Pope Francis honors Armenian Martyrs

ArmenianJohn · Apr 12, 2015

God Bless Pope Francis! It's not the first time he has recognized the Genocide but I think first time as Pope.

Also an honor that he has made St. Gregory of Narek a Doctor of the Church!

Pope recalls slaughter of Armenians in 'first genocide of the 20th century' :: Catholic News Agency (CNA)

Praise the Lord!

:liturgy:

Tigg · Apr 12, 2015

"Today too we are experiencing a sort of genocide created by general and collective indifference, by the complicit silence of Cain, who cries out: What does it matter to me? Am I my brothers keeper? - Pope Francis

for all those in the middle east being slaughtered by ISIL or those like them. Evil...

Tigg · Apr 12, 2015

"Today too we are experiencing a sort of genocide created by general and collective indifference, by the complicit silence of Cain, who cries out: What does it matter to me? Am I my brothers keeper? - Pope Francis

for all those in the middle east being slaughtered by ISIL or those like them, I pray. Evil...

LivingWordUnity · Apr 12, 2015

Tigg said:
"“Today too we are experiencing a sort of genocide created by general and collective indifference, by the complicit silence of Cain, who cries out: ‘What does it matter to me? Am I my brother’s keeper?’” - Pope Francis

I agree. I have seen that kind of attitude expressed by some people who have been trying to downplay or ignore the genocide that's been going on so that they can continue to deny that there's any persecution of Christians going on. But the Christians who have been suffering in those countries are part of the same mystical body of Christ that joins all Christians. If someone is a member of the mystical body of Christ they should be able to feel something for the Christians being slaughtered in the Middle East and Africa.

ebia · Apr 12, 2015

LivingWordUnity said:
I have seen that kind of attitude expressed by some people who have been trying to downplay or ignore the genocide that's been going on so that they can continue to deny that there's any persecution of Christians going on. Their attitude is as if living in America means we can be detached from it. But the Christians who have been suffering in those countries are part of the same mystical body of Christ that joins all Christians. Only if someone is detached from the body of Christ can they not feel anything for the Christians being slaughtered in the Middle East and Africa.

Strawman.

LivingWordUnity · Apr 12, 2015

ebia said:
Strawman.

How so?

ebia · Apr 13, 2015

LivingWordUnity said:
How so?

Its not the position anyone is putting forward.

dzheremi · Apr 13, 2015

Does the argument that may be about to happen really belong in this thread, or would it be better served by its own thread? Pope Francis' recognition of the genocide of the Armenians should stand on its own, shouldn't it?

stray bullet · Apr 13, 2015

ebia said:
Its not the position anyone is putting forward.

Not sure why you are being combative here. His post was a reflection on the words of Pope Francis and you responded by calling it a strawman.... which tells me you don't know what is a strawman.

ebia · Apr 13, 2015

stray bullet said:
Not sure why you are being combative here. His post was a reflection on the words of Pope Francis and you responded by calling it a strawman.... which tells me you don't know what is a strawman.

His post creates and addresses a position supposedly made by people here.

ebia · Apr 13, 2015

dzheremi said:
Does the argument that may be about to happen really belong in this thread, or would it be better served by its own thread? Pope Francis' recognition of the genocide of the Armenians should stand on its own, shouldn't it?

Yes it should. And having called the attempt to drag in misreprentatioms of stuff said elsewhere for what it is I leave it at that.

stray bullet · Apr 13, 2015

ebia said:
His post creates and addresses a position supposedly made by people here.

Not it doesn't. That fact that you inserted "people here" and replied in the way you did shows you are being defensive. Perhaps you would like to discuss why?

ebia · Apr 13, 2015

stray bullet said:
Not it doesn't. That fact that you inserted "people here" and replied in the way you did shows you are being defensive. Perhaps you would like to discuss why?

no, I'd prefer not to let this thread be derailed.

ArmenianJohn · Apr 13, 2015

LivingWordUnity said:
I agree. I have seen that kind of attitude expressed by some people who have been trying to downplay or ignore the genocide that's been going on so that they can continue to deny that there's any persecution of Christians going on. But the Christians who have been suffering in those countries are part of the same mystical body of Christ that joins all Christians. If someone is a member of the mystical body of Christ they should be able to feel something for the Christians being slaughtered in the Middle East and Africa.

The Republicans in the US are very much against recognizing the Armenian Genocide today because it would incriminate Turkey who is their friend. Unfortunately, President Obama is playing along with the Republicans on that issue, although he may change gears on them soon and recognize the Armenian genocide. In any case, it's hard for the USA to take a stand against any genocide when they can't even recognize the one for which the word "genocide" was created, that being the Armenian Genocide (as Pope Francis pointed out).

The shame for the US is that 43 states DO recognize the Armenian Genocide, but 7 states (Republican, of course) and the Republicans in the House and Senate keep voting against recognition of it, because they fear Turkey (why, I don't know).

Pope Francis was correct today to recognize that the failure of many in the world to recognize the Armenian Genocide is why we are experiencing genocide again today. And again, Armenians are being targeted, along with Syrian and Iraqi Catholics and Assyrian Christians.

With the help of Turkey (of course), ISIS had attacked and klled Christians in Kessab, Syria, near the border. Fortunately President Assad's forces liberated Kessab later. ISIS also destroyed the Armenian Church in Aleppo and destroyed thousands of records of the Genocide (obviously doing Turkey's bidding).

In any case, I just wanted to express my gratitude and appreciation for Pope Francis' gesture and expression of love. It is yet another act on his part that shows his heart.

Tallguy88 · Apr 13, 2015

dzheremi said:
Does the argument that may be about to happen really belong in this thread, or would it be better served by its own thread? Pope Francis' recognition of the genocide of the Armenians should stand on its own, shouldn't it?

This exactly.

God bless Pope Francis. Too few people even know of the genocide of the Armenians by the Turks.

LivingWordUnity · Apr 15, 2015

ArmenianJohn said:
The Republicans in the US are very much against recognizing the Armenian Genocide today because it would incriminate Turkey who is their friend. Unfortunately, President Obama is playing along with the Republicans on that issue, although he may change gears on them soon and recognize the Armenian genocide.

I think the genocide should be recognized, and I'm a Republican. But Obama does whatever he wants regardless of what Republicans think.

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