“Generation”, Matthew 25, and Deuteronomy 28-30

ebedmelech said:

Really Danoh??? Please work with the whole of Matthew 23 which climaxes with Jesus saying this:
37 “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling.
38 Behold, your house is being left to you desolate!
39 For I say to you, from now on you will not see Me until you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’”

Next...you keep on with this "one size gospel fits all God's plans and purposes has made the one gospel", idea you have.

Before going any further, would you present a gospel from the only one in the scripture? Or at least clarify how the ONE gospel doesn't fit all...

Paul's words in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 (again):
Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand,
2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain.
3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,
4 and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,

Present a gospel other than that Danoh, because as Paul said he preached THE GOSPEL!

I'm waiting...

Click to expand...

You have a long wait - whatever is presented to you; if it does not fit your mess, you are right off against it - no matter how often you ask for "proof" otherwise.

In short, you are not honest in your asking for proof. You pull this nonsense everytime and with everyone.

Bad enough your conclusions and those of others on here end up as distortedly antisemitic as they do no matter how much you assert that such is not the case.

Remain in your 144k delusion; it is par for the coarse in Preterism.

Danoh said:

You have a long wait - whatever is presented to you; if it does not fit your mess, you are right off against it - no matter how often you ask for "proof" otherwise.In other words, you don't want to lay out the tremendous error of your Mid-Acts perspective...but that's ok. I already know.

In short, you are not honest in your asking for proof. You pull this nonsense everytime and with everyone.

Click to expand...

I'll say this to you on that...you attack my integrity so I respond simply by saying you're a liar...and I CHALLENGE you to provide ANY post where I've been dishonest. It's one thing to disagree with another's view...it's another thing to make false allegations.

Danoh said:

Bad enough your conclusions and those of others on here end up as distortedly antisemitic as they do no matter how much you assert that such is not the case.

Click to expand...

You're doing the posting...please again show any anti semitic post by me.

Danoh said:

Remain in your 144k delusion; it is par for the coarse in Preterism.

Click to expand...

Interesting...I'm deluded...but you don't think one gospel fits all...and you run away from the question.

God is for belief in his Gospel and against unbelief. That answers whether a person is anti-semitic. There is no such thing in the Gospel community, because a number of Jews believe and the reciprocal do not. We are "for" those who believe, although we are not exactly against those who do not; we'd like them to believe as well.

Interplanner said:

God is for belief in his Gospel and against unbelief. That answers whether a person is anti-semitic. There is no such thing in the Gospel community, because a number of Jews believe and the reciprocal do not. We are "for" those who believe, although we are not exactly against those who do not; we'd like them to believe as well.

Click to expand...

Here's the problem Inter...those who teach the "two people of God concept" have been told and taught that those who reject that concept are against the Jews.

What you have there is the parroting of what their leading scholarship says...that's all.

The strange part is their eschatology wants Jews back to Israel, to endure what they teach is the "great tribulation".

It's an oxymoron that they can't or don't want to see.

ebedmelech said:

The strange part is their eschatology wants Jews back to Israel, to endure what they teach is the "great tribulation".

It's an oxymoron that they can't or don't want to see.

Click to expand...

Indeed.
For some reason, Those who hold the position that the worlds modern Jews must flock to Israel so 2/3 of them can be brutally massacred in the near future are called "pro Israel" while those who hold the opposite position are called anti Semitic.

Zechariah
13:8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.

13:9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God. [Jeremiah 30; Daniel 12:1-7; Zechariah 12; 14; Romans 11]

Straightshot said:

Zechariah
13:8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.

13:9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God. [Jeremiah 30; Daniel 12:1-7; Zechariah 12; 14; Romans 11]

Click to expand...

Yep.
Asserting that the above text is:

Not Future = Anti Semitic

Future = Pro Israel

A strange thing to say about the Lord's own word's on the matter

The coming time of Jacob's trouble the same .... the Lord has a purpose and a schedule

Refuting His intent is not a good idea

Straightshot said:

A strange thing to say about the Lord's own word's on the matter

Click to expand...

It is not strange for P70. It is his usual observation.

I'm asserting the Lords words are true and correct, as I assume you are as well.

We just differ on the timing.

Why don't you argue against my ACTUAL position, instead of inventing a straw man to tear down?

parousia70 said:

Yep.
Asserting that the above text is:

Not Future = Anti Semitic

Future = Pro Israel

Click to expand...

If what passages like those describe is how God tries that nation per their Covenant with Him and said Covenant's promises, then any word against it, be it deliberate or in ignorance, is just that - against, or anti said semetic people as to their promised blessing under said Covenant.

Your one size fits all "gospel" is the source of this RESULTING anti-semiticism.

Worse than that, though, is that it ENDS UP "Yea, hath GOD said..."

Its not for nothing that we refer to said view's END RESULT as the heresy that IS Preterism.

You take Ebed's Matt. 23 "Jerusalem, Jerusalem," response to my post - its one more example of the blinders through which you and yours look at these things through, and as a result, fail to see the obvious that even that video I posted had sought to point out.

Ever the closed minded mind reader, Ebed, right off concluded I'd not considered Matt. 23 in what I have been relating as to Matt. 24 - that its "shall nots" and "tils" passages are in the subjunctive, or conditional clause mood.

A condition Matt. 23 relates "Jerusalem, Jerusalem" failed to meet.

And by that, rendering the Matt. 24 condition a reference to a generation other than the one He spoke those Words to.

For certain, that will not meet the notions of some as to what constitutes an actual "Berean" test.

Right off, Darby is brought up along with other notions as to what is actually being asserted, including notions that one has read into the text.

Yes, I read Matt. 23 into Matt. 24. If that makes me a liar, so be it. I am not easily offended by such "you threw a stone, so take mine" antics of children.

I stand by my words.

James related "TO THE TWELVE TRIBES scattered abroad... the TRYING of YOUR faith WORKETH patience..." James 1: 1, 3.

The SAME James who related to the Apostle of the Gentiles "Thou seest, brother, how many THOUSANDS OF JEWS THERE ARE WHICH BELIEVE; and THEY ARE ALL zealous OF THE LAW," Acts 21:20.

The same Law THEIR trying BY FIRE is an aspect of, thus, THEIR Prophet's vision, concerning HIS Peope, THEIR Covenant, as to THEIR Holy City, etc., in Daniel et al.

While reply to this subjunctive mood issue of Matt. 24 remains nil on these threads, thus far.

Its the same mood in 23:39.

But, lets skip it, and hide behind, "well, this is about Darby" or some other excuse.

You and yours have so reasoned these things through your own reasoning that no other approach will do.

In conclusion, we have studied the subject of who God's Chosen People are, and have found that, according to the Bible, Israel is now composed of all those who believe in Jesus as Messiah. It is not correct, therefore, to state that the church has REPLACED Israel. Rather, the church IS the continuity of the Old Testament Israel of God; it has only replaced the Jewish nation. There is no more "Jew" and "Gentile" racial distinctions. All nations are now a part of Spiritual Israel in Christ. Christ's kingdom is here now in fullness. All (who were a part of the true spiritual) Israel were saved and given the inheritance (Romans 11:26).

With the advent of the war in the Middle East, many people are wondering what is taking place in a prophetic sense. As preterists, we can say with assurance that the events now taking place are NOT a fulfillment of prophecy. We know that all prophecy was fulfilled in A.D. 70, at which time the New Covenant was fully established, making the Kingdom available to all who would believe in Jesus as Savior (Messiah). Some emotionalism is understandable in time of war. However, we need not fear the Great Tribulation or being "left behind" in the Rapture. We know by the time limitations recorded in the New Testament that these things have already occurred, and we are living in the new spiritual promised land.

Speaking of Jews, here is what the scripture says:



Isaiah 65:15, "And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord GOD shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name:"

Matthew 21:43, "Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof."

The above two verses were fulfilled in 70 AD, when the Jews were slayed, the temple burned down, and the Kingdom of God was taken from the Jews and given to all who believe in Christ.


Who Are God's Chosen People?

Straightshot said:

Zechariah
13:8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.

13:9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God. [Jeremiah 30; Daniel 12:1-7; Zechariah 12; 14; Romans 11]

Click to expand...

Straightshot said:

Zechariah
13:8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.

13:9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God. [Jeremiah 30; Daniel 12:1-7; Zechariah 12; 14; Romans 11]

Click to expand...

Danoh said:

Click to expand...

Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the Lord of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones.

Why don't you mention Zechariah 13:7? Because that event immediately transpires before verses 8-9!

Because verses 8-9 were fulfilled in A.D. 70 immediately after Jesus was crucified.

random person said:

In conclusion, we have studied the subject of who God's Chosen People are, and have found that, according to the Bible, Israel is now composed of all those who believe in Jesus as Messiah. It is not correct, therefore, to state that the church has REPLACED Israel. Rather, the church IS the continuity of the Old Testament Israel of God; it has only replaced the Jewish nation. There is no more "Jew" and "Gentile" racial distinctions. All nations are now a part of Spiritual Israel in Christ. Christ's kingdom is here now in fullness. All (who were a part of the true spiritual) Israel were saved and given the inheritance (Romans 11:26).

With the advent of the war in the Middle East, many people are wondering what is taking place in a prophetic sense. As preterists, we can say with assurance that the events now taking place are NOT a fulfillment of prophecy. We know that all prophecy was fulfilled in A.D. 70, at which time the New Covenant was fully established, making the Kingdom available to all who would believe in Jesus as Savior (Messiah). Some emotionalism is understandable in time of war. However, we need not fear the Great Tribulation or being "left behind" in the Rapture. We know by the time limitations recorded in the New Testament that these things have already occurred, and we are living in the new spiritual promised land.

Speaking of Jews, here is what the scripture says:



Isaiah 65:15, "And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord GOD shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name:"

Matthew 21:43, "Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof."

The above two verses were fulfilled in 70 AD, when the Jews were slayed, the temple burned down, and the Kingdom of God was taken from the Jews and given to all who believe in Christ.


Who Are God's Chosen People?

Click to expand...

Try actually studying these things out in Scripture.

Matthew 23:

1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,

2 Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:

3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

Matthew 21:

43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

45 And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.

Matthew 19:

27 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore?

28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

He was informing ISRAEL'S religious LEADERSHIP He would be replacing THEM - obviously, with HIS Twelve Apostles.

Much more could be offered in this regard, but I am sure your one size fits all is firmly entrenched.

random person said:

Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the Lord of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones.

Why don't you mention Zechariah 13:7? Because that event immediately transpires before verses 8-9!

Because verses 8-9 were fulfilled in A.D. 70 immediately after Jesus was crucified.

Click to expand...

There you go, assuming we have not studied such passages just because we did not post them.

That is one of the errors of your school - your constant reading into other's words.

You actually believe every one of us simply twists passages to fit what we believe.

All that is is an unconcious autobiography of your own approach projected by you onto every one of us.

Its your one size fits all pointing its three fingers back at your process, to no avail.

Danoh said:

Try actually studying these things out in Scripture.

Matthew 23:

1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,

2 Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:

3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

Matthew 21:

43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

45 And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.

Matthew 19:

27 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore?

28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

He was informing ISRAEL'S religious LEADERSHIP He would be replacing THEM with HIS Twelve Apostles.

Much more could be offered in this regard, but I am sure your one size fits all is firmly entrenched.

Click to expand...

No, no, no, Danoh... you are forgetting the parable Jesus spoke immediately after Matthew 21:43 in Matthew 22:1-13:

And Jesus answered and spake unto them again by parables, and said,

The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,

And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.

Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage.

But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise:

And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them.

But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city. JERUSALEM A.D. 70

Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy. THE KINGDOM OF GOD TAKEN AWAY FROM THE JEWISH NATION

Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.

So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests. THE KINGDOM OF GOD GIVEN TO CHRISTIANS THE WORLD OVER

And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:

And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.

Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness, there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

"We just differ on the timing."


And the timing in this case cannot be the same .... one is right, the other wrong ..... some things past fulfilled ..... some things still pending on the Lord's schedule for Israel

The Lord draws the line between

In this case it is the future view in front of us .... things that recorded history does not verify

All of this will happen exactly as written by the prophets

.... and 70 AD was not the time of the end .... this historical event falls way short of the detailed projections of the same by the Lord and His prophets

In fact 70 AD was in the breach of the silence of the prophets and their future end time projections are
still pending as we speak

So what is the problem with the preterist's view?

The proprietary religious traditions of men that have clouded the issue and have replaced truth with error .... and many are captured by the dogmas

These off course teachings of various divisions of the "church", large and small, have snuffed out biblical truth and replaced the same with the preconceived notions of man made religions with all sorts of road blocking perversions

Straightshot said:

"We just differ on the timing."


And the timing in this case cannot be the same .... one is right and one is wrong

Some things past fulfilled ..... some things still pending on the Lord's schedule for Israel

In this case it is the future view in front of us .... things that recorded history does not verify

All of this will happen exactly as written by the prophets

Click to expand...

You dispensationalists have the same mentality that the Pharisees had and that is that there must be a physical Jewish kingdom on earth.

But the Kingdom of God ceased to be a Jewish nation. Or do you believe you are an alien in the Kingdom of God?

The current state of Israel does not have an existing covenant with God. God destroyed it in A.D. 70.

That covenant can not co-exist with the new covenant (Hebrews 8:13 & Hebrews 10:9).