Praying for the Sick

Rose_bud · Apr 17, 2015

Oscarr said:
Paul says that in everything he has learned to be content. Contentment in Christ comes first. If you are identifying yourself as a sick person trying to get well, then you will be frustrated. But if you identify yourself as a child of God, a co-heir with Christ, accepted in the beloved, victorious over the devil, this will bring contentment whether you are sick or well. What you are doing is coming to a place of peace with God that whether you remain sick or get well, you are surrendered to His will, plan and purpose for your life.

Only God can heal you. It seems with all your pleading for God to heal you, you are asking for something that He has already provided through the Atonement. Isaiah said, "by His stripes you are healed", Matthew, after observing Jesus healing the sick, quoted Isaiah, "By His stripes we are healed." But Peter changes the quote by saying, "By His stripes you were healed." By putting healing into the past tense he is acknowledging that through the Atonement, healing is more than by faith in a promise, nor is it a future event, but it is a settled fact. Healing has now been provided. We can claim what is ours through the Atonement.

Now having said that, we cannot put God on a timetable nor can we give Him a time limit to do what we want Him to do. He is not a vending machine.

It is always His will to heal. Jesus demonstrated that in that He healed all who came to Him. Of course, we are not going to be as effective as He was, because we are still growing in grace and our minds are still developing to be conformed to that of Christ.

The best you can do is to stop begging and pleading for something He has already provided and to just accept that you were healed through the Atonement, and with faith and patience await the actual results in your body.

So what if you never get healed. Does that make you less of a child of God? Does that defeat you, or are you still more than a conqueror through Christ who loves you?

Now, having said that, I will make a statement.

I cast that spirit of infirmity out of you so that your medical condition is reversed and you totally recover.

I can say that because it is my responsibility to have the faith to declare your healing, and I have enough faith for both of us!

AMEN... SO BE IT...

Then the older son became angry and wouldnt go into the house. So his father came out and began to plead with him. But he answered his father, Listen! All these years Ive worked like a slave for you. Ive never disobeyed a command of yours. Yet youve never given me so much as a young goat for a festival so I could celebrate with my friends.But this son of yours spent your money on prostitutes, and when he came back, you killed the fattened calf for him!
His father told him, My child, you are always with me, and everything I have is yours

whatfor · Apr 18, 2015

Hi Oscar , do you mind if I share your OP on another Christian site?

Presbyterian Continuist · Apr 18, 2015

whatfor said:
Hi Oscar , do you mind if I share your OP on another Christian site?

No probs. Go right ahead! :wave:

whatfor · Apr 19, 2015

Thanks

CGL1023 · Apr 20, 2015

One generally overlooked fact is that is that practicing Christians can choose sickness, disease, poverty or oppression by De 30:19, though they don't even know they are choosing.

Deuteronomy 30:19, King James Version (KJV)
19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

We see the instruction to 'choose life'... It is not hard to find a person who has not chosen life though they are not in the majority. That would make them susceptible to sickness etc and it would keep them from searching the scriptures to appropriate the healing that is theirs already.

A related, second instruction is to be an overcomer; see Rev 12:11a.

Revelation 12:11, King James Version (KJV)
11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

anewman1993 · Apr 21, 2015

CGL1023 said:
One generally overlooked fact is that is that practicing Christians can choose sickness, disease, poverty or oppression by De 30:19, though they don't even know they are choosing.

Deuteronomy 30:19, King James Version (KJV)
19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

We see the instruction to 'choose life'... It is not hard to find a person who has not chosen life though they are not in the majority. That would make them susceptible to sickness etc and it would keep them from searching the scriptures to appropriate the healing that is theirs already.

A related, second instruction is to be an overcomer; see Rev 12:11a.

Revelation 12:11, King James Version (KJV)
11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

This is easy to say but rules out people like myself, I seek god, I love god, and Ive almost daily called on god to heal me of my recuring sickness, which keeps me from even working a job. For all practicle purposes I'm allergic to anything. If this verse is true, than anyone who needs glasses to see is choosing not to receive healing, if you need glasses, no amount of "choosing" life is going to change that, and sometime god allows us to go through struggles so we learn things. That passage in Deuteronomy is HORRIBLY out of context, god isn't talking to the modern christian, rather this is a specific conversation between god AND A CERTAIN group, to say this specifically applies to us is a GROSS misinterpetation of scripture. We can use that scripture to say that the character of God is one that would give life to his people if they choose it, but we CAN NOT say using that verse that its just there for us to grab if we want it, I assure you, if it was that easy to grab (or even extremely difficult for that matter) i would have been healed a long time ago.

Alithis · Apr 22, 2015

anewman1993 said:
This is easy to say but rules out people like myself, I seek god, I love god, and Ive almost daily called on god to heal me of my recuring sickness, which keeps me from even working a job. For all practicle purposes I'm allergic to anything. If this verse is true, than anyone who needs glasses to see is choosing not to receive healing, if you need glasses, no amount of "choosing" life is going to change that, and sometime god allows us to go through struggles so we learn things. That passage in Deuteronomy is HORRIBLY out of context, god isn't talking to the modern christian, rather this is a specific conversation between god AND A CERTAIN group, to say this specifically applies to us is a GROSS misinterpetation of scripture. We can use that scripture to say that the character of God is one that would give life to his people if they choose it, but we CAN NOT say using that verse that its just there for us to grab if we want it, I assure you, if it was that easy to grab (or even extremely difficult for that matter) i would have been healed a long time ago.

"Behold, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh; is anything too difficult for Me?

SavedByGrace3 · Apr 22, 2015

I do not push prosperity as much as I push healing... but it is hard to ignore some plain scriptures.

2 Corinthians 1:20
20 For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.

2 Peter 1:3
3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

3 John 1:2
2 Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.

Romans 8:32
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

1 Corinthians 3:21-22
21 Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are yours;
22 Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are yours;

The most powerful teaching to the NT in this area is health for believers in communion.
If you discern the Lord's body, you will not be sick, weak, and you will not die young.
Healing is included in the atonement just as salvation is. And like salvation, you have to incorporate that belief into your faith. It is not automatic. It is possible for believers to miss it concerning the body of the Lord, and be sick, weak, and even die young.

1 Corinthians 11:29-30
29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

anewman1993 · Apr 22, 2015

Alithis said:
"Behold, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh; is anything too difficult for Me?

I'm not saying he CAN'T, or even that he WON'T but that sometimes he just DOESN'T and its not right to say he will automatically do something especially when twisting scripture to say that. You can make a LOT of arguments for healing, I'm not arguing against that, you can even argue you have a RIGHT to it, but what you can't do is say that its just a matter of you, God may not give it to you when you ask right when you ask.

The most powerful teaching to the NT in this area is health for believers in communion.
If you discern the Lord's body, you will not be sick, weak, and you will not die young.
Healing is included in the atonement just as salvation is. And like salvation, you have to incorporate that belief into your faith. It is not automatic. It is possible for believers to miss it concerning the body of the Lord, and be sick, weak, and even die young.

this sound good on paper but not in practice, as someone who use to fully belive this, its simply not true. yes healing is true, but we don't control god, for whatever reason, he may allow certain things to stay in your life, its not due to a lack of faith, lack of trying to "claim" it, or anything like that, sometimes, god simply is not going to heal you, at least not right them, I look forward to a new body, because THEN I will 100% be healed, but I have no complete guarantee of it in this life.

SavedByGrace3 · Apr 22, 2015

anewman1993 said:
this sound good on paper but not in practice, as someone who use to fully belive this, its simply not true. yes healing is true, but we don't control god, for whatever reason, he may allow certain things to stay in your life, its not due to a lack of faith, lack of trying to "claim" it, or anything like that, sometimes, god simply is not going to heal you, at least not right them, I look forward to a new body, because THEN I will 100% be healed, but I have no complete guarantee of it in this life.

The thing about walking by sight (by experience that is) is that you are taking sides against the word (the paper and the Spirit). If the word says it, it is true regardless of what experience you may have. The word says in Hebrews that some people believed all their lives and never experienced the thing promised. But they still held fast to the confession of their faith. This is what faith is. It is walking according to what the word says, not by sight.
More important than experience is pleasing God. That means knowing that He is and that He is a rewarder of those that diligently seek Him.
I know myself I have held fast to the confession of His word for years in some areas, and never experienced it in the natural.
It is more important to please God by saying "We are well able to take the land." Anything other than that is called a "wicked" confession.
That is what pleases God... to walk in faith regardless of the outward manifestation.
Healing by the atonement is not something God is going to undo. He is not going to remove your healing from the body of Jesus on the cross. It is done. It is the new covenant law. It is just as sure as salvation. He would no more take healing and health out of the Word than He would salvation and the new birth. It is finished, and He is not backing up.
Can you imagine someone coming to Jesus for healing based on the word of atonement, and the Father leans over to Jesus and says:
"Sorry Son, I know you suffered immense pain and death so this person could be saved and healed, but I am not going to heal him... you suffered for nothing."
That is just how strong you have to sign on to the healing message. We cannot back up on Jesus on the cross no matter how bad we may feel. It is more important to stand fast to the confession of your faith and please God.
Paul also said in Hebrews that if we back up faith for salvation we are trampling the blood of Jesus under our feet, as if it were nothing to us. The same is true if we back up on faith for healing. We are essentially saying "The body of Jesus means nothing to me... I do not care about the suffering He endured for my healing."
I hope we do not go there!!!!

Dids

Merlin · Apr 22, 2015

anewman1993 said:
This is easy to say but rules out people like myself, I seek god, I love god, and Ive almost daily called on god to heal me

Perhaps, that is the problem. We are not told in the bible to call on God to heal us.
He has done his part. (ISA. 53:5 by his beatings we are cured).

of my recuring sickness, which keeps me from even working a job. For all practicle purposes I'm allergic to anything. If this verse is true, than anyone who needs glasses to see is choosing not to receive healing, if you need glasses, no amount of "choosing" life is going to change that,

Perhaps,you could seek why you do not heal rather than assuming you won't

and sometime god allows us to go through struggles so we learn things.

That passage in Deuteronomy is HORRIBLY out of context, god isn't talking to the modern christian, rather this is a specific conversation between god AND A CERTAIN group, to say this specifically applies to us is a GROSS misinterpetation of scripture. We can use that scripture to say that the character of God is one that would give life to his people if they choose it, but we CAN NOT say using that verse that its just there for us to grab if we want it, I assure you, if it was that easy to grab (or even extremely difficult for that matter) i would have been healed a long time ago.[/quote]

Alithis · Apr 22, 2015

anewman1993 said:
I'm not saying he CAN'T, or even that he WON'T but that sometimes he just DOESN'T and its not right to say he will automatically do something especially when twisting scripture to say that. You can make a LOT of arguments for healing, I'm not arguing against that, you can even argue you have a RIGHT to it, but what you can't do is say that its just a matter of you, God may not give it to you when you ask right when you ask.

this sound good on paper but not in practice, as someone who use to fully belive this, its simply not true. yes healing is true, but we don't control god, for whatever reason, he may allow certain things to stay in your life, its not due to a lack of faith, lack of trying to "claim" it, or anything like that, sometimes, god simply is not going to heal you, at least not right them, I look forward to a new body, because THEN I will 100% be healed, but I have no complete guarantee of it in this life.

in blue is the part you need to change at a heart level. not an intellectual level.. God loves you .
God loves you God loves you - trust him because what is impossible for men is possible with God ..
you cannot make your declaration of faith be based on the essence and foundation of unbelief on one foot and belief on the other foot .
you base your hope of that eternal body upon what God has said.. and then with the other foot you disbelieve what "God has said .which way are you going to go?
im so sorry that it comes across so harsh sounding in text .. but James says .. "let not that man (who is double minded in just such a way) think he will receive anything from the lord . and those inspired words from James are true in your case it appears .. you have openly professed here a double mindedness ans testified how you have bot received ..
and i thank you for that honesty as it displays further the absolute truth of the Scriptures .
God loves you .. he has no desire that you remain ill . faith is coupled with patience & endurance .. the kingdom of heaven suffers violence and the violent take it by force ..i really have no direct idea what that means ,except i sense it is a concept of one who grasps hold and will not let go no matter what worldly evidence is thrown against him .
i sense it is the attitude of Jacob when he grasped hold of the angel of the lord and would not let go until the lord blessed him ..and hos named was changed to Israel ..loosely meaning - "triumphant with god " .would you be triumphant with god in this ? will you go over the Jordan to the promises and take that which is your right in Christ Jesus right out of the devils hands ? or sit in the wilderness complaining that there are giants over there and not believing god has already assured you the victory?

again i thank you for you honesty because it affords opportunity to look again into these things from this perspective as well that we all may learn from it .

for in your words the attitude displayed is as one who timidly knocked upon a door and then ran from it when it did not open .. But the lord Jesus said ... ASK and it shall (not might) be given unto you.. seek and you SHALL find ..KNOCK and the door will be opened unto you ..
will you turn (repent )from your dejected state which has surrendered to the lies of the giants in the land and put your trust fully (not half ) in the WORD of god
will you rise up and grasp with absolute trust (not effort note, .. but TRUST ,for he loves you so very much ) and not let go but knock on that door as one who absolutely knows the master of the house is on his way to open it .

i am being greatly challenged myself by what i am sharing here to you at this very moment, because all of us in varying ways have far more of the promised land to take a hold of in the Spiritual realm .
God loves you

you must repent of your stance that says .. "i have absolutely no guarantee of it in this life " because if that were true .. then neither do you have any guarantee of the next life .. because all you have to go on is what God has said (in Jesus) .if we are to believe him.. then we are to believe him through and through .
amen God bless you .

SavedByGrace3 · Apr 22, 2015

I recall when I first heard the message of salvation, healing and answered prayer.
Can this be true???? Wow.
The idea that all this has already been done for us. It is forever fixed in heaven.
It is odd when you first discover that what you need from God is there and has been all along. Salvation, healing, and answered prayer are no longer a matter of mercy... it is justice. If Jesus has already paid the price, then there is no need for mercy. Mercy was exercised at the cross... it is finished. Today when we pray, it is a matter of justice. Jesus has already paid the cost by His act of mercy. Today these things belong to us by virtue of what He did on the cross, in His death burial, and resurrection! Praise be to His name!
You do not have to beg.. that is almost an insult to His work! It would be a grave act of injustice for Him to have suffered and purchased all these things for us, and then us not receive them. What? He suffered and died for nothing?
He has already done, it. The thing to do now is to begin to confess His work and thank Him for giving you all things that pertain to life and godliness.

Presbyterian Continuist · Apr 22, 2015

I have found by personal experience that I tend to have a stronger faith to command another person's healing than my own. I have a sore knee, back and shoulder after my efforts at gym this week, and I have prayed for myself, but I still hobbled to the bus stop on my sore knee this morning. I told God that I seem to have more faith to pray for others than to get healing for myself. What I decided to do is to command my knee to recover anyway and then I said to the Lord, "What do I do now?" It seemed to come back to me, "Use faith and patience to wait for the result."

All we can do is to pray for the healing. That is all we are expected to do. The actual healing remains in God's domain. When the physical results don't happen right away, what can we do? We cannot heal ourselves by trying to believe as hard as we can, or confessing that we are healed when we are not, or trying to say that the symptoms are not real (which is Christian Science). All we can do is to hold to the Scripture: Through faith and patience we inherit the promises. If that is so for healing, then after being obedient by praying the prayer of faith (and by "prayer" I don't mean asking God for healing, but commanding it), then we wait for the Lord to bring the results.

There is no failure on our part if healing does not come right away. There is also no failure on God's part, because His ways are not our ways, and He has best reasons for everything He does, or does not do. Job had the right attitude: "God has given, and God has taken away, blessed be the name of the Lord." and, "Though He slay me, yet will I trust Him."

It is unwise to try and guess the reasons why healing does not come. Job's friends tried that, and God had to rebuke them. People will say that healing does not come because a person has sinned, or that it is not God's will, etc., but these are not based on Scripture.

Joel gave a prophecy about the coming of the Holy Spirit 800 years before it happened. It did not happen in his lifetime (obviously). He might have thought he was a false prophet for giving a prophecy that did not come to pass. Maybe his critics said the same to him. But it came to pass in God's time.

For those who try to give reasons for why God does not keep to our deadlines for the fulfilment of His promises, we can read what God said to Job: "Were you there when I laid the foundations of the world, when I put the stars in place? Why are you trying to give counsel without knowledge? (my paraphrase). We don't have enough knowledge about the ways of God to be able to give definitive answers about why God does not do what we want Him to do when we want Him to do it.

Faith is believing that God will keep His promises.
Patience is waiting for as long as it takes.

Alithis · Apr 22, 2015

Oscarr said:
I have found by personal experience that I tend to have a stronger faith to command another person's healing than my own. I have a sore knee, back and shoulder after my efforts at gym this week, and I have prayed for myself, but I still hobbled to the bus stop on my sore knee this morning. I told God that I seem to have more faith to pray for others than to get healing for myself. What I decided to do is to command my knee to recover anyway and then I said to the Lord, "What do I do now?" It seemed to come back to me, "Use faith and patience to wait for the result."

All we can do is to pray for the healing. That is all we are expected to do. The actual healing remains in God's domain. When the physical results don't happen right away, what can we do? We cannot heal ourselves by trying to believe as hard as we can, or confessing that we are healed when we are not, or trying to say that the symptoms are not real (which is Christian Science). All we can do is to hold to the Scripture: Through faith and patience we inherit the promises. If that is so for healing, then after being obedient by praying the prayer of faith (and by "prayer" I don't mean asking God for healing, but commanding it), then we wait for the Lord to bring the results.

There is no failure on our part if healing does not come right away. There is also no failure on God's part, because His ways are not our ways, and He has best reasons for everything He does, or does not do. Job had the right attitude: "God has given, and God has taken away, blessed be the name of the Lord." and, "Though He slay me, yet will I trust Him."

It is unwise to try and guess the reasons why healing does not come. Job's friends tried that, and God had to rebuke them. People will say that healing does not come because a person has sinned, or that it is not God's will, etc., but these are not based on Scripture.

Joel gave a prophecy about the coming of the Holy Spirit 800 years before it happened. It did not happen in his lifetime (obviously). He might have thought he was a false prophet for giving a prophecy that did not come to pass. Maybe his critics said the same to him. But it came to pass in God's time.

For those who try to give reasons for why God does not keep to our deadlines for the fulfilment of His promises, we can read what God said to Job: "Were you there when I laid the foundations of the world, when I put the stars in place? Why are you trying to give counsel without knowledge? (my paraphrase). We don't have enough knowledge about the ways of God to be able to give definitive answers about why God does not do what we want Him to do when we want Him to do it.

Faith is believing that God will keep His promises.
Patience is waiting for as long as it takes.

and trust bro

don't forget trust ..
recently i have also been healed again but during the process impatience and strife came .. i was, ...... how shall i put it, ..i was trying hard to be healed lol ..then my 2 yr old wanted milch (how he says" milk" ) .. he asked ..then he got impatient ..but never did he have any doubt that he would get it .. such unreasoned, unquestioning trust ..
so i apologized to the lord .. and i prayed" lord i asked you to heal me from this troubling pain (which i knew not the cause of ).. and lord since i asked i have tried and tried to be healed .. and the harder i try the more i'm not healed because i cannot will it into existence all i can do is trust you to be faithful to your word , so lord i repent of my efforts if "willing" .. i have asked and you wil do ,becaseu you love me "..and i relaxed and rested in trust ... yesterday i felt better ..today i feel wonderful ..
trust ..just trust .. he does LOVE US

believe ,and having believed .. stand fast , abide , endure ,(the patient endurance of the saints) .and trust.

Presbyterian Continuist · Apr 22, 2015

Alithis said:
and trust bro don't forget trust ..
recently i have also been healed again but during the process impatience and strife came .. i was, ...... how shall i put it, ..i was trying hard to be healed lol ..then my 2 yr old wanted milch (how he says" milk" ) .. he asked ..then he got impatient ..but never did he have any doubt that he would get it .. such unreasoned, unquestioning trust ..
so i apologized to the lord .. and i prayed" lord i asked you to heal me from this troubling pain (which i knew not the cause of ).. and lord since i asked i have tried and tried to be healed .. and the harder i try the more i'm not healed because i cannot will it into existence all i can do is trust you to be faithful to your word , so lord i repent of my efforts if "willing" .. i have asked and you wil do ,becaseu you love me "..and i relaxed and rested in trust ... yesterday i felt better ..today i feel wonderful ..
trust ..just trust .. he does LOVE US

believe ,and having believed .. stand fast , abide , endure ,(the patient endurance of the saints) .and trust.

Absolutely!!

anewman1993 · Apr 23, 2015

Alithis said:
for in your words the attitude displayed is as one who timidly knocked upon a door and then ran from it when it did not open .. But the lord Jesus said ... ASK and it shall (not might) be given unto you.. seek and you SHALL find ..KNOCK and the door will be opened unto you ..
will you turn (repent )from your dejected state which has surrendered to the lies of the giants in the land and put your trust fully (not half ) in the WORD of god

I don't know what to tell you, but I'm certainly not knocking timidly, Ive screamed, yelled, demanded, begged. If the analogy is "knocking at the door" then Ive beaten both hands bloody slamming my fist into the door, pulling at it, with a raw voice yelling, and practically strapped c4 to the thing to try to get through. Trust me, IVE TRIED. Ive prayed for it, Ive "claimed" it, Ive sought god, Ive fasted, I have done everything biblical and half a dozen things that I'm not even sure about. Ive thought I was healed only to get sick when I went back to eating normal food.

you must repent of your stance that says .. "i have absolutely no guarantee of it in this life " because if that were true .. then neither do you have any guarantee of the next life .. because all you have to go on is what God has said (in Jesus) .if we are to believe him.. then we are to believe him through and through .
amen God bless you

Nowhere in the bible am I promised my health in this life, I'm promised it, and I can make a strong case for healing, probably a stronger case THAN YOU or anyone else in this thread can (and I can do it without twisting scripture) and Ive prayed this arguments to god, Ive "wrestled" with him for this, Ive prayed and prayed and prayed, Ive had half a million people pray for me about it, and you know what? IVE GOTTEN WORSE, at times I can't leave my house for WEEKS at a time, I can't hold down a job or go to school in person. So no, its NOT getting better, and its not my fault, Ive done everything short of taking myself to a bridge and saying "god if you don't show up and heal me I'm throwing myself off" and then jumping. To assume its somehow my fault that I'm not healed is insulting both to my relationship with god and the bible.

Merlin said:
Perhaps,you could seek why you do not heal rather than assuming you won't

Oh I KNOW he is going to heal me, cause if he doesn't I'm probably not going to make it to 25 (i'm 22), realistically I shouldn't even be alive as it is and have almost starved to death. Trust me , when he called me into ministry I flat out told him I couldn't do it if he didn't heal me, cause its simply not possible. I KNOW he is going to heal me, if he wants me to ever have a sucessful ministry, I currently can't even get to church regurally on sunday morning, how am I to preach if I can't even show up once a week? The question isn't IF its WHEN, and HOW , through a doctor? through a miracle? something else? or will he just kinda leave me here in survival mode going crazy until he returns? (which for all I know could be before I'm done typing this).

didaskalos said:
I recall when I first heard the message of salvation, healing and answered prayer.
Can this be true???? Wow.
The idea that all this has already been done for us. It is forever fixed in heaven.
It is odd when you first discover that what you need from God is there and has been all along. Salvation, healing, and answered prayer are no longer a matter of mercy... it is justice. If Jesus has already paid the price, then there is no need for mercy. Mercy was exercised at the cross... it is finished. Today when we pray, it is a matter of justice. Jesus has already paid the cost by His act of mercy. Today these things belong to us by virtue of what He did on the cross, in His death burial, and resurrection! Praise be to His name!
You do not have to beg.. that is almost an insult to His work! It would be a grave act of injustice for Him to have suffered and purchased all these things for us, and then us not receive them. What? He suffered and died for nothing?
He has already done, it. The thing to do now is to begin to confess His work and thank Him for giving you all things that pertain to life and godliness.

Then please tell me why Ive not received the only 3(or recently 4) things Ive prayed for? Ive prayed for almost every day for around a year these things. More of the holy spirit and the ability to speak and hear clearly from god. To some degree he has blessed me in this way, a dream and a vision. However, there is still less clarity than I want and if I'm to function in ministry I need MORE clarity, I'll jump off a bridge if he tells me to,I have little regard for myself at this point, but to do so I need to be able to hear his voice clearly.The second is for a wife, I struggle with lust, the bibles solution is to find a wife, thats not the ONLY reason, or even the main reason, but its a strong one. I repetitively pray that he would quickly bring us together soon so we can start to get to know each other and move towards that in a way that brings him glory, I can't so much as MEET someone much less get a date (and believe me, I'm trying, I suck at it,but I'm trying,), and thirdly I pray (obviously) for healing as Ive discussed in this thread,and 4th in the last few weeks Ive prayed for happiness as Ive raelized I'm a deeply unhappy person, somewhat content in my misery, still able to give glory to god even when in so much pain suicide starts looking good (only till the bad attack is over) but fundemtnally unhappy, not depressed, just not happy, I can count 2 times in the last year Ive been happy and remember it. I have a deep sense of satisfaction and peace in following god, but little to no happiness. So tell me, why hasn't god given me these 4 things if Ive prayed for them and its justice for him to give them to me as his son? I know he CAN come through, he has, Ive seen it, and miracles, I'm not doubting he can, or even is willing in some cases, but he obviously isn't in mine since its NOT HAPPENING.

Oscarr said:
All we can do is to hold to the Scripture: Through faith and patience we inherit the promises. If that is so for healing, then after being obedient by praying the prayer of faith (and by "prayer" I don't mean asking God for healing, but commanding it), then we wait for the Lord to bring the results.

Oh trust me, Ive done my fair share of "commanding" my body to be healed, I may have even tried commanding GOD to heal me based on scripture, didn't take me to long to realize how dumb I was trying to command God and repent. But Ive tried that, almost every day, for years.

Alithis · Apr 23, 2015

anewman1993 said:
I don't know what to tell you, but I'm certainly not knocking timidly, Ive screamed, yelled, demanded, begged. If the analogy is "knocking at the door" then Ive beaten both hands bloody slamming my fist into the door, pulling at it, with a raw voice yelling, and practically strapped c4 to the thing to try to get through. Trust me, IVE TRIED. Ive prayed for it, Ive "claimed" it, Ive sought god, Ive fasted, I have done everything biblical and half a dozen things that I'm not even sure about. Ive thought I was healed only to get sick when I went back to eating normal food.

Nowhere in the bible am I promised my health in this life, I'm promised it, and I can make a strong case for healing, probably a stronger case THAN YOU or anyone else in this thread can (and I can do it without twisting scripture) and Ive prayed this arguments to god, Ive "wrestled" with him for this, Ive prayed and prayed and prayed, Ive had half a million people pray for me about it, and you know what? IVE GOTTEN WORSE, at times I can't leave my house for WEEKS at a time, I can't hold down a job or go to school in person. So no, its NOT getting better, and its not my fault, Ive done everything short of taking myself to a bridge and saying "god if you don't show up and heal me I'm throwing myself off" and then jumping. To assume its somehow my fault that I'm not healed is insulting both to my relationship with god and the bible.

Oh I KNOW he is going to heal me, cause if he doesn't I'm probably not going to make it to 25 (i'm 22), realistically I shouldn't even be alive as it is and have almost starved to death. Trust me , when he called me into ministry I flat out told him I couldn't do it if he didn't heal me, cause its simply not possible. I KNOW he is going to heal me, if he wants me to ever have a sucessful ministry, I currently can't even get to church regurally on sunday morning, how am I to preach if I can't even show up once a week? The question isn't IF its WHEN, and HOW , through a doctor? through a miracle? something else? or will he just kinda leave me here in survival mode going crazy until he returns? (which for all I know could be before I'm done typing this).

Then please tell me why Ive not received the only 3(or recently 4) things Ive prayed for? Ive prayed for almost every day for around a year these things. More of the holy spirit and the ability to speak and hear clearly from god. To some degree he has blessed me in this way, a dream and a vision. However, there is still less clarity than I want and if I'm to function in ministry I need MORE clarity, I'll jump off a bridge if he tells me to,I have little regard for myself at this point, but to do so I need to be able to hear his voice clearly.The second is for a wife, I struggle with lust, the bibles solution is to find a wife, thats not the ONLY reason, or even the main reason, but its a strong one. I repetitively pray that he would quickly bring us together soon so we can start to get to know each other and move towards that in a way that brings him glory, I can't so much as MEET someone much less get a date (and believe me, I'm trying, I suck at it,but I'm trying,), and thirdly I pray (obviously) for healing as Ive discussed in this thread,and 4th in the last few weeks Ive prayed for happiness as Ive raelized I'm a deeply unhappy person, somewhat content in my misery, still able to give glory to god even when in so much pain suicide starts looking good (only till the bad attack is over) but fundemtnally unhappy, not depressed, just not happy, I can count 2 times in the last year Ive been happy and remember it. I have a deep sense of satisfaction and peace in following god, but little to no happiness. So tell me, why hasn't god given me these 4 things if Ive prayed for them and its justice for him to give them to me as his son? I know he CAN come through, he has, Ive seen it, and miracles, I'm not doubting he can, or even is willing in some cases, but he obviously isn't in mine since its NOT HAPPENING.

Oh trust me, Ive done my fair share of "commanding" my body to be healed, I may have even tried commanding GOD to heal me based on scripture, didn't take me to long to realize how dumb I was trying to command God and repent. But Ive tried that, almost every day, for years.

you ask .."Then please tell me why I've not received "?

but in this post alone, let alone all the others, you have done little else but preach the reason.. .. you have formed every argument in opposition that you can come up with and base all your experience and lack of it upon that which is not as that which cannot be .you have such faith that it cannot be .and it is just so..
the principles of faith fully at work .you are filled with reason against Gods word . bro..let go and trust him .

SavedByGrace3 · Apr 23, 2015

Let me ask you what does this say:

1 Peter 2:24
24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

What does it mean to you when it says "by whose stripes ye WERE healed?"

Why do you think He did not do what He said He did here?

Part of my work for the Lord is as a faith diagnostician. When faith does not seem to be working for someone, I try to find out why.
The first rule, and the most important, and the one most people miss, is that God's will in not on the list of possible wrongs. If He has already done it then cross that off the list. That part is done. The most common issue I find is that people do not agree with Him. They contradict did Him by thinking and saying things like "Why does He not heal me? Why am I not healed?"
They stand up before the blood, body, and name of Jesus, and boldly pronounce that He did not do what the Word says He has already done.
A person really cannot continually contradict what He said and ever come to the place where faith will work. Faith says "Yes He has."
Faith is the assurance of things not seen. If a person continually says
I am not
I am not
I am not
But the word says
Yes you are
Yes you are
Yes you are....
What are we to expect to happen?

anewman1993 said:
I don't know what to tell you, but I'm certainly not knocking timidly, Ive screamed, yelled, demanded, begged. If the analogy is "knocking at the door" then Ive beaten both hands bloody slamming my fist into the door, pulling at it, with a raw voice yelling, and practically strapped c4 to the thing to try to get through. Trust me, IVE TRIED. Ive prayed for it, Ive "claimed" it, Ive sought god, Ive fasted, I have done everything biblical and half a dozen things that I'm not even sure about. Ive thought I was healed only to get sick when I went back to eating normal food.

Nowhere in the bible am I promised my health in this life, I'm promised it, and I can make a strong case for healing, probably a stronger case THAN YOU or anyone else in this thread can (and I can do it without twisting scripture) and Ive prayed this arguments to god, Ive "wrestled" with him for this, Ive prayed and prayed and prayed, Ive had half a million people pray for me about it, and you know what? IVE GOTTEN WORSE, at times I can't leave my house for WEEKS at a time, I can't hold down a job or go to school in person. So no, its NOT getting better, and its not my fault, Ive done everything short of taking myself to a bridge and saying "god if you don't show up and heal me I'm throwing myself off" and then jumping. To assume its somehow my fault that I'm not healed is insulting both to my relationship with god and the bible.

Oh I KNOW he is going to heal me, cause if he doesn't I'm probably not going to make it to 25 (i'm 22), realistically I shouldn't even be alive as it is and have almost starved to death. Trust me , when he called me into ministry I flat out told him I couldn't do it if he didn't heal me, cause its simply not possible. I KNOW he is going to heal me, if he wants me to ever have a sucessful ministry, I currently can't even get to church regurally on sunday morning, how am I to preach if I can't even show up once a week? The question isn't IF its WHEN, and HOW , through a doctor? through a miracle? something else? or will he just kinda leave me here in survival mode going crazy until he returns? (which for all I know could be before I'm done typing this).

Then please tell me why Ive not received the only 3(or recently 4) things Ive prayed for? Ive prayed for almost every day for around a year these things. More of the holy spirit and the ability to speak and hear clearly from god. To some degree he has blessed me in this way, a dream and a vision. However, there is still less clarity than I want and if I'm to function in ministry I need MORE clarity, I'll jump off a bridge if he tells me to,I have little regard for myself at this point, but to do so I need to be able to hear his voice clearly.The second is for a wife, I struggle with lust, the bibles solution is to find a wife, thats not the ONLY reason, or even the main reason, but its a strong one. I repetitively pray that he would quickly bring us together soon so we can start to get to know each other and move towards that in a way that brings him glory, I can't so much as MEET someone much less get a date (and believe me, I'm trying, I suck at it,but I'm trying,), and thirdly I pray (obviously) for healing as Ive discussed in this thread,and 4th in the last few weeks Ive prayed for happiness as Ive raelized I'm a deeply unhappy person, somewhat content in my misery, still able to give glory to god even when in so much pain suicide starts looking good (only till the bad attack is over) but fundemtnally unhappy, not depressed, just not happy, I can count 2 times in the last year Ive been happy and remember it. I have a deep sense of satisfaction and peace in following god, but little to no happiness. So tell me, why hasn't god given me these 4 things if Ive prayed for them and its justice for him to give them to me as his son? I know he CAN come through, he has, Ive seen it, and miracles, I'm not doubting he can, or even is willing in some cases, but he obviously isn't in mine since its NOT HAPPENING.

Oh trust me, Ive done my fair share of "commanding" my body to be healed, I may have even tried commanding GOD to heal me based on scripture, didn't take me to long to realize how dumb I was trying to command God and repent. But Ive tried that, almost every day, for years.

anewman1993 · Apr 24, 2015

didaskalos said:
Let me ask you what does this say:

1 Peter 2:24
24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

What does it mean to you when it says "by whose stripes ye WERE healed?"

Why do you think He did not do what He said He did here?

I think he is referring to healing in a more general manner than specific illness, if he had already healed me WE WOULDN'T BE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION.

the most common issue I find is that people do not agree with Him. They contradict did Him by thinking and saying things like "Why does He not heal me? Why am I not healed?"
They stand up before the blood, body, and name of Jesus, and boldly pronounce that He did not do what the Word says He has already done

Maybe because if he had we wouldn't have this conversation? Seriously, if he had already healed me we wouldn't have this conversation I WOULDN'T BE SICK, and neither would you ever suffer so much as a cold.

A person really cannot continually contradict what He said and ever come to the place where faith will work. Faith says "Yes He has."

Faith says yes he CAN. Faith is acting on what he has said regardless of how it seems, it means I pray for healing, and when I don't get healed, I keep praying until he DOES heal me, and thats what I AM doing, but the fact I'm not healed does not automatically mean its MY fault, sometimes, god wants to wait, its narrow minded to assume because a person is sick its somehow there fault.

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