Those Who Say Lord, Lord.

Souldier · Apr 16, 2015

didaskalos said:
Dropping back in the context even further.
I realize that many people consider the sermon on mount to be "a standard of Christian living." I do not see this. I see the sermon on the mount as part of Jesus' "repentance teaching."

While i dont quite understand everything you are saying i am puzzled by your first sentence. I think its a mistake to represent the sermon on the mount that way. The things the Lord teaches us in that sermon are very spiritual and are part of the Holy Spirits teaching that we are given. Paul reiterates those things himself and there is no reason to try and dissect it like its some man made theology. Its spiritual and its Gods word, His command. Look at the beatitudes. They are so very special and spiritual. That semon is so full of wisdom and good things we would only be wise to follow it, as Christ said himself. Paul told Timothy that we should agree with those words. Perhaps im only misunderstanding you, i admit im not sure what you are saying, but i must protest your representation of that sermon.

RDKirk · Apr 16, 2015

Speaking of trees.

My wife and I used to live in a house that had a number of quite old trees in the backyard. The house itself was fifty years old, and the trees predated it.

About the third summer we lived there, one of the trees produced pears. We hadn't even realized it was a pear tree until then. Moreover, it was highly unusual for a pear tree even to live that long, much less produce fruit.

But there it was, an old pear tree producing fruit after at least three years of being barren. And it was pretty good fruit, too.

At no time had that old tree ever produced crab apples or thorns or even mulberries. It didn't always produce fruit, but the fruit it produced was always what its genetics indicated: Pears.

Souldier · Apr 16, 2015

The beatitudes according to Paul (in my opinion)

2 Corinthians 12:9-11New King James Version (NKJV)

9 And He said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore most gladly I will rather boast in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. 10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in needs, in persecutions, in distresses, for Christ’s sake. For when I am weak, then I am strong..

Notice paul said that he found Gods grace in the things that he mentions. So we can say that Paul found blessing in those things

Now lets look at the beatitudes:

Matthew 5 The Beatitudes
5 And seeing the multitudes, He went up on a mountain, and when He was seated His disciples came to Him. 2 Then He opened His mouth and taught them, saying:

3 “Blessed are the poor in spirit,
For theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4 Blessed are those who mourn,
For they shall be comforted.
5 Blessed are the meek,
For they shall inherit the earth.
6 Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
For they shall be filled.
7 Blessed are the merciful,
For they shall obtain mercy.
8 Blessed are the pure in heart,
For they shall see God.
9 Blessed are the peacemakers,
For they shall be called sons of God.
10 Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness’ sake,
For theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11 “Blessed are you when they revile and persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely for My sake. 12 Rejoice and be exceedingly glad, for great is your reward in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

SavedByGrace3 · Apr 16, 2015

Souldier said:
While i dont quite understand everything you are saying i am puzzled by your first sentence. I think its a mistake to represent the sermon on the mount that way. The things the Lord teaches us in that sermon are very spiritual and are part of the Holy Spirits teaching that we are given. Paul reiterates those things himself and there is no reason to try and dissect it like its some man made theology. Its spiritual and its Gods word, His command. Look at the beatitudes. They are so very special and spiritual. That semon is so full of wisdom and good things we would only be wise to follow it, as Christ said himself. Paul told Timothy that we should agree with those words. Perhaps im only misunderstanding you, i admit im not sure what you are saying, but i must protest your representation of that sermon.

I understand... no problem.
Just recall who He is talking to at the time, and what He as attempting to accomplish throughout His ministry. Nobody was born again under the ministry of Jesus. Not one. Nobody could do the things Jesus was teaching. He was presenting the perfection of the Father. Anyone hearing His words and then looking at themselves would not be happy about what they saw. If they were honest they would come away from the sermon broken and hopeless. What Jesus was requiring of them was impossible.
Jesus called Peter, a "believer" - satan.
Jesus told believers they were of their father the devil.

Now, today, we can look at the sermon and see that we have been enabled, in our spirits, by the new birth, to become actual sons of God; not only in nature but in practice. Notice I said we have been enabled. We have that good tree in us now and we have the ability to never sin -IF we walk according to the inclinations of that new man. The audience at the mount were not so. They were all evil trees inside. This is what Jesus and John the B were trying to impress upon them. For them, the sermon on the month was death to the notion that they could be saved by the law and their outward works. That one phrase "be ye perfect as your heavenly Father" killed them all. But today, for us who possess the new life of God within our spirits, it is a possibility and a viable reality.

Peace.
Thanks for sharing...
Dids

SavedByGrace3 · Apr 16, 2015

RDKirk said:
Speaking of trees.

My wife and I used to live in a house that had a number of quite old trees in the backyard. The house itself was fifty years old, and the trees predated it.

About the third summer we lived there, one of the trees produced pears. We hadn't even realized it was a pear tree until then. Moreover, it was highly unusual for a pear tree even to live that long, much less produce fruit.

But there it was, an old pear tree producing fruit after at least three years of being barren. And it was pretty good fruit, too.

At no time had that old tree ever produced crab apples or thorns or even mulberries. It didn't always produce fruit, but the fruit it produced was always what its genetics indicated: Pears.

Nice.
This rings of 1 john 3 also.
Our born again spirit inherited the nature and ability of the Father. Spiritual genetics if you will.

1 John 3:9
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

The part of us that was born again is our spirit. People are tripped up because do not see John is only talking about our spirit here, not the whole man. The Greek word (genno) "born" here is where we derive the word "gene" and the Greek word (sperma) "seed" here is from where we get the word "sperm." This is truly spiritual genetics!
Just as that pear tree could never put forth anything but pears, your born again spirit can never put forth anything but righteousness and sinlessness.
Peace
Dids

SavedByGrace3 · Apr 16, 2015

Souldier said:
The beatitudes according to Paul (in my opinion)

Notice paul said that he found Gods grace in the things that he mentions. So we can say that Paul found blessing in those things

Now lets look at the beatitudes:
3 Blessed are the poor in spirit,
For theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4 Blessed are those who mourn,
For they shall be comforted.
5 Blessed are the meek,
For they shall inherit the earth.
6 Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
For they shall be filled.
7 Blessed are the merciful,
For they shall obtain mercy.
8 Blessed are the pure in heart,
For they shall see God.
9 Blessed are the peacemakers,
For they shall be called sons of God.
10 Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness sake,
For theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11 Blessed are you when they revile and persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely for My sake. 12 Rejoice and be exceedingly glad, for great is your reward in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

This is very good because this is a description of the man who has come to self realization and seen who and what he really is. He is ripe for faith for salvation because he is in the throws of godly sorrow! Excellent.
These words were not describing those people who were coming to Jesus and John claiming to be righteous by the law. John spoke to them and told them to go and not come back until they had the fruits of repentance, which was NOT the claim of having ceased from sin as some teach. Rather they were look for those who had truly repented, that is come to the realization of their true lost nature. As Jesus taught above,they would come poor in spirit, meek, looking for mercy, thirsting for the righteousness that they lacked. None of the people Jesus was talking to was pure in heart nor could they see God. What the heard here, if they were honest, were words that sparked them to the truth fruit of repentance, which was not being good, rather it was godly sorrow and the realization they could only be saved by grace through faith.
Today we read these words and we see possibility because we are on the other side of the cross and the resurrection (by which we obtain the new birth). Now these things are a reality to us who are born again. These words of the sermon got them looking. None of these worlds saved anyone. They set the standard, broke their hearts, and set them on the most important journey - seeking, thirsting, and looking for salvation.
They were ripe for the good news...

Souldier · Apr 16, 2015

didaskalos said:
I understand... no problem.
Just recall who He is talking to at the time, and what He as attempting to accomplish throughout His ministry. Nobody was born again under the ministry of Jesus. Not one. Nobody could do the things Jesus was teaching. He was presenting the perfection of the Father. Anyone hearing His words and then looking at themselves would not be happy about what they saw. If they were honest they would come away from the sermon broken and hopeless. What Jesus was requiring of them was impossible.
Jesus called Peter, a "believer" - satan.
Jesus told believers they were of their father the devil.

Now, today, we can look at the sermon and see that we have been enabled, in our spirits, by the new birth, to become actual sons of God; not only in nature but in practice. Notice I said we have been enabled. We have that good tree in us now and we have the ability to never sin -IF we walk according to the inclinations of that new man. The audience at the mount were not so. They were all evil trees inside. This is what Jesus and John the B were trying to impress upon them. For them, the sermon on the month was death to the notion that they could be saved by the law and their outward works. That one phrase "be ye perfect as your heavenly Father" killed them all. But today, for us who possess the new life of God within our spirits, it is a possibility and a viable reality.

Peace.
Thanks for sharing...
Dids

Brother, i must disagree. Those things are not impossible to do. Those things teach us how to love, how to follow holiness by seeking the kingdom and how to think like a spiritual person. There are warnings in that sermon as well. Paul teaches us those very same things. Paul actually refers to some of those things directly in his letter to Timothy. That sermon is sound doctrine and its the Lords command. Its not at all what you have described. What you are saying is that its impossible to follow Pauls command too because Paul does teach those same things.

SavedByGrace3 · Apr 16, 2015

Souldier said:
Brother, i must disagree. Those things are not impossible to do. Those things teach us how to love, how to follow holiness by seeking the kingdom and how to think like a spiritual person. There are warnings in that sermon as well. Paul teaches us those very same things. Paul actually refers to some of those things directly in his letter to Timothy. That sermon is sound doctrine and its the Lords command. Its not at all what you have described. What you are saying is that its impossible to follow Pauls command too because Paul does teach those same things.

It is possible only because we are born again as a new, good tree. For the unregenerate... it is impossible.

Thanks
Dids

Souldier · Apr 16, 2015

didaskalos said:
This is very good because this is a description of the man who has come to self realization and seen who and what he really is. He is ripe for faith for salvation because he is in the throws of godly sorrow! Excellent.
These words were not describing those people who were coming to Jesus and John claiming to be righteous by the law. John spoke to them and told them to go and not come back until they had the fruits of repentance, which was NOT the claim of having ceased from sin as some teach. Rather they were look for those who had truly repented, that is come to the realization of their true lost nature. As Jesus taught above,they would come poor in spirit, meek, looking for mercy, thirsting for the righteousness that they lacked. None of the people Jesus was talking to was pure in heart nor could they see God. What the heard here, if they were honest, were words that sparked them to the truth fruit of repentance, which was not being good, rather it was godly sorrow and the realization they could only be saved by grace through faith.
Today we read these words and we see possibility because we are on the other side of the cross and the resurrection (by which we obtain the new birth). Now these things are a reality to us who are born again. These words of the sermon got them looking. None of these worlds saved anyone. They set the standard, broke their hearts, and set them on the most important journey - seeking, thirsting, and looking for salvation.
They were ripe for the good news...

I disagree again. Jesus is giving blessings for the persecuted Church. He's not referring to self righteous people at all. You're completely misrepresenting the teaching of Christ.

Souldier · Apr 16, 2015

didaskalos said:
It is possible only because we are born again as a new, good tree. For the unregenerate... it is impossible.

Thanks
Dids

With respect, you have no idea what you're saying. We get blessed by following that teaching. The Lords blessings are found by following that teaching. Its not a rebuke of self righteous people but its a highly spiritual teaching full of the Lords blessings. We grow by obeying that teaching. We will not be perfect at it but we will grow in the spirit and will be blessed by following those things.

SavedByGrace3 · Apr 16, 2015

Souldier said:
I disagree again. Jesus is giving blessings for the persecuted Church. He's not referring to self righteous people at all. You're completely misrepresenting the teaching of Christ.

The church did not exist at the time that Jesus spoke these words.

SavedByGrace3 · Apr 16, 2015

Souldier said:
I disagree again. Jesus is giving blessings for the persecuted Church. He's not referring to self righteous people at all. You're completely misrepresenting the teaching of Christ.

This clearly is speaking to self righteous men and those attempting to achieve righteousness by outward observance to the law:

Mat 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
Mat 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
Mat 5:23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;
Mat 5:24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.
Mat 5:25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.
Mat 5:26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.
Mat 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
Mat 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
Mat 5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
Mat 5:30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
Mat 5:31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:
Mat 5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
Mat 5:33 Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:
Mat 5:34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:
Mat 5:35 Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.
Mat 5:36 Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.
Mat 5:37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.
Mat 5:38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
Mat 5:39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
Mat 5:40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also.
Mat 5:41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.
Mat 5:42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.
Mat 5:43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
Mat 5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
Mat 5:46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
Mat 5:47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
Mat 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

All of this was impossible for those who were hearing. Today it is good and possible for us who are born again. To them... it was a revelation of their inner man, fallen, evil, and lost.

RDKirk · Apr 16, 2015

didaskalos said:
The church did not exist at the time that Jesus spoke these words.

And yet, Jesus directly referenced the church as something that "was not as though it was" (see Matthew 18). Jesus knew the church would be in existence within a couple of years at most, so there is no reason to think He was not giving instructions to be followed by the church.

Souldier · Apr 16, 2015

didaskalos said:
The church did not exist at the time that Jesus spoke these words.

1 Timothy 6:3-10 is a direct reference to the sermon on the mount. Paul is affirming the teaching of Christ found in Mathew chapter 6.

Alithis · Apr 16, 2015

didaskalos said:
This clearly is speaking to self righteous men and those attempting to achieve righteousness by outward observance to the law:

Mat 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
Mat 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
Mat 5:23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;
Mat 5:24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.
Mat 5:25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.
Mat 5:26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.
Mat 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
Mat 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
Mat 5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
Mat 5:30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
Mat 5:31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:
Mat 5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
Mat 5:33 Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:
Mat 5:34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:
Mat 5:35 Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.
Mat 5:36 Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.
Mat 5:37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.
Mat 5:38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
Mat 5:39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
Mat 5:40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also.
Mat 5:41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.
Mat 5:42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.
Mat 5:43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
Mat 5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
Mat 5:46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
Mat 5:47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
Mat 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

All of this was impossible for those who were hearing. Today it is good and possible for us who are born again. To them... it was a revelation of their inner man, fallen, evil, and lost.

im confused .. the last verse 5:48 may be impossible for us without Gods grace and power of transformation.. but the rest ? in what manner are they impossible ? (and yes ,this question is out of context to the reply your giving soldure) so feel free to ignore it lol.
its just that the lord Jesus did all these things. and he was a man like ourselves ..he was Simpy uncovering the truth of the matter that all outward sin begins inwardly and unless the inner is dealt with the outer will be a sham.

add: -the last part of my reply just now ..actually agrees with your post saying .it is a repentance teaching .i agree.. but i think it is of course ,..both

SavedByGrace3 · Apr 16, 2015

Alithis said:
im confused .. the last verse 5:48 may be impossible for us without Gods grace and power of transformation.. but the rest ? in what manner are they impossible ? (and yes ,this question is out of context to the reply your giving soldure) so feel free to ignore it lol.
its just that the lord Jesus did all these things. and he was a man like ourselves ..he was Simpy uncovering the truth of the matter that all outward sin begins inwardly and unless the inner is dealt with the outer will be a sham.

add: -the last part of my reply just now ..actually agrees with your post saying .it is a repentance teaching .i agree.. but i think it is of course ,..both

Thanks AL...
The entire issue was that all the people Jesus was talking to at that time were children of the devil and completely incapable of doing these things from the heart. All of these things fall under that one condition - that they be perfect as God. They could never do it. Only after they were born of God could they do these things. Nobody was born of God until after the death burial and resurrection Jesus. To them these things were a dream, a prayer if you will. Unattainable for them at that time.
Blessings!
Dids

Alithis · Apr 16, 2015

didaskalos said:
Thanks AL...
The entire issue was that all the people Jesus was talking to at that time were children of the devil and completely incapable of doing these things from the heart. All of these things fall under that one condition - that they be perfect as God. They could never do it. Only after they were born of God could they do these things. Nobody was born of God until after the death burial and resurrection Jesus. To them these things were a dream, a prayer if you will. Unattainable for them at that time.
Blessings!
Dids

yes .. i got ya

..
these things for some were also ..a thirst .a thirst for righteousness and the Lord Jesus is our Quencher

Souldier · Apr 16, 2015

Paul is clearly affirming the teaching of Christ. You guys are misrepresenting the doctrine of Godliness that Paul is referring to. You dont know what you are talking about. The Lords sheep know his voice and follow it.

Mathew 6:19 “Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal; 20 but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. 21 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

5 “Therefore I say to you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or what you will drink; nor about your body, what you will put on. Is not life more than food and the body more than clothing? 26 Look at the birds of the air, for they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they? 27 Which of you by worrying can add one cubit to his stature?

28 “So why do you worry about clothing? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin; 29 and yet I say to you that even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. 30 Now if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today is, and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will He not much more clothe you, O you of little faith?

31 “Therefore do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ 32 For after all these things the Gentiles seek. For your heavenly Father knows that you need all these things. 33 But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you. 34 Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about its own things. Sufficient for the day is its own trouble.

1 Timothy 6:3 If anyone teaches otherwise and does not consent to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which accords with godliness, 4 he is proud, knowing nothing, but is obsessed with disputes and arguments over words, from which come envy, strife, reviling, evil suspicions, 5 useless wranglings[a] of men of corrupt minds and destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain. From such withdraw yourself.

6 Now godliness with contentment is great gain. 7 For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain[c] we can carry nothing out. 8 And having food and clothing, with these we shall be content. 9 But those who desire to be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and harmful lusts which drown men in destruction and perdition. 10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil, for which some have strayed from the faith in their greediness, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

Presbyterian Continuist · Apr 16, 2015

Alithis said:
yes .. i got ya ..
these things for some were also ..a thirst .a thirst for righteousness and the Lord Jesus is our Quencher

Yes. If we are still hungering and thirsting after righteousness it means that we still need to be converted to Christ and be born again. Once a person is born again, they are clothed with the righteousness of Christ, and therefore they don't have to hunger and thirst after something they now have.

Alithis · Apr 16, 2015

Souldier said:
Paul is clearly affirming the teaching of Christ. You guys are misrepresenting the doctrine of Godliness that Paul is referring to. You dont know what you are talking about. The Lords sheep know his voice and follow it.

Mathew 6:19 Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal; 20 but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. 21 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

5 Therefore I say to you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or what you will drink; nor about your body, what you will put on. Is not life more than food and the body more than clothing? 26 Look at the birds of the air, for they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they? 27 Which of you by worrying can add one cubit to his stature?

28 So why do you worry about clothing? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin; 29 and yet I say to you that even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. 30 Now if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today is, and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will He not much more clothe you, O you of little faith?

31 Therefore do not worry, saying, What shall we eat? or What shall we drink? or What shall we wear? 32 For after all these things the Gentiles seek. For your heavenly Father knows that you need all these things. 33 But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you. 34 Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about its own things. Sufficient for the day is its own trouble.

1 Timothy 6:3 If anyone teaches otherwise and does not consent to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which accords with godliness, 4 he is proud, knowing nothing, but is obsessed with disputes and arguments over words, from which come envy, strife, reviling, evil suspicions, 5 useless wranglings[a] of men of corrupt minds and destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain. From such withdraw yourself.

6 Now godliness with contentment is great gain. 7 For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain[c] we can carry nothing out. 8 And having food and clothing, with these we shall be content. 9 But those who desire to be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and harmful lusts which drown men in destruction and perdition. 10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil, for which some have strayed from the faith in their greediness, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

do you realize Paul only speaks of heaven about twice ... in the mean time its all about occupying until the lord comes .

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