Muslim migrants throw Christians overboard

mindlight said:

Agreed and containment may well be the only viable practical strategy for now. But this problem will be solved at source or not at all. In my view the strategy is containment until the political capital exists to do something more long term. It is only a matter of time before some terrorist group goes a step too far and blows away all restraint from Western governments. When some idiot sets off a packet nuke in New York containment will not be enough of a response. In the meantime making allies with more moderate regimes in the Gulf that seem to be moving in the right direction is also a good idea.

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Ideologies can only be combatted by education and information - and a prerequisite for that to happen is identifying Islam to be the underlying ideology responsible for terrorism. The whole mantra of "Islam means peace" and "This has nothing to do with Islam" is being reiterated ad absurdum.

Of course not every Muslim advocates the killing of unbelievers, but neither did every Nazi approve of the killing of jews. However, the mere concept of dividing the world into "real" Muslims, some warped degenerate Muslims (Jews/Christians) and "polytheists" (or whoever doesn't fit the bill) is intrinsically dehumanizing.

There is not a single Islamic nation in which minorities are granted equal rights in citizenship and in which legislation is passed democratically. The only governments that remotely came close to that definition were secular dictatorships (Assad, Gaddhafi). Islam is first and foremost a political ideology and should therefore be subject to academic scrutiny, public discourse and harsh criticism - just like we criticise anarchists, communists and other ideological adherents.

mindlight said:

I was reading an article related to a book by a German journalist Juergen Todenhoefer who actually got inside the ISIS organisation for 10 days and then wrote a book on that.

ISIS 'more dangerous than people realize' - CNN.com

From his testimony about the level of passion in these guys and the convictions that they have I am not sure that there is anything a non Muslim Westerner could say to persuade them. It would take a Sunni Muslim of some scholarly weight to educate them and personally I would doubt that he would be able to deliver his theological critique without being killed.

So the education process is about having a proper perspective on these people in the West and also educating Muslims about what they believe. Suddenly the Iranians are our best friends on this one as they are the ISIS extermination list but they have zero influence in the Sunni world. Europeans and North Americans need to understand that the vision for us is also that we will be conquered and then if we fail to convert killed or forced to pay the Islamic tax.

That North Africa has now fallen to this political/theological ideology is the reason why these migrants come . Education is about opening peoples eyes to the threat - but at the end of the day it will require political and military action to resolve this as it always has with aggressive Islamic Caliphates / Mahdis etc.

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I agree with you in the sense that military action must be taken to protect minorities from genocide and to enable rescue actions like the ones we've seen in the Sinjar mountains.
Nazi Germany wasn't defeated in the classroom, but on the battlefield.
Nazism, however, lived on for a short amount of time, until a systematic approach with reeducation programs opened the eyes of an entire generation to the evil they permitted.

Similarly, we can bomb ISIS, Khorasan, Al Qaeda, Al Nusra, Hamas and all the other terror groups from North Africa, to Palestine, to the Middle East, Russia, Southeast Asia to bits and pieces - it won't provide us with a prolonged and sustainable peace, however.
The fact that Muslims in the West secretly (or openly) applaud genocide, terror, and play down the brutality of their own ideology is not only a tragedy in a moral sense - but it is a danger to the very fabric of our society. Even on these forums, Muslims like LBAM freely voice their support of Al Qaeda, celebrating the violent takeover of Syrian villages by foreign fighters.

The West must realize that the time for geopolitical plays is long over - and that turning a blind eye to Islamic fundamentalism both at home and abroad is going to end us up with more problems than a rational competitor like Russia or the People's Republic of China. Instead of embracing global cooperation with these nations against a common enemy of humanity, we are following the insistive narrative that Islam is a religion of peace, only to justify continued antipathies towards striving secular economies because of fear of losing our predominate position in the global market.
In other words, we're not willing to sacrifice economic dominance for long term security.

Instead of developing domestic and international strategies to tackle the spread of this vile ideology, we're pointing our fingers at economic competitors and refusing to work together.

In short, US foreign policy (and EU foreign policy along with it) has bitterly failed. Domestic appeasement programs that actively deny the problems associated with an increasingly violent and segregated Muslim minority are creating more problems than they are supposedly solving.