought you didn't believe in that?

Of course, you said you did a couple of posts before you said you didn't, so who (including yourself) knows what you believe?

AV1611VET said:

LOL -- solid aurum.

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The amount of mental gymnastics one must do to hold onto their personal interpretations of the bible are solid "aurum," indeed.

AV1611VET said:

They have to get off-topic somehow.

Otherwise they would have to admit my point; or else look ... well ... comical arguing root beer shouldn't be referred to as "beer;" even in a riddle.

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If you wanted to throw them for a loop you could say something like "Wow, I guess you guys are right after all - Jesus did turn water into wine! Thanks for converting to Christianity!"

AV1611VET said:

For the record, wine ≠ beer.

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For the record, your thread ≠ clever.

You know, for a guy who worships King James' Word, you're certainly not willing to trust Him when He tells you they drank wine at the wedding...

AV1611VET said:

Those men were probably already drunk.

To them, the grape juice would taste like fine wine.

Either that, or it was grape juice they had at the first, then wanted more.

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Is that what you honestly believe, AV, or is this what you feel you're supposed to believe in order to avoid admitting that the ancient Jews were known to occasionally drink (alcoholic) wine, including at wedding celebrations?

AV1611VET said:

Excuse me, but when we go to the grocery store and I tell my wife to get a bottle of wine, she knows exactly what I want: grape juice.

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Because she knows you well enough to understand your unusual phrasing. Most people will mean the alcoholic drink made by fermenting grapes when they say "wine". Using that word to mean "grape juice" is potentially unique to you or just very rare.

I wouldn't be shocked if you don't drink alcoholic beverages.

AV1611VET said:

I believe Jesus is the One here being accused of turning water into scientist-wine.

Yes, I believe they drank alcoholic wine at wedding celebrations, but when Jesus supplied the wine, it was of the non-alcoholic type.

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Why? Why wouldn't it be alcoholic? Last time I checked, Jesus wasn't a Muslim.

AV1611VET said:

Because drinking is a sin.

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I request the bible verse that says so.

AV1611VET said:

Proverbs 20:1 Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.

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I see no mention of sin.

(Also, I noticed that you didn't necro a very old thread this time, I hope you'll keep that standard)

AV1611VET said:

Excuse me,

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You're excused.

but when we go to the grocery store and I tell my wife to get a bottle of wine, she knows exactly what I want: grape juice.

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You've trained your wife well -- alas, you're neither St. John nor King James.

When one of them says wine and means grape juice, then your opinion will matter.

AV1611VET said:

Because drinking is a sin.

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No, drinking excessively is a sin.

1 Timothy 5:23 - Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.

Psalms 104:14-15 - He causeth the grass to grow for the cattle, and herb for the service of man: that he may bring forth food out of the earth; And wine [that] maketh glad the heart of man, [and] oil to make [his] face to shine, and bread [which] strengtheneth man's heart.

And -- although it should go without saying -- thou shalt not come to temple when verily sloshed.

Leviticus 10:8-10 And the LORD spake unto Aaron, saying, Do not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, nor thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation, lest ye die: [it shall be] a statute for ever throughout your generations: And that ye may put difference between holy and unholy, and between unclean and clean;