Newtons riddle and possible 2nd stage of return of Elijah 2015

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Newtons riddle and possible 2nd stage of return of Elijah 2015




8:00 minutes to 11:00 tells the calculations of the two dates
[youtube]Isaac Newton's Brilliant Breakdown of Daniel's 70 weeks points to 2015: https://youtu.be/rd5VwlvcsVs[/youtube]



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I don't believe this will be Jesus but I do believe if newtons calculations are right it could be one of the two anointed......the one appears before the other and the one that appears first is elijah or as the jews know him messiah ben joseph....one of the two princes



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25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.


Daniel chapter 9 people there is no linquistic basis to add those two number the 49 and 62 and doing so does violence to the language of Daniel...those two numbers are separate and speak of the first coming and the second coming...62 weeks was fulfilled with the first coming and the......june 7 1967 began the 49 year count when Israel captured Jerusalem and the temple mount.........add the 49 years according to Newtons riddle to June 7 1967 and you use 360 prophetic days of years times 49 and you come up with 17640 days and from the day Jerusalem was captured til 17640 days later is the "day of atonement 2015"

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I don't believe this will be Jesus but I do believe if newtons calculations are right it could be one of the two anointed......the one appears before the other and the one that appears first is elijah or as the jews know him messiah ben joseph....one of the two princes

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Know and understand this: From the time the word goes out to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One, the ruler, comes, there will be seven 'sevens,' and sixty-two 'sevens.' It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of trouble.

New Living TranslationNow listen and understand! Seven sets of seven plus sixty-two sets of seven will pass from the time the command is given to rebuild Jerusalem until a ruler--the Anointed One--comes. Jerusalem will be rebuilt with streets and strong defenses, despite the perilous times.

English Standard VersionKnow therefore and understand that from the going out of the word to restore and build Jerusalem to the coming of an anointed one, a prince, there shall be seven weeks. Then for sixty-two weeks it shall be built again with squares and moat, but in a troubled time.

New American Standard Bible "So you are to know and discern that from the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince there will be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; it will be built again, with plaza and moat, even in times of distress.

King James BibleKnow therefore and understand, thatfrom the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Princeshall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

Holman Christian Standard BibleKnow and understand this: From the issuing of the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince will be seven weeks and 62 weeks. It will be rebuilt with a plaza and a moat, but in difficult times.

International Standard VersionSo be informed and discern that seven weeks and 62 weeks will elapse from the issuance of the command to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed Commander. The plaza and moat will be rebuilt, though in troubled times.

NET BibleSo know and understand: From the issuing of the command to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until an anointed one, a prince arrives, there will be a period of seven weeks and sixty-two weeks. It will again be built, with plaza and moat, but in distressful times.

GOD'S WORD® TranslationLearn, then, and understand that from the time the command is given to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the anointed prince comes, seven sets of seven time periods and sixty-two sets of seven time periods will pass. Jerusalem will be restored and rebuilt with a city square and a moat during the troubles of those times.

Jubilee Bible 2000Know therefore and understand that from the going forth of the word to cause the people to return and to build Jerusalem unto the Anointed {Heb. Messiah} Prince, there shall be seven weeks, and sixty-two weeks, while the street shall be built again and the wall, even in troublous times.

King James 2000 BibleKnow therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah, the Prince, shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublesome times.

American King James VersionKnow therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem to the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and three score and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

American Standard VersionKnow therefore and discern, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the anointed one, the prince, shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: it shall be built again, with street and moat, even in troublous times.

Douay-Rheims BibleKnow thou therefore, and take notice: that from the going forth of the word, to build up Jerusalem again, unto Christ the prince, there shall be seven weeks, and sixty-two weeks: and the street shall be built again, and the walls in straitness of times

. Darby Bible TranslationKnow therefore and understand: From the going forth of the word to restore and to build Jerusalem unto Messiah, the Prince, are seven weeks, and sixty-two weeks. The street and the moat shall be built again, even in troublous times.

English Revised VersionKnow therefore and discern, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the anointed one, the prince, shall be seven weeks: and threescore and two weeks, it shall be built again, with street and moat, even in troublous times.

Webster's Bible TranslationKnow therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem to the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and sixty and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

World English BibleKnow therefore and discern, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem to the Anointed One, the prince, shall be seven weeks, and sixty-two weeks: it shall be built again, with street and moat, even in troubled times.

Young's Literal TranslationAnd thou dost know, and dost consider wisely, from the going forth of the word to restore and to build Jerusalem till Messiah the Leader is seven weeks, and sixty and two weeks: the broad place hath been built again, and the rampart, even in the distress of the times.
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Could this be the 2nd stage of Elijahs appearance...the first was in an unholy way to the jewish people(internet)and will reveal himself to a few people...then the 2nd stage he will be revealed to the whole nation...will it happen on the "DAY OF ATONEMENT" September 23 2015?

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The anointed one that is coming possibly September 23 2015 will end up as the one in charge of the levitic preisthood on earth as Ezekiel tells us will be on earth during the millennium



















The most prominent feature of Millennial Israel will be its Temple, so in our search for an answer, let’s begin there. The Temple will have an outer court and an inner court. Each has gates facing East, North and South. Inside each inner gate is a room for preparing animal sacrifices (Ezek. 40:38-39), which will clearly be the order of the day during the Kingdom Age. There will be sacrifices for the year, the month, the week, and the day, in addition to those for the three remaining Levitical Feasts, Passover (bulls and goats but no lamb), Unleavened Bread, and Tabernacles. These are all discussed in detail in Ezekiel 45:13 – 46:15.

So now we know that animals will be sacrificed regularly through out the Millennium. They’ll be called sin offerings, guilt offerings and burnt offerings, just like in Leviticus. What Ezekiel didn’t discuss is why they’ll still be necessary. For that we have to look other places.
It’s The Law

First, a little review. The Old Testament sacrifices, though required, were only of benefit to those who understood their symbolic purpose. In Psalm 51:16-17 David wrote,

You do not delight in sacrifice, or I would bring it; you do not take pleasure in burnt offerings. The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit; a broken and contrite heart, O God, you will not despise.

Unless they were presented with the proper attitude, animal sacrifices were not pleasing to God. Men who offered sacrifices had to admit their fallen nature and believe that the animals they were offering symbolized a coming Redeemer who would one day restore them.

But over time the motive was forgotten and just the motions remained. In Isaiah 29:13 God said,

“These people come near to me with their mouth and honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. Their worship of me is made up only of rules taught by men.”

And in Isaiah 66:2-3 He explained just how repulsive the sacrifices are without contrition and faith, the only proper motives.

“This is the one I esteem: he who is humble and contrite in spirit, and trembles at my word. But whoever sacrifices a bull is like one who kills a man, and whoever offers a lamb, like one who breaks a dog’s neck; whoever makes a grain offering is like one who presents pig’s blood, and whoever burns memorial incense, like one who worships an idol.”

From these examples, it’s clear that Old Testament believers were required to offer sacrifices both as an admission of their sinfulness and of their belief that a Redeemer was coming to save them. While the Law of the Lord is perfect (Psalm 19:7) natural man cannot keep it. Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by keeping the Law. Rather, through the Law we become conscious of sin. (Romans 3:20) The Law was given to teach us that we can’t meet its requirements and need a Savior to redeem us from its penalty. We can’t do it ourselves.
Then Comes Grace

The Age of Grace began at Pentecost and will end at the Rapture. This makes sense when you consider that in Ephesians 2:7 Paul said that through the Church God wants to demonstrate the incomparable riches of His grace in the ages yet to come. To accomplish this, He made our relationship with Him different than anyone else’s before or after. In Ephesians 3:8-10 Paul said that he was chosen by God to preach the unsearchable riches of Christ to the Gentiles. This was a mystery in the past, but God’s intent was that now, through the church, His manifold wisdom would be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realm. That means angels, both faithful and fallen, learn something of God’s wisdom by studying the Church.

So both the angels in Heaven and future generations of men on Earth will see in the Church the perfection of God’s love. In Ephes. 2:10 Paul called the Church God’s workmanship. The Greek word means to make something from something else. It’s used only twice in the New Testament and both times it describes the work of God as our Creator.

In our case, He took something worthless and made it into something priceless. He forgave all of our sins in advance, (Col. 2:13-15) making His pardon free for the asking (Matt. 7:7-8). When we ask, He begins from that moment on to see us as if we’re as righteous as He is, (2 Cor. 5:17,21) and guarantees our inheritance. (Ephes. 1:13-14) At the Rapture He’ll transform us to become in fact that which we already are is His sight. (1 Cor. 15:51-53) Then He’ll reward us with a portion of His inheritance (Gal. 4:7), and a seat with His Son in the heavenly realms, far above all rule and authority and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the present age but also in the one to come (Ephes. 1:20-21 & 2:6).

In the coming age, men on Earth will look up into the sky and see the New Jerusalem, home of the Church, in orbit nearby. It will be their source of light and though they’ll never be able to visit it, descriptions of its beauty and majesty will stagger their imaginations. All of creation will stand in awe of this display of the incomparable riches of God’s grace.

This is why the Church is God’s workmanship, not ours, and why the Bible is so clear on the fact that we can do nothing to earn or keep our salvation. In order to be the ultimate example of His grace, our salvation has to be 100% dependent on Him. Anything we do in an effort to help ourselves diminishes His workmanship. No other group in the history of man has deserved so little and been given so much, and that’s just the way He intended it.
Saved By Faith, Obedient To The Law






But that all comes to a crashing halt at the Rapture, because the Church Age didn’t end the Age of Law. It just interrupted it.






Even during Daniel’s 70th Week (the last 7 years of the Age of Law) it’s clear that life on Earth will be a lot more like it was in the Old Testament than it is in the New. For example, the Jews only need to build a Temple in order to conduct animal sacrifice. Their worship system requires it. Remember, in the middle of the 70th week the Abomination of Desolation will cause an end to the sacrifice and offering (Daniel 9:27). That means sacrifices will have begun again with the construction of the Temple, because they aren’t being done now.

In an earlier study, The Nature Of Post Church Salvation, I made the case that post Church believers, whether Jew or Gentile, will not enjoy the seal of the Holy Spirit as a guarantee of their inheritance. Eternal Security is a blessing for the Church alone and ends with the end of the Age of Grace at the Rapture. Two passages from Revelation illustrate this.

1. This calls for patient endurance on the part of the saints who obey God’s commandments and remain faithful to Jesus. (Rev. 14:12)

Speaking of the perilous times after the introduction of the Mark of the Beast, the Lord had John say that both obedience and faith will be required of Tribulation believers, whereas the Church is saved by grace through faith alone.

2. “Behold, I come like a thief! Blessed is he who stays awake and keeps his clothes with him, so that he may not go naked and be shamefully exposed.” (Rev. 16:15)

When used symbolically, clothing always stands for righteousness. Note that it’s the Tribulation believer’s responsibility to maintain his righteousness. It’s not imputed to him solely by faith as ours is.

Immediately after the 2nd Coming, the Temple will be cleansed and on Earth animal sacrifice will begin again. The fact that there were animal sacrifices before the Church and there will be animal sacrifices after the Church shows that they were not eliminated forever when Jesus came, but only suspended during the Age of Grace.

In the Millennium, the people of Earth will once again offer sacrifices in admission of their fallen state, just like in the Old Testament, but now it will also be evidence of their belief that the Redeemer has come.

I will proclaim the decree of the LORD : He said to me, “You are my Son; today I have become your Father. Ask of me, and I will make the nations your inheritance, the ends of the earth your possession. You will rule them with an iron scepter; you will dash them to pieces like pottery.”

Therefore, you kings, be wise; be warned, you rulers of the earth. Serve the LORD with fear and rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest he be angry and you be destroyed in your way, for his wrath can flare up in a moment. (Psalm 2:7-12)

So much for gentle Jesus meek and mild. And remember, in our recent study of Isaiah we saw that it won’t be just Israel that comes under the rule of the Lord, but the whole Earth.

In the last days the mountain of the LORD’s temple will be established as chief among the mountains; it will be raised above the hills, and all nations (Gentiles) will stream to it. (Isaiah 2:2)

The word mountain is symbolic of government. All of Earth will be a theocracy with the Lord as King.

Many peoples will come and say, “Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob. He will teach us his ways, so that we may walk in his paths.” The law will go out from Zion, the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. (Isaiah 2:3)

The Hebrew word translated Law in verse 3 is Torah. So the Law being spoken of here is the Law of Moses, and all the world will have to comply.

He will judge between the nations and will settle disputes for many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not take up sword against nation, nor will they train for war anymore. (Isaiah 2:4)

This verse is often quoted in the context of peace. But it also means that there won’t be any United Nations or World Court. Nor will any nation have the sovereign right to contend with another. The Word of the Lord will be the Law on Earth and there won’t be any recourse. This will be the Lord’s “New World Order” and He won’t brook any alternatives.

Zechariah also gives us a glimpse of His Millennial rule.

Then the survivors from all the nations that have attacked Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the LORD Almighty, and to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles. If any of the peoples of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD Almighty, they will have no rain. If the Egyptian people do not go up and take part, they will have no rain. The LORD will bring on them the plague he inflicts on the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles. This will be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles. (Zechariah 14:16-19)
But Why?

Seeing the emphasis given to the Law both before and after the Church only serves to underscore the the Lord’s declaration that He didn’t come to abolish the Law, but to fulfill it. (Matt. 5:17)



So, animal sacrifices have been suspended during the Church Age to demonstrate the extent of God’s grace. But our study of the Millennium shows that they weren’t eliminated forever. Here’s why.




When the Church studies Israel we see that man came to believe He didn’t need a Savior. He thought that keeping the Law and offering the sacrifices were sufficient payment for his sin, even though the Old Testament doesn’t teach that. When Millennial believers study the Church they’ll see that being freed from the Law and its sacrifices slowly took away our distaste for sin, allowing us to become far too comfortable in its presence, even though the New Testament doesn’t teach that either.

It seems like natural man needs both. Maybe, like Israel, he needs a strict application of God’s Law and the bloody, barbaric ritual that comes from his failure to keep it so he never forgets the awful consequences of sin. And maybe, like the Church, he needs to know for sure that God sent a Savior to do for him what he cannot do for himself. And that’s to save him from those consequences.

In Israel God demonstrated the perfection of His Law. In the Church He showed us the incomparable riches of His Grace. In the Millennium, the people of Earth will experience both simultaneously. You can almost hear the Footsteps of the Messiah.
 
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Jon Anon said in post 4:

Seeing the emphasis given to the Law both before and after the Church only serves to underscore the the Lord’s declaration that He didn’t come to abolish the Law, but to fulfill it. (Matt. 5:17)

Matthew 5:17-18 means that Jesus came the first time not to abolish the prophecies in the Mosaic law and the Old Testament prophets regarding the Messiah's/the Christ's first coming, but to fulfill all those prophecies (Luke 24:44-48; e.g. Acts 3:22-26, Isaiah 53). Matthew 5:17-18 can't mean that Jesus came not to abolish the letter of the commandments of the Old Covenant Mosaic law, for he did come to do that, on the Cross (Ephesians 2:15-16, Colossians 2:14-17, Romans 7:6; 2 Corinthians 3:6-18, Hebrews 7:18-19). Also, Matthew 5:17-18 can't mean that Jesus came to fulfill the letter of all the Old Covenant Mosaic law's commandments, for he couldn't possibly have done that. For example, some of those commandments applied only to women after childbirth (Leviticus 12:4-8), or to wives suspected of adultery by their husbands (Numbers 5:19-31).

As the Christ (Matthew 5:17, Luke 24:44-46), the mediator of the New Covenant (Matthew 26:28, Hebrews 12:24, Hebrews 7:22, Hebrews 8:6-9), Jesus had the divine authority to contradict the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law's commandments and replace them with his own, even better, New Covenant commandments (Matthew 5:38-44, Matthew 19:7-9, John 8:5-7), such as those he gave in the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5:19 to 7:29) and in the epistles of Paul the apostle (1 Corinthians 14:37; 1 Thessalonians 4:2). And as the Christ, Jesus had the divine authority to allow his disciples to break the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law's commandments (Matthew 12:1-8).

Jon Anon said in post 4:

So, animal sacrifices have been suspended during the Church Age to demonstrate the extent of God’s grace.

Note that there is no such thing as the church age, for the church will continue in the world throughout all ages (Ephesians 3:21, John 17:15). For just as the church will continue in the world throughout the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24 (Matthew 24:9-13, Revelation 13:7-10, Revelation 14:12-13, Revelation 20:4-6), and then throughout the subsequent millennium (Revelation 20:4-6, Revelation 5:10, Revelation 2:26-29), so the church will then continue forever on the new earth (Revelation 21:1 to 22:5).
 
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Jon Anon said in post 4:

But our study of the Millennium shows that they weren’t eliminated forever.

Ezekiel chapters 40 to 48 aren't necessarily a prophecy of future events which must happen, like those in Revelation must happen (Revelation 1:1), but could have been a conditional vision which Israel had to fulfill while it was still in Old Testament/Old Covenant times (Ezekiel 43:11). For the vision refers to animal sacrifices for sin (e.g. Ezekiel 43:21-22), which were abolished by Jesus on the Cross, along with all the rest of the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law (Ephesians 2:15-16, Colossians 2:14-17, Hebrews 7:18-19, Romans 7:6; 2 Corinthians 3:6-18). Jesus' New Covenant sacrifice for sin (Matthew 26:28) completely and forever replaced all the Old Covenant animal sacrifices for sin (Hebrews 10:1-23).

Nonetheless, when Jesus returns and begins his millennial reign on the earth (Revelation 20:4-6, Zechariah 14:3-21), he will still build a New Covenant, 4th temple building in Jerusalem; and New Covenant animal sacrifices will be offered in front of that temple (Zechariah 14:20-21, Zechariah 6:12-13). Instead of these sacrifices being for sin, they could be for thanksgiving (cf. Leviticus 22:29). Jesus could build that temple, and it could be operated according to the description in Ezekiel chapters 40 to 48, but leaving out the parts about animal sacrifices for sin. Another possibility is that New Covenant animal sacrifices for sin will be made, but only as a remembrance of Jesus' New Covenant sacrifice on the Cross for our sins (Matthew 26:28), like how communion is currently partaken of in remembrance of Jesus' sacrifice (Luke 22:19). The current practice of communion could cease at Jesus' return (1 Corinthians 11:26).

Also, after the millennium and subsequent events (Revelation 20:7-15), when the literal city of New Jerusalem will land on the new earth (Revelation 21:1-3), there will no longer be any temple building (Revelation 21:22).

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If Ezekiel chapters 40 to 48 are a prophecy of future events, and weren't only a conditional vision which now will never be fulfilled, the sabbath and feasts (e.g. Ezekiel 46:4,9) won't be those of the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law, but a better version of them, under the New Covenant. For on Jesus' Cross, for both Jews and Gentiles (John 11:51-52), of all times, the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law was abolished (Ephesians 2:15-16, Colossians 2:14-17; 2 Corinthians 3:6-18), disannulled (Hebrews 7:18), rendered obsolete (Hebrews 8:13, Galatians 3:2-25, Galatians 4:21 to 5:8), taken away and replaced (Hebrews 10:9) by the better hope (Hebrews 7:19), the better covenant (Hebrews 7:22, Hebrews 8:6-12), the 2nd covenant (Hebrews 8:7, Hebrews 10:9), of Jesus' New Covenant law (Galatians 6:2, John 1:17, Matthew 26:28, Hebrews 12:24, Hebrews 9:15), so that the law was changed (Hebrews 7:12).

All believers, both Jews and Gentles, of all times, are delivered from the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law, and shouldn't keep it (Romans 7:6; 2 Corinthians 3:6-18, Galatians 2:11-21), or have any desire to keep it (Galatians 4:21 to 5:8, Galatians 3:2-25). Believers keep the spirit of the Old Covenant Mosaic law (Romans 7:6) by loving others (Galatians 5:14, Romans 13:8-10), by doing to others as they would have others do to them (Matthew 7:12).

The rules in Ezekiel chapters 40 to 48 are different in detail from the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law. For example, note all the differences in the details of the passover animal sacrifice requirements of Ezekiel 45:21-25 and those of Numbers 28:16-24.
 
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25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.


Daniel chapter 9 people there is no linquistic basis to add those two number the 49 and 62 and doing so does violence to the language of Daniel...those two numbers are separate and speak of the first coming and the second coming...62 weeks was fulfilled with the first coming and the......june 7 1967 began the 49 year count when Israel captured Jerusalem and the temple mount.........add the 49 years according to Newtons riddle to June 7 1967 and you use 360 prophetic days of years times 49 and you come up with 17640 days and from the day Jerusalem was captured til 17640 days later is the "day of atonement 2015"

Simplify the Position = Let My People Go!

DANIEL 9:25 Know therefore and understand, [that] from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince [shall be] seven (Sabbatical Cycle of Seven Times Seven) weeks, and threescore and two weeks (Sabbatical Cycle of Seven Times 62): the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

62 Sabbatical Cycles of 7 = 434 Years
1. 430 Years of the Jewish People's Stay in Egypt (Exodus 12:40)
2. 4 Years of Jesus Ministry to the Jews (so it was like they were in Egypt, since they are resistant to Heavenly Salvation, more humans became angels in the old testament, then in the new) (Revelations 11:12)

1 Sabbatical Cycle of 7 Years = 49 Years

June 7, 1967 plus 49 years (using 360 days for a Year) or 17640 Days = September 23, 2015 Yom Kippur/Day of Atonement for the Jewish People in which the Moon is offered as the Blood Sacrifice. (but where is the throne of the Ancient of Days according to Daniel, and where are the days of the number of Joseph accounted for?)

360 Day Year in which there was no Joseph, which identified with the number five
The ancient Egyptian calendar was based on the heliacal rising of Sirius. The ancient Egyptians devised a method of telling the time at night based on the heliacal risings of 36 stars called decan stars (one for each 10° segment of the 360° circle of the zodiac/calendar). The Sumerians, the Babylonians, and the ancient Greeks also used the heliacal risings of various stars for the timing of agricultural activities. en.wikipedia.***/wiki/Heliacal_rising

365 Day Year in which there is a Joseph attributed to a lifespan of 12,000 Earth Days
To the Māori of New Zealand, the Pleiades are called Matariki, and their heliacal rising signifies the beginning of the new year (around June). The Mapuche of South America called the Pleiades Ngauponi which in the vicinity of the we tripantu (Mapuche new year) will disappear by the west, lafkenmapu or ngulumapu, appearing at dawn to the East, a few days before the birth of new life in nature. Heliacal rising of Ngauponi, i.e. appearance of the Pleiades by the horizon over an hour before the Sun approximately 12 days before the winter solstice, announced we tripantu. en.wikipedia.***/wiki/Heliacal_rising

Mesopotamia also associated the number 5 to Star Wormwood, as "unluckly days" or as the days of the final fortunate of the human race. ... ... ... We are given 5 Months of Star Wormwood in Genesis, and 5 Months of Star Wormwood in Revelations. With the Jewish people ..................... when Joseph arrives there is evidence 12,000 Days takes precidence over 17640 Days, as a marker for Star Wormwood.

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(9/11/2013 we went to the river and it was stated that we could resolve the covenant once and for all, as I waited in the river, for things to be done, you've only flirted with this issue then. Now, there was mercy on the table for manasseh then, but, there is a considerable amount of mercy on the table for manasseh now, leave my covenant at the great tribulation ... manasseh the half tribe)
 
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Jacob whose name was changed to Israel was given two generational blessings:

1 The sceptre given to the line of Judah(David)
2. The birthright given to the line of Joseph(Ephraim)

These two blessings are generational blessings that will end up with the two witensses in the end...one the sceptre(Judah) and the other the birthright(Joseph)

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Once we can see this then we can see the separation of the two witnesses

Examples when being used in the same sentence:

Moses/Aaron
Joshua/Zerubbabel
Judah/Jacob
Israel/Judah
Judah/Ephraim
Jacob/Israel
One priestly the other the civil leader.....The main point is there are two firstborns in the two families that make up Israel:

Jeremiah 33:24:

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Considerest thou not what this people have spoken, saying, The two families which the LORD hath chosen, he hath even cast them off? thus they have despised my people, that they should be no more a nation before them.


One of the reasons you have to have 2 firstborns is this:



The levitic priesthood was put into place as a substitute for the firstborn(numbers Chapter 3)....now this priesthood covenant is promised to be eternal as long as the sun and moon are present and there is a united Israel(right now all of Israel is not united) in effect as we read Jeremiah 33:

Jeremiah 33:


17 For thus saith the Lord; David shall never want a man to sit upon the throne of the house of Israel;

18 Neither shall the priests the Levites want a man before me to offer burnt offerings, and to kindle meat offerings, and to do sacrifice continually.

19 And the word of the Lord came unto Jeremiah, saying,

20 Thus saith the Lord; If ye can break my covenant of the day, and my covenant of the night, and that there should not be day and night in their season;

21 Then may also my covenant be broken with David my servant, that he should not have a son to reign upon his throne; and with the Levites the priests, my ministers.


22 As the host of heaven cannot be numbered, neither the sand of the sea measured: so will I multiply the seed of David my servant, and the Levites that minister unto me.

23 Moreover the word of the Lord came to Jeremiah, saying,

24 Considerest thou not what this people have spoken, saying, The two families which the Lord hath chosen, he hath even cast them off? thus they have despised my people, that they should be no more a nation before them.

25 Thus saith the Lord; If my covenant be not with day and night, and if I have not appointed the ordinances of heaven and earth;

26 Then will I cast away the seed of Jacob and David my servant, so that I will not take any of his seed to be rulers over the seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob: for I will cause their captivity to return, and have mercy on them.


It is a "COVENANT WITH DAVID AND THE LEVITIC PRIESTHOOD" God has to honor it as the sun and moon covenant will still be in effect during the millennium...when the new heaven and new earth come then the covenant of David being king will demote to being prince of kings forever...and the covenant of the levitic priesthood will be voided and the man running it will be the prince of priests sitting on the left of Jesus and the sun and moon covnenant will be voided as we read in Revelation 21:

22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.

23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.

25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.



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1 chronicles 5:2:


New American Standard Bible
Though Judah prevailed over his brothers, and from him came the leader, yet the birthright belonged to Joseph),

King James Bible
For Judah prevailed above his brethren, and of him came the chief ruler; but the birthright was Joseph's:)

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Although Judah became strong among his brothers and a ruler came from him, the birthright was given to Joseph.


Now the levitic priesthood was meant to be a substitute for the firstborn and as we see there are 2 separate firstborn blessings...one going to Judah(David) as king and the other one inheriting the "BIRTHRIGHT"....If you have David running the kingship it goes without question the other firstborn will be in charge of the priesthood that was meant to do the duties of the firstborn until he arrived..they will still run the temple but Joseph the other witness will be in charge of it...because if you have a king(which in this case is David) running the priesthood you automatically cancel it being levitic and Davidic as is promised by the covenant of the sun and moon during the time of a UNITED ISRAEL and you change the whole priesthood into a melchelzedek which makes the covenant of GOD unfulfilled which WILL NOT HAPPEN!
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Two firstborns one from the line David and one form the line of Jospeh...they run the world for the millennium(kingship/priesthood)...Jesus rules from heaven...comes back after the millennium....makes a new heaven and new earth and runs everything after the melchelzedek order...the former king(david) and the former high priest on earth(Joseph) sit on the left and right of Jesus forever as a reminder of the former covenant of levitic and davidic..AMEN!


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Jacob whose name was changed to Israel was given two generational blessings:
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:destroyed: Judah does not receive the "Birth Right" or the "Blessing

Jacob the Son of Abraham
1. Jacob received the "Birth Right" (Gen. 25:34)
2. Jacob recieved the "Blessing" (Gen. 27:12)

Joseph the Son of Jacob
1. Joseph received the "Birth Right" (1 Chronicles 5:1)
2. Joseph received the "Blessing" (Deu. 33:16)

Moses the Son of Joseph
1. Moses received the "Birth Right" (Exodus 13:19)
2. Moses received the "Blessing" (Exodus 4:4)

Judah is a Tribe, not a Person, this disqualifies the claim of it receiving the "Birth Right and Blessing" under the gospel (but I have a few things to say about these matters)

REVELATION 5:5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

Judah cannot recieve the "Birth Right" or the "Blessing", so the "Lion of Judah" is sent to act on this behalf. The "Lion of Judah" is Joseph ... ... ... ... the Antichrist is a representation of Joseph, and Joseph appears in the "Accounting of the Tribes" in revelations 7, so this fits the gospels pattern of how the "Birth Right and Blessing" was passed down from God to Abraham, then from Abraham to Jacob, then from Jacob to Joseph, then from Joseph to Moses (Moses being the Antichrist).
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The "Birth Right and Blessing" is connected to the inheritances of the Gospel, which is bestowed in the name of the "Sons of Man". This is a very specific argument. Who confirms the covenant of the prophet Daniel? The answer is the Antichrist, because he has the "Birth Right and Blessing".
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Head of the Priesthood and Head of the Tribes DOES NOT EQUAL the "Birth Right" or the "Blessing" ... ... ... The Tribes implicate themselves with the earth, Star Wormwood the "Birth Right and Blessing", involves heaven only, this is revisited with the "sons of man" only. (Ephraim is slain in the spirit, since it was added to Judah to be blind in this respect) (Many Hebrew Kings have died, Many Mesopotamian Kings have died, doing unclean things to the Antichrist)
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For Example:

3000 B.C.
Head of the Priesthood = Tribe of Dan (when Satan existed as a Spirit Being alongside the Holy Spirit, before the Homosapien was created, before Abraham and Sodom of Gomorrah).

2000 B.C.
(Jacob blessed Joseph's son Manasseh)
Head of the Priesthood = Tribe of Manasseh (Genesis 18) (When Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed to Moses witnessing the Burning Bush)

1400 B.C.
Head of the Priesthood = Tribe of Levite (Generations of Joseph are Cutoff or Elected from the Tribes Isreal ... Exodus 1:1-6 // 1 Chronicles 5:1) (Ends with David killing Goliath, Goliath as a picture of Joseph, Joseph is a picture of the Levites)

1000 B.C.
Head of the Priesthood = Tribe of Ephraim (After David Killed Goliath, the Gospel declares David has anointed a Chosen Tribe 1Kings 11:13) (Ends with Jesus Baptizing the Apostle Peter)

29 A.D.
Head of the Priesthood = Tribe of Aaron (Jesus baptizes the Apostle Peter, who is described as a supernatural being, with the [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] Clucking Three Times) (This ends when the Head of the Priesthood is divided from the Head of the Tribes at the Crucifixion)

33 A.D. (first time in history the titles are divided with the tribes)
Head of the Priesthood = Tribe of Aaron (Apostle Thomas puts his Finger into Jesus, aaron recounted in the book of hebrews ... Tribe of Aaron = Morning Star, Suckling Child, Finger or the Adopted Son) ... Head of the Tribes = Tribe of Judah (Romans give Jesus a Crown). (Judah does not hold the "Birth Right or the Blessing")

Presently
Head of the Priesthood and Head of the Tribes = Duration of the Antichrist's Stay in this Universe, that is 12000 Days and 5 months or 12150 Days Total. The Antichrist holds both the "Birth Right, and Blessing" this is how the Covenant of Daniel is Confirmed.
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The Hyperdimensional side is attributed to the "Sons of Man" only, the Earthly representation is attributed to the Tribes which is a mixture of heavenly forces, and the holy spirit and satan. The Gospel is not designed to give a Tribe the same authority with the Gospel as the "Sons of Man". So even though Judah or another tribe held a title previously, it does not take precedence over the "sons of man" with the gospel. (Many Hebrew Kings are slain, Many Mesopotamian Kings are slain, today for these reasons of what evil they have visited with the Antichrist, this is done continually and repeatedly)

(Benjamin the Tribe associated with Heavenly Salvation, is temporarily under the Authority of the Antichrist ... Joseph the Tribe associated with Ascension into the New Universe, is also temporarily under the Authority of the Antichrist ... ... ... ... satan only uses enough force to be put down, and then he goes away, not enough force to cause the universe to established that person, whoever he is, in someway before the earth ... ... ... ... as we follow the progressive gospel program)
 
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:destroyed: Judah does not receive the "Birth Right" or the "Blessing

Jacob the Son of Abraham
1. Jacob received the "Birth Right" (Gen. 25:34)
2. Jacob recieved the "Blessing" (Gen. 27:12)

Joseph the Son of Jacob
1. Joseph received the "Birth Right" (1 Chronicles 5:1)
2. Joseph received the "Blessing" (Deu. 33:16)

Moses the Son of Joseph
1. Moses received the "Birth Right" (Exodus 13:19)
2. Moses received the "Blessing" (Exodus 4:4)

Judah is a Tribe, not a Person, this disqualifies the claim of it receiving the "Birth Right and Blessing" under the gospel (but I have a few things to say about these matters)

REVELATION 5:5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

Judah cannot recieve the "Birth Right" or the "Blessing", so the "Lion of Judah" is sent to act on this behalf. The "Lion of Judah" is Joseph ... ... ... ... the Antichrist is a representation of Joseph, and Joseph appears in the "Accounting of the Tribes" in revelations 7, so this fits the gospels pattern of how the "Birth Right and Blessing" was passed down from God to Abraham, then from Abraham to Jacob, then from Jacob to Joseph, then from Joseph to Moses (Moses being the Antichrist).
...........................
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The "Birth Right and Blessing" is connected to the inheritances of the Gospel, which is bestowed in the name of the "Sons of Man". This is a very specific argument. Who confirms the covenant of the prophet Daniel? The answer is the Antichrist, because he has the "Birth Right and Blessing".
...........................
...........................
...........................
Head of the Priesthood and Head of the Tribes DOES NOT EQUAL the "Birth Right" or the "Blessing" ... ... ... The Tribes implicate themselves with the earth, Star Wormwood the "Birth Right and Blessing", involves heaven only, this is revisited with the "sons of man" only. (Ephraim is slain in the spirit, since it was added to Judah to be blind in this respect) (Many Hebrew Kings have died, Many Mesopotamian Kings have died, doing unclean things to the Antichrist)
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For Example:

3000 B.C.
Head of the Priesthood = Tribe of Dan (when Satan existed as a Spirit Being alongside the Holy Spirit, before the Homosapien was created, before Abraham and Sodom of Gomorrah).

2000 B.C.
(Jacob blessed Joseph's son Manasseh)
Head of the Priesthood = Tribe of Manasseh (Genesis 18) (When Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed to Moses witnessing the Burning Bush)

1400 B.C.
Head of the Priesthood = Tribe of Levite (Generations of Joseph are Cutoff or Elected from the Tribes Isreal ... Exodus 1:1-6 // 1 Chronicles 5:1) (Ends with David killing Goliath, Goliath as a picture of Joseph, Joseph is a picture of the Levites)

1000 B.C.
Head of the Priesthood = Tribe of Ephraim (After David Killed Goliath, the Gospel declares David has anointed a Chosen Tribe 1Kings 11:13) (Ends with Jesus Baptizing the Apostle Peter)

29 A.D.
Head of the Priesthood = Tribe of Aaron (Jesus baptizes the Apostle Peter, who is described as a supernatural being, with the [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] Clucking Three Times) (This ends when the Head of the Priesthood is divided from the Head of the Tribes at the Crucifixion)

33 A.D. (first time in history the titles are divided with the tribes)
Head of the Priesthood = Tribe of Aaron (Apostle Thomas puts his Finger into Jesus, aaron recounted in the book of hebrews ... Tribe of Aaron = Morning Star, Suckling Child, Finger or the Adopted Son) ... Head of the Tribes = Tribe of Judah (Romans give Jesus a Crown). (Judah does not hold the "Birth Right or the Blessing")

Presently
Head of the Priesthood and Head of the Tribes = Duration of the Antichrist's Stay in this Universe, that is 12000 Days and 5 months or 12150 Days Total. The Antichrist holds both the "Birth Right, and Blessing" this is how the Covenant of Daniel is Confirmed.
...........................
...........................
...........................
The Hyperdimensional side is attributed to the "Sons of Man" only, the Earthly representation is attributed to the Tribes which is a mixture of heavenly forces, and the holy spirit and satan. The Gospel is not designed to give a Tribe the same authority with the Gospel as the "Sons of Man". So even though Judah or another tribe held a title previously, it does not take precedence over the "sons of man" with the gospel. (Many Hebrew Kings are slain, Many Mesopotamian Kings are slain, today for these reasons of what evil they have visited with the Antichrist, this is done continually and repeatedly)

(Benjamin the Tribe associated with Heavenly Salvation, is temporarily under the Authority of the Antichrist ... Joseph the Tribe associated with Ascension into the New Universe, is also temporarily under the Authority of the Antichrist ... ... ... ... satan only uses enough force to be put down, and then he goes away, not enough force to cause the universe to established that person, whoever he is, in someway before the earth ... ... ... ... as we follow the progressive gospel program)


We will have to agree to disagree..lol
 
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We will have to agree to disagree..lol

Holy Spirit Cursed from the Earth
GENESIS 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou [art] cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
Satan Cursed from the Earth
GENESIS 4:11 And now [art] thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand;

The Holy Spirit and Satan are described as being removed from the earth, in some capacity. Meaning Abraham's appearance and the declaration of Sodom and Gomorrah, ended the Tribe of Dan's reign as the Head of the Priesthood.

Holy Spirit the King Lion

DEUTERONOMY 33:20 And of Gad he said, Blessed [be] he that enlargeth Gad: he dwelleth as a lion, and teareth the arm with the crown of the head.
Tribe of Dan the Lesser Lion
DEUTERONOMY 33:22 And of Dan he said, Dan [is] a lion's whelp: he shall leap from Bashan.

The Tribe of Dan was "Head of the Priesthood" before Mankind existed as spirit beings in bodies of flesh that is before Abraham. The Tribe of Dan is paired with the Holy Spirit before the foundation of the earth, that is what the gospel implies. Providing detail about Dan or Manasseh is not a simple task, because these are tribes in "Man's Foot Print" at the end of time they identify with people, like the rest of the tribes in "Man's Foot Print" at the end of time.

I may be a little wrong in the the timeline I stated previously.

1000 Years of Satan = Tribe of Dan Head of the Priesthood before the foundation of the earth, this carried itself over into the earth very briefly and was connected to Abraham (the earth is the judgment throne for the reconciliation of the generations of men)
3000 B.C. Abraham and Sodom and Gomorrah = Tribe of Manasseh Head of the Priesthood
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(1000 Years of Satan before Earth, 6000 Years of Satan in the Earth/Flesh + 5 months of the Flood used to establish Satan in the Earth + 5 Months at the End of time to remove the last remnant of Satan in the Earth, the reign of the Antichrist)
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Joseph becomes the Lion in Revelations to redeem Judah (Rev. 5:5), Dan the Lion is slain because it is not meek, it cannot inherit Star Wormwood, Isiah 38:13. If Judah inherited the "Birthright or the Blessing" then Joseph would not be necessary to redeem Judah ... Rev. 5:5 states that Judah must be redeemed by the "Lion of Judah" not by Judah in itself.

PSALMS 10:9 He lieth in wait secretly as a lion in his den: he lieth in wait to catch the poor: he doth catch the poor, when he draweth him into his net.

Joseph the Lion
is placed in charge of Star Wormwood (the net) to serve as a representative for the inheritors in the book of revelations. Moses is stated in the book of Revelations, alongside the declaration of Joseph as 12000 in the "Accounting of the Tribes" that is given. Moses took Joseph's bones out of Egypt, so Moses is the representative of Joseph, the Antichrist (who delivers the spiritually poor to the new earths and new universe). (Judah does not have the "Birthright or the Blessing" so it cannot not deliver itself, the Gospel does not declare that Judah has the "Birthright or the Blessing" ... ... ... ... From Abraham, to Jacob, to Joseph, to Moses ... ... ... the "Birthright and the Blessing" does not pass to Judah from Moses as Rev. 5:5 states, Judah must be redeemed by the "Lion of Judah")

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Aaron has become Dan's Wife Spiritually, so Aaron is SEALED in their sin until the Great Tribulation when "Dan the Lion" is slain. God asks Aaron specifically for Repentance during the Great Tribulation from "Joseph the Lion" ... "Joseph the Lion" is called to Redeem Judah, yes, but this does not happen first, this happens during the 150 days. God asked "Joseph the Lion" to witness of Aaron's Repentance. Following the Gospel that is the 185,000 the Angel slew in the name of Hezekiah, because of Aaron's sin with the Assyrians, when Aaron was removed from the Priesthood (not allowed before the Altar, after teaching Isreal to worship the golden calf). Then we will go to Roswell, to complete their Separatist Inheritance*, if nothing is done, and I'm sure the Antichrist will not do much to police Aaron, then they will simply die.

1. Aaron the Spiritual Wife of Dan = Very, Very, Sinful
2. Ephraim the Spiritual Wife of Judah = Very Sinful

Ephraim is simply the mad spiritual cow that passes away free of sin and as a Separatist Inheritor*, don't get me wrong, if you keep beating on the Antichrist then a portion of the population will cease the variable of the gospel will not be modified, because the gospel does not support a separate conclusion for Ephriam (speaking of which I have some errands to do after dark tonight ... if they are not choosing to do their evil in a more public way, it is because of the shame of seeing the Antichrist glorified prematurely in the earth) (Jesus proved that Ephraim was the mad spiritual cow ... the Antichrist has nothing to prove, but in order to illustrate the cleansing to the faithful that is to be done soon, certain opportunities are provided for suicid* based on the force people use against the Antichrist).
 
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I wonder what happened to 2015?
I wonder what made you boost up this old thread.
june 7 1967 began the 49 year count when Israel captured Jerusalem and the temple mount.........add the 49 years according to Newtons riddle to June 7 1967 and you use 360 prophetic days of years times 49 and you come up with 17640 days and from the day Jerusalem was captured til 17640 days later is the "day of atonement 2015"

I think Newton is and will be right, the OP is just using the wrong start date.

You yourself should know therefore and understand that the timing does not begin from when they "captured" Jerusalem, the Script doesn't say anything about that. The count of sevens is initiated from the going forth of the "decree" to restore and to rebuild. And it shall be built in troublous times.

He should be coming around the mountain shortly.
 
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