My Goosenecks challenge.

AV1611VET said:

Who's "we"?

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wee wee wee laddie wee

AV1611VET said:

I used basic physics when I said the water did the etching.

Like using a power sprayer to make a serpentine design in dirt.

Notice too that, implicit in the challenge, is a global Flood?

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No,no,no,no,no, baking power!

AV1611VET said:

I used basic physics when I said the water did the etching.

Like using a power sprayer to make a serpentine design in dirt.

Notice too that, implicit in the challenge, is a global Flood?

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Rain does not produce serpentine patterns like an aimed power sprayer.

lewiscalledhimmaster said:

wee wee wee laddie wee

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Well wee, wee, laddie, and wee can't tell when a challenge has been met, can they?

Unless maybe the challenge was meant to be a springboard for venting & ridicule.

Loudmouth said:

Rain does not produce serpentine patterns like an aimed power sprayer.

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Did I say the rain did it?

Here it is again ...

Psalm 104:6 Thou coveredst it with the deep as with a garment: the waters stood above the mountains.
Psalm 104:7 At thy rebuke they fled; at the voice of thy thunder they hasted away.

I'm sure anything in the way of all that water cutting a hasty path to a "siphoning point" would be reduced to molecules.

I was in the Navy and saw a demonstration by the fire brigade.

Have you ever seen a high pressure hose spouting water on its own?

It takes a six-man team to hold that thing in place.

On its own, it can kill a man instantly; and if it gets away from the men holding it, it can kill all six of them before they get out of the way.

AV1611VET said:

Did I say the rain did it?

Here it is again ...

Psalm 104:6 Thou coveredst it with the deep as with a garment: the waters stood above the mountains.
Psalm 104:7 At thy rebuke they fled; at the voice of thy thunder they hasted away.

I'm sure anything in the way of all that water cutting a hasty path to a "siphoning point" would be reduced to molecules.

I was in the Navy and saw a demonstration by the fire brigade.

Have you ever seen a high pressure hose spouting water on its own?

It takes a six-man team to hold that thing in place.

On its own, it can kill a man instantly; and if it gets away from the men holding it, it can kill all six of them before they get out of the way.

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Tick-tick-tick-bang!!!!

AV1611VET said:

Well wee, wee, laddie, and wee can't tell when a challenge has been met, can they?

Unless maybe the challenge was meant to be a springboard for venting & ridicule.

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-- goodnight Necroman

AV1611VET said:

(And for the record, I'm not an advocate of a young earth.)

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AV1611VET said:

Did I say the rain did it?

Here it is again ...

Psalm 104:6 Thou coveredst it with the deep as with a garment: the waters stood above the mountains.
Psalm 104:7 At thy rebuke they fled; at the voice of thy thunder they hasted away.

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Where does it say that serpentine paths were cut by water moving perpendicular to the ground? You seem to be making that part up. If they fled from the moutains then they would be moving parallel with the ground. Fast moving water would cut parallel and braided channels, not a single, meandering channel. When fast moving water hits an obstacle it goes around the obstacle. It doesn't stop, go the opposite direction, and then loop around.

I was in the Navy and saw a demonstration by the fire brigade.

Have you ever seen a high pressure hose spouting water on its own?

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Have you ever seen a meandering canyon caused by the breach of a dam?

Loudmouth said:

Where does it say that serpentine paths were cut by water moving perpendicular to the ground?

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LOL

Playing your trump card now?

Like that guy a few months ago that got on me about the second coming of Jesus, because the words "second" and "coming" weren't side-by-side in the Bible?

Loudmouth said:

You seem to be making that part up.

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Well, I quote the Bible to justify it.

And if you're the type that doesn't believe the Bible, then what does it matter who made it up?

If it's made up, in your opinion, then it's made up.

Loudmouth said:

If they fled from the moutains then they would be moving parallel with the ground.

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For the third time:

If they followed a path predetermined by God, it could indeed follow a serpentine path.

Matthew 8:27 But the men marvelled, saying, What manner of man is this, that even the winds and the sea obey him!

If the sea of Galilee can obey God, I'm sure the Flood waters can also.

Loudmouth said:

Fast moving water would cut parallel and braided channels, not a single, meandering channel. When fast moving water hits an obstacle it goes around the obstacle. It doesn't stop, go the opposite direction, and then loop around.

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If God told the waters to form a cross, there would be a cross there.

If God told the waters to make a wagon wheel design -- believe me -- there would be a wagon wheel design.

If God told it to make a serpentine path (remember Genesis 3:1 I quoted), it would make a serpentine path.

Loudmouth said:

Have you ever seen a meandering canyon caused by the breach of a dam?

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No.

juvenissun said:

What is wrong with that?

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I'm just recalling what I heard him say, as it would be relevant to the question posed by the OP.

AV1611VET said:

They could have been carved when God ordered the water off the earth.

Genesis 8:3 And the waters returned from off the earth continually: and after the end of the hundred and fifty days the waters were abated.

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'could have'

AV1611VET said:

In other words, the waters went to a "siphoning point," where they were taken up and deposited elsewhere in the solar system (or wherever).

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"siphoning point" ? 'taken up'? 'and deposited elsewhere in the solar system' ? (or whatever) ?

I was told about your glorious theory, but seeing it up close is enough to keep me giggling all day long. Thanks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zf-fORxQvW0

Elvis just left the building, leaving a serpentine trail in his wake.

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or: Genesis 10 ESV

25 To Eber were born two sons: the name of the one was Peleg,c for in his days the earth was divided, and his brother’s name was Joktan.

or: Genesis 10:25 Commentaries: Two sons were born to Eber; the name of the one was Peleg, for in his days the earth was divided; and his brother's name was Joktan.

Pulpit Commentary


Verse 25. - And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg. "Division," from palg, to divide; cf. πέλαγος and pela gus, a division of the sea. For in his days was the earth divided. At the confusion of tongues (Bochart, Rosenmüller, Keil, Lange, Murphy); at an earlier separation of the earth's population (Delitzsch), of which there is no record or trace. And his brother's name was Joktan. Father of the Arabians, by whom he is called Kachtan.

or: Is the theory of Pangea possible? Does the Bible say that there was once a Pangea / Pangaea?

So, while Pangea is not explicitly mentioned in the Bible, the Bible does present the possibility of a Pangea. Whatever the case, either view presented above presents a viable explanation for how humanity and animals were able to migrate to continents now separated by vast oceans.

lewiscalledhimmaster said:

So, while Pangea is not explicitly mentioned in the Bible, the Bible does present the possibility of a Pangea. Whatever the case, either view presented above presents a viable explanation for how humanity and animals were able to migrate to continents now separated by vast oceans.

or:

It was a miracle.

or:

David Copperfield did it.


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Of the three: 1)Mother Nature, 2) Miracle, or 3) David Copperfield, the one one goes with says a lot about one.

AV1611VET said:

the one one goes with says a lot about one.

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AV1611VET said:

Well, I quote the Bible to justify it.

And if you're the type that doesn't believe the Bible, then what does it matter who made it up?

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"The Bible says so" is not an explanation.

If they followed a path predetermined by God, it could indeed follow a serpentine path.

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"God did it" is not an explanation.

I think the real question is not 'could God do it', but 'would God do it?"

What would be the point of deliberately molding the land (and everything else in the universe) to look exactly as it would if it were acted on by natural processes over vast timescales if none of that ever actually happened?

Consider the following scenario: A man leaves a fresh steak on his kitchen counter, and his dog in the backyard, then leaves the house. When he returns, the back door is open, there are muddy pawprints leading from it to the kitchen, more mud on the kitchen counter, and the steak is gone.

Someone accuses the man of leaving the back door unlocked so the dog could get in and eat the steak. He replies by saying that what must have happened was that a burglar snuck into his backyard, picked the lock, took prints of his dog's paws, put them in mud, placed them on the floor and the counter, and stole the steak and left. To defend this position, he points out that it's completely possible and that it can't be disproven.

But does that make it likely or sensible?

Strathos said:

What would be the point of deliberately molding the land (and everything else in the universe) to look exactly as it would if it were acted on by natural processes over vast timescales if none of that ever actually happened?

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As I said before, the streams are serpentine, which would link us back to:

Genesis 3:1a Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made.

If a picture is worth a thousand words, as they say, then this "picture" testifies that Satan was the reason for the Flood.

But modern scientists today call it "erosion," thus giving the illusion that 'it looks as if it was acted on by natural processes over vast timescales.'

We know it wasn't done by natural processes, because deep time is something the Bible does not allow for.

As far as your parenthetical ('everything else in the universe'), that's a story in itself.

If you read the book, God's Voice in the Stars, by Ken Fleming, he makes the point that the constellations and their decans were placed in the sky in such a way as the plan of salvation is given (Psalm 19:1-6).