Breaking News: There's Only One Abomination of Desolation!

precepts · Apr 5, 2015

Denominational Christianity is under the guise that there're more than one abomination that maketh desolate, but I would like to make it perfectly clear that there's only one abomination of desolation, and present the true interpretation of Daniel's prophecy.

Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
Dan 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Foundational Fact #1: The middle of the week is when the abomination of desolation is set up.

Foundational Fact #2: The abomination lasts until the "consummation", until the entering in to the New Shalem, which is the marriage of the Lamb in Rev 20.

When is the abomination that maketh desolate set up?

Dan 8:8 Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven.
Dan 8:9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.
Dan 8:10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.
Dan 8:11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.
Dan 8:12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.
Dan 8:13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?
Dan 8:14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

Foundational Fact #3: The abomination of desolation is set up by the Greek little horn during the Greek occupation of Israel, not during the time of the Romans.

Foundational Fact #4: It is 2,300 yrs until the sanctuary is cleansed, which some interpret as the Maccabees cleansing of the temple after Antiochus IV defilement, but they miscalculate the time of the abomination to be the 1,260 days, a literal 3 1/2 yrs when it's not. Dan 8:14 establishes the fact it's also 2,300 days.

Dan 11:29 At the time appointed he shall return, and come toward the south; but it shall not be as the former, or as the latter.
Dan 11:30 For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.
Dan 11:31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.
Dan 11:32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.
Dan 11:33 And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days.
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Dan 11:35 And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.

This is the same Greek little horn that sets up the abomination of desolation in Dan 8.

Foundational Fact #5: He sets up the abomination of desolation with those who forsook the covenant!

Foundational Fact #6: The Pharisees and Sadducees' governing system was the result of the forsaking of the covenant.

Foundational Fact #7: The "prince of the covenant" was the Aaronic high priest lineage that was discontinued by the Greek little horn and the Jews who forsook the covenant, the abomination that made desolate.

Dan 11:21 And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries.
Dan 11:22 And with the arms of a flood shall they be overflown from before him, and shall be broken; yea, also the prince of the covenant.
Dan 11:23 And after the league made with him he shall work deceitfully: for he shall come up, and shall become strong with a small people.

Once again, this is the same Greek little horn. The prince of the covenant is the Aaronic high priest.

Jer 51:59 The word which Jeremiah the prophet commanded Seraiah the son of Neriah, the son of Maaseiah, when he went with Zedekiah the king of Judah into Babylon in the fourth year of his reign. And this Seraiah was a quiet prince.

The proof of Israel's forsaking of the Aaron high priestly lineage covenant is Mal 2.

Dan 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
Dan 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
Dan 12:12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

This is what some interpret to be the Maccabees cleansing and fulfillment of the abomination of desolation, the 1,290 days, the 3 1/2yrs, but again it's not. The abomination lasts until the consummation.

Foundational Fact #8: The governing system in Israel, during Christ time, was the reason for the total desolation of the temple, because of the abomination that made it desolate, set up by the Greek little horn in 198 bc.

Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
Mat 24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
Mat 24:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
Mat 24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Foundational fact #9: The obvious context of these verses proves the "tribulation" happens shorty after the NT temple's total destruction/desolation.

Foundational fact #10: It also proves the "time of the end" and salvation was right around the corner, not 2,000 yrs away.

Foundational Fact #11: The 2,300 days to the sanctuary cleansing and the 1.335th day is the same day, the day of the "consummation", the day of the entering into the New Shalem in Rev 20, the marriage of the Lamb!

Foundational Fact #12: The 2,300 days, the 1.290 days, and the 1,335 days aren't days, but are years the same way the 70wks aren't weeks, but are years. :pray:

Foundational Fact #13: The 70 wks are 70 literal years, hence the 7yrs to the commandment to rebuilt the temple being 7wks.

Foundational Fact #14: As pointed out on another thread on this site, the rebuilding of the wall is not within the 70wks/yrs prophecy, proving the 70wks was literally 70yrs, and that the 70 wks doesn't last 2,000 yrs and pending!

Foundational Fact #15: The middle of the week confirmation, being when the abomination that maketh desolate is set up, isn't within the 70 wks prophecy, and is 1,260 literal yrs, just as the 2,300, the 1,290, and the 1.335 days are yrs. In fact, the 2nd half of the week is included in the 2.300, the 1,290, and the 1.335 days/yrs prior to the "consummation"!

Mar 13:13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Mar 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:
Mar 13:15 And let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither enter therein, to take any thing out of his house:
Mar 13:16 And let him that is in the field not turn back again for to take up his garment.
Mar 13:17 But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
Mar 13:18 And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter.
Mar 13:19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.
Mar 13:20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.

Context is king! The Antichrist spirit has to ignore all these scriptural, foundational facts to perpetrate his fictional account of prophecy.

Foundational Fact #16: The abomination that made desolate lasted from 200 bc, when it was set up, to the "consummation" 1,335 hebrew yrs after, the 2,300th year from the first desecration of the tabernacle at Shiloh, the true foundational timeline for Daniel's prophecy for the "end times".

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Danoh · Apr 5, 2015

You assert context is king and then read your own into the passages.

You obviously do not understand Israel's prophesied role in His re-stablishment, or restoration again, of His kingdom.

As prophesied, their nation's spiritual leadership over them changed, but their prophesied role over the nations of this world did not. It was and remains prophesied to come.

Daniel is in connection with that and Paul is in connection with its temporary interruption.

With said interruption Rome and all that followed went on to come into power only to die out as "days of these kings" powers types; this throws off all attempts to understand Daniel's 70th week within its proper "context."

Disagree after you study this assertion out - don't be like so many on here who right off disregard an assertion only because it does not fit how they look at things.

By the way, Matt. 24: 13 & 14 are NOT referring to the SAME "end."

The chapter actually relates three DIFFERENT ends, one after the other...

Dave Watchman · Apr 5, 2015

precepts said:
Denominational Christianity is under the guise there's more than one abomination that maketh desolate. I want to make it perfectly clear that there's only one abomination of desolation, and to give the true interpretation of Daniel's prophecy.

Foundational Fact #1: The middle of the week is when the abomination of desolation is set up.

Breaking News: There's Only One Abomination of Desolation!

Are you sure?

You gave me a pretty good laugh just when I needed it. I remember you from another forum where you wouldn't accept the explanation that "time, times and half a time" was 1260. I have some very good news for you Brother.

Breaking News: There's Only One Abomination of Desolation that We Have to Worry About.

It's the one that's coming up right around the corner. Even though it's about the Bad Guys launching an attack against us, there's still excellent news regarding the prevailing specifications which will work toward our overwhelming advantage.

Our flight will NOT be in winter. It will be in the month of November, most likely the third full week. I can't really tell if it will be on the Sabbath or not but the evidence points to a Thursday or Friday. The eclipses that Jesus mentioned in Matthew can be found, all you have to do is to backspace 45 days from the "Immediately after" solar eclipse to find Our End Time AofD on the 1290th day.

"from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, X<--------1290-------->X and the abomination that maketh desolate set up"

Our End Time AofD begins 30 days after the 1260th day when Michael stands up for us, we will be untouchable at that time. The 1260th day marks the end of the Beast's 42 months of authority and the sounding of the Seventh Trumpet. The 1260th day also marks The End of the Two Witnesses preaching this Gospel of The Kingdom and God's Plan of Salvation. The Seven bowls begin after the Seventh Trumpet and will only harm the Mark of the Beast guys, this starts 30 days before Our End Time AofD. Let's see how effective the Bad Guys will be trying to chase us while they're being scorched by the sun and nursing a bad case of painful boils.

<----1260---->
<-----1290-----> 0.976744186046512
<------1335------> 0.966292134831461
<-------1372-------> 0.973032069970845

The only secret is day one of Our Appointed Time of The End. Once that day is known then the 1290th Day and the 1335th Day will also be known by anyone able to count. It will be at that time when the reader WILL understand.

precepts · Apr 5, 2015

Danoh said:
You assert context is king and then read your own into the passages.

How could I assert context is king and then read into the passages? Address the facts. Tell me where I strayed from what's written.

It's because you can't address the facts why you come up with with these off base accusations without any proofs.

Danoh said:
You obviously do not understand Israel's prophesied role in His re-stablishment, or restoration again, of His kingdom.

Obviously you don't understand what is being said in Daniel, or you're playing as if you don't.

Danoh said:
As prophesied, their nation's spiritual leadership over them changed, but their prophesied role over the nations of this world did not. It was and remains prophesied to come.

Look who's adding to scripture. Where is it prophecied that Israel's leaders would change? That's the forsaking of the covenant. A fact!

Danoh said:
Daniel is in connection with that and Paul is in connection with its temporary interruption.

You are not making any sense. Address the facts.

Danoh said:
With said interruption Rome and all that followed went on to come into power only to die out as "days of these kings" powers types; this throws off all attempts to understand Daniel's 70th week within its proper "context."

I provided all the 100% proof facts proving the context of Daniel's 70 wks prophecy, as well as verses proving the abomination lasts until the consummation. I gave the proof for the abomination establishment and everything else. I left no room for misconceptions. Address the facts!

Danoh said:
Disagree after you study this assertion out - don't be like so many on here who right off disregard an assertion only because it does not fit how they look at things.

By the way, Matt. 24: 13 & 14 are NOT referring to the SAME "end."

The chapter actually relates three DIFFERENT ends, one after the other...

Prove it!

Mat 24;15, the very next verse, begins with the word "When", referencing to the end. You can't fool me with your vague assertions.

precepts · Apr 5, 2015

Dave Watchman said:
Breaking News: There's Only One Abomination of Desolation!

Are you sure?

You gave me a pretty good laugh just when I needed it. I remember you from another forum where you wouldn't accept the explanation that "time, times and half a time" was 1260. I have some very good news for you Brother.

Friend, you are so off base. I am the one who discovered and revealed the 1,260 days to be time, times, and half of time.

Dave Watchman said:
Breaking News: There's Only One Abomination of Desolation that We Have to Worry About.

It's the one that's coming up right around the corner. Even though it's about the Bad Guys launching an attack against us, there's still excellent news regarding the prevailing specifications which will work toward our overwhelming advantage.

Wow! You don't even have any scriptural proof for your claims. Where does the text mention another abomination of desolation?

Dave Watchman said:
Our flight will NOT be in winter. It will be in the month of November, most likely the third full week. I can't really tell if it will be on the Sabbath or not but the evidence points to a Thursday or Friday.

News Flash: You're taking the verses way out of context. The context was to the Jews in Christ time. That's why is say context is King. In order for any other doctrine other than the truth to come together, you have to take the facts out of context, but the truth will always prevail. ^_^

Dave Watchman said:
The eclipses that Jesus mentioned in Matthew can be found, all you have to do is to backspace 45 days from the "Immediately after" solar eclipse to find Our End Time AofD on the 1290th day.

New Flash: Christ never mentioned an eclipse. You're misinterpreting the phrase the sun turning into blood with a man made term for a lunar eclipse. And that's also a fact.

Try debating the facts and not fiction. If it's not written, don't promote it.

Dave Watchman said:
"from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, X<--------1290-------->X and the abomination that maketh desolate set up"

Our End Time AofD begins 30 days after the 1260th day when Michael stands up for us, we will be untouchable at that time.

Where is the scriptural proof? I don't have time for your opinions. Micheal stands up at the end of the AOD when the dead are judged at the "White Throne" judgment, Rev 20, when the books are opened.

Dave Watchman said:
The 1260th day marks the end of the Beast's 42 months of authority and the sounding of the Seventh Trumpet.

Nowhere to be found in scripture, the 7th trumpet being part of the end of the Beast's authority; and the 1,260the day can't be the end of the Beast's authority because scripture says blessed is he who waits and comes to the 1,335th days, as well as the AOD lasting for 1.290 days/yrs.

Dave Watchman said:
The 1260th day also marks The End of the Two Witnesses preaching this Gospel of The Kingdom and God's Plan of Salvation.

No where to be found in scripture.

Dave Watchman said:
The Seven bowls begin after the Seventh Trumpet and will only harm the Mark of the Beast guys, this starts 30 days before Our End Time AofD. Let's see how effective the Bad Guys will be trying to chase us while they're being scorched by the sun and nursing a bad case of painful boils.

<----1260---->
<-----1290-----> 0.976744186046512
<------1335------> 0.966292134831461
<-------1372-------> 0.973032069970845

The only secret is day one of Our Appointed Time of The End. Once that day is known then the 1290th Day and the 1335th Day will also be known by anyone able to count. It will be at that time when the reader WILL understand.

You are missing the facts the 2,300th day is the 1.335th day and why?

Dan 8:13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?
Dan 8:14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.
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Dan 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
Dan 12:12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

Two different amount of days for the same time of the abomination that maketh desolate.

Plus, you have yet to show me where scripture speaks of another AOD other that the one mentioned in Revelation.

Douggg · Apr 5, 2015

Precepts, read the text in Daniel 8. It is not abomination of desolation, but transgression of desolation.

The transgression is when the person goes into the temple, sits and claims to be God.

The abomination is later on after the person is killed, brought back to life, and the false prophet has an image made of the person and sets it in the temple.

precepts · Apr 5, 2015

Douggg said:
Precepts, read the text in Daniel 8. It is not abomination of desolation, but transgression of desolation.

Dan 8 and 11's context are about the Greek little horn.

The only desolation mentioned in Daniel is the abomination of desolation, so stop straining on the gnat.

Douggg said:
he transgression is when the person goes into the temple, sits and claims to be God.

There is only one abomination that maketh desolate, and if there was a transgression as you say, then Daniel would of mentioned it. If it's not in Daniel, it's not scriptural.

Douggg said:
The abomination is later on after the person is killed, brought back to life, and the false prophet has an image made of the person and sets it in the temple.

Try re-reading the facts. The context of both Mat 24 and Mark 13 point to the tribulation occurring shortly after the temple destruction. There's no room for any misinterpretation.

Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
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Mar 13:19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.
Mar 13:20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.

Simple reading comprehension. :preach:

Interplanner · Apr 5, 2015

there's only one NT interp of the AofD; it's by Christ and it happens during the 1st century to the people he was speaking to who needed its warning to escape from the city and the land.

precepts · Apr 5, 2015

Interplanner said:
there's only one NT interp of the AofD; it's by Christ and it happens during the 1st century to the people he was speaking to who needed its warning to escape from the city and the land.

The AOD can only be defined by the book of Daniel.

Interplanner · Apr 5, 2015

??? You must mean by Christ. It's the only NT passage that mentions it, but everyone seems to be an expert on saying it is something/one else.

We must use the OT the way the NT did.

precepts · Apr 5, 2015

Interplanner said:
??? You must mean by Christ. It's the only NT passage that mentions it, but everyone seems to be an expert on saying it is something/one else.

We must use the OT the way the NT did.

Christ himself said he can't say or do anything of himself, but to fulfill what is written. There is only one abomination of desolation, and even in Mat 24 and Mark 13, Christ references the abomination as being spoken of in Daniel, which proves there's only one.

Douggg · Apr 5, 2015

precepts said:
Dan 8 and 11's context are about the Greek little horn.

The only desolation mentioned in Daniel is the abomination of desolation, so stop straining on the gnat.

There is no greek little horn. The person departs from the direction of one of the 4 breakup kingdoms with a big army - not that he himself has to be of Greek descent. (As a side note there are some you-tube videos of the latest leader Alexis Tsipras of Greece being the Antichrist - I haven't see any information to say that he is a Jew, and other things don't line up.)

There is no abomination of desolation in the text in Daniel 8, kjv. It says transgression because a transgression is an act by a person(s), not something setup to be worshiped.

12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.

13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?

Case in point in Daniel 9, the use of the word transgression.

11 Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him.

There is only one abomination that maketh desolate, and if there was a transgression as you say, then Daniel would of mentioned it. If it's not in Daniel, it's not scriptural.

He DID say transgression in Daniel 8, not abomination. I quoted the verses for you above.

Try re-reading the facts. The context of both Mat 24 and Mark 13 point to the tribulation occurring shortly after the temple destruction. There's no room for any misinterpretation.

Simple reading comprehension.

This is becoming sickening. I point something out to you, explain it to you that the transgression of desolation is the person going into the temple, sitting, claiming to be God 2thessalonians 2:3-4, while the abomination of desolation is something else; and you are so stubborn.......... :doh:

...you turn it around as though I am the one who can't read.

Bible2 · Apr 6, 2015

precepts said in post 11:

. . . even in Mat 24 and Mark 13, Christ references the abomination as being spoken of in Daniel, which proves there's only one.

Regarding the "abomination of desolation", Daniel 11:31 was typically fulfilled by the abomination of desolation in 1 Maccabees 1:54, which occurred in the holy place (the inner sanctum) of the 2nd Jewish temple in Jerusalem in the time of Antiochus IV. But per Jesus' statement in Matthew 24:15, the church will see the abomination of desolation in Daniel 11:31 fulfilled (antitypically) in the future, when the church will see the abomination of desolation stand in the holy place (of a 3rd Jewish temple in Jerusalem). This future abomination of desolation could be a standing, android image of the Antichrist (Revelation 13:15) which his followers ("they") will put in the holy place of the temple (Daniel 11:31) to be worshipped (Revelation 13:15), after they have stopped the daily Mosaic animal sacrifices which the ultra-Orthodox Jews will have restarted in front of the temple (Daniel 11:31). This image will pollute the holy place of the temple (Daniel 11:31).

The Antichrist will then fulfill Daniel 11:36 and 2 Thessalonians 2:4 by sitting himself (at least one time) in the temple and proclaiming himself God. By the power of Satan (the dragon, Revelation 12:9), the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast") will then rule and be worshipped by all the nations of the earth for 3.5 literal years (Revelation 13:4-18), and will physically overcome Biblical Christians (not in hiding) in every nation (Revelation 13:7-10, Revelation 14:12-13, Revelation 20:4-6, Matthew 24:9-13).

Also, from the day on which (antitypically) "the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be 1,290 days. Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the 1,335 days" (Daniel 12:11-12, Revelation 16:15). Also, because the Antichrist will fulfill Daniel 11:31 antitypically (Matthew 24:15) and will fulfill Daniel 11:36 for the first (and only) time, then he will also fulfill all of Daniel 11:21-45 (the first part of it antitypically, and the rest for the first and only time) when he arises on the world stage, for that passage refers to the career of the same man. And since the Antichrist will fulfill all of Daniel 11:21-45 when he arises on the world stage, then just preceding his arising on the world stage, Daniel 11:13-19 could be fulfilled antitypically by an Iraqi Baathist General completely defeating and occupying Israel and Egypt with a huge Iraqi Army (Daniel 11:15-17; in verse 17 the original Hebrew word translated as "daughter" is "bath").

precepts · Apr 6, 2015

Douggg said:
There is no greek little horn. The person departs from the direction of one of the 4 breakup kingdoms with a big army - not that he himself has to be of Greek descent.

There's no greek little horn?

Dan 8:8 Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven.
Dan 8:9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

If you can't comprehend the simplest things in Daniel, how can you understand anything else?

Douggg said:
(As a side note there are some you-tube videos of the latest leader Alexis Tsipras of Greece being the Antichrist - I haven't see any information to say that he is a Jew, and other things don't line up.)

Why are you telling me about a future Antichrist when I provided the proof proving he reigned during the NT times. You're purposely ignoring the facts for fiction. Mat 24 and Mk 13 specifically states the tribulation happened right after the temple desolation. Facts no one can logically deny.

Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
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Mar 13:19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.
Mar 13:20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.

What does "for then" and "for in those days" mean? ^_^

Douggg said:
There is no abomination of desolation in the text in Daniel 8, kjv. It says transgression because a transgression is an act by a person(s), not something setup to be worshiped.

12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.

13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?

Case in point in Daniel 9, the use of the word transgression.

11 Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him.

You are straining on a gnat. What is the transgression in Dan 8? and I wasn't denying the use of the word transgression in Dan 8. I was merely pointing out the fact it's not a different act. It's the same abomination that maketh desolate because both chapters are about the greek kings, the greek little horn to be more specific.

Dan 8:13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?
Dan 8:14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.
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Dan 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
Dan 12:12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

These are simple observations. Both Dan 8 and 11 are about the greek kings and the little greek horn. Undeniable facts. What you are trying to define as the transgression of desolation is the abomination of desolation. The context is about the greek little horn, which was my original point.

You're straining on a gnat, on word play, when all the facts prove it's the same instance, the same deed. No contest!

Douggg said:
He DID say transgression in Daniel 8, not abomination. I quoted the verses for you above.

I wasn't arguing the fact. I was simply saying they're both the same act. What you're calling the transgression of desolation is the abomination of desolation, different wordiing for the same thing. It's not two different act because both chapters are elaborating on the greek little horn that causes the abomination. The fact outweighs the insinuation.

Douggg said:
This is becoming sickening. I point something out to you, explain it to you that the transgression of desolation is the person going into the temple, sitting, claiming to be God 2thessalonians 2:3-4, while the abomination of desolation is something else;

You are ignoring the context of both Dan 8 and 11. They are about the greek kings, the greek little horn to be more specific. Dan 8 has nothing to do with the Romans. The whole of Daniel's account of the greek kings ended with the greek empire. You are taking it way out of context. There's only one abomination of desolation.

Nice try though, trying to fit I Thes into Dan 8, but the contest of Dan 11 and 8 proves they are talking about the same thing.

Dan 8:13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?
Dan 8:14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.
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Dan 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
Dan 12:12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

The trangression of abomination is the abomination of desolation. The "transgression of abomination" is defined in the above verse as "to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot", which is the abomination that maketh desolate, the ending of the Aaronic high priestly lineage. No contest!

Douggg said:
and you are so stubborn.......... ...you turn it around as though I am the one who can't read.

You are the one ignoring the context of both chapters which proves they are elaborating on the same deed, misinterpreting/misreading what is being said.

The two chapters are relaying the deeds of the greek little horn. Dan 8 can't be future tense because the beast kingdoms are listed in succession. In order for your theory to work, like I said in the beginning of this thread, you have to ignore basic foundational facts in Daniel.

Straightshot · Apr 6, 2015

There is only one "abomination of desolation" specified in scripture standing in the "holy place" [topos], top of the temple mount

Directly related scriptures: [Zechariah 14:4-5; Daniel 8:9-14; 9:27; Matthew 24:15-16 Revelation 11:2]

What is it?

A direct description is not given

Suggestions:

The Muslim dome of the Rock

The little horn himself

precepts · Apr 6, 2015

Bible2 said:
Regarding the "abomination of desolation", Daniel 11:31 was typically fulfilled by the abomination of desolation in 1 Maccabees 1:54, which occurred in the holy place (the inner sanctum) of the 2nd Jewish temple in Jerusalem in the time of Antiochus IV. But per Jesus' statement in Matthew 24:15, the church will see the abomination of desolation in Daniel 11:31 fulfilled (antitypically) in the future, when the church will see the abomination of desolation stand in the holy place (of a 3rd Jewish temple in Jerusalem). This future abomination of desolation could be a standing, android image of the Antichrist (Revelation 13:15) which his followers ("they") will put in the holy place of the temple (Daniel 11:31) to be worshipped (Revelation 13:15), after they have stopped the daily Mosaic animal sacrifices which the ultra-Orthodox Jews will have restarted in front of the temple (Daniel 11:31). This image will pollute the holy place of the temple (Daniel 11:31).

There's only one abomination that maketh desolate, and it lasts until the "consummation". Mat 24 and Mk 13 specifically states the tribulation occurred shortly after the temple destruction. You can't deny that and be logical.

Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
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Mar 13:19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.
Mar 13:20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.

Your accusations are without merit. The phrases "for then" and "for in those days" proves the fact, and the context isn't for a rebuilt temple generation, but for those standing there when the message was given.

Bible2 said:
The Antichrist will then fulfill Daniel 11:36 and 2 Thessalonians 2:4 by sitting himself (at least one time) in the temple and proclaiming himself God. By the power of Satan (the dragon, Revelation 12:9), the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast") will then rule and be worshipped by all the nations of the earth for 3.5 literal years (Revelation 13:4-18), and will physically overcome Biblical Christians (not in hiding) in every nation (Revelation 13:7-10, Revelation 14:12-13, Revelation 20:4-6, Matthew 24:9-13).

You have to ignore the scriptural facts that there was only one abomination of desolation that lasted until the consummation; the fact that the Pharisees and Sadducees were part of the forsaking of the covenant; the fact that the Aaronic high priestly lineage was ended; plus, take Mat 24 and Mk 13 out of context etc; and in the true spirit of Antichrist, support a nation that's Antichrist to form your theory of nothingness.

Bible2 said:
Also, from the day on which (antitypically) "the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be 1,290 days. Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the 1,335 days" (Daniel 12:11-12, Revelation 16:15). Also, because the Antichrist will fulfill Daniel 11:31 antitypically (Matthew 24:15) and will fulfill Daniel 11:36 for the first (and only) time, then he will also fulfill all of Daniel 11:21-45 (the first part of it antitypically, and the rest for the first and only time) when he arises on the world stage, for that passage refers to the career of the same man. And since the Antichrist will fulfill all of Daniel 11:21-45 when he arises on the world stage, then just preceding his arising on the world stage, Daniel 11:13-19 could be fulfilled antitypically by an Iraqi Baathist General completely defeating and occupying Israel and Egypt with a huge Iraqi Army (Daniel 11:15-17; in verse 17 the original Hebrew word translated as "daughter" is "bath").

Mat 24 and Mk 13 specifically states the tribulation happens shortly after the temple destruction. The fact can't be denied.

Ignoring the facts breeds fiction!

Codger · Apr 6, 2015

precepts said:
Denominational Christianity is under the guise there's more than one abomination that maketh desolate. I want to make it perfectly clear that there's only one abomination of desolation, and to give the true interpretation of Daniel's prophecy.

More Futurist nonsense. Why don't you read some history?

Abomination of Desolation Part 1 - Daniel 11:29-32

Daniel prophesied many things that took place over about 600 years into his future. He uses the Term abomination of desolation three times in his book. Each was for a different historical event. If anyone is interested I will cover all three mentions but here I am just covering the first in order to show that there was more than one.

Ezekiel, like Daniel, also prophesied the coming of Antiochus Epiphanes in Chapters 38-39. The two books of Maccabees relate the fulfilled history of this event. Ezekiel's book is written in apocalyptic language which makes it much harder to understand in our 21st century.

Daniel 11:29-32 Abomination of desolation
This is the easiest of the three mentions of the term "Abomination of Desolation." Most agree that this is a reference to Antiochus Epiphanes After 169 BC, he encouraged his people to worship him as the Greek god Zeus, taking the title "Theos Epiphanes", meaning "the manifest God", believing that he was an incarnation of Zeus. His enemies called him "Epimanes", meaning "mad-man", a change which only required altering a single letter in the Greek.

The history of this event is plentiful on the Internet so I won't duplicate much of it here.

Daniel 11:29-32 (NASB)
At the appointed time he (Antiochus) will return and come into the South, (Egypt) but this last time (this was his second excursion into Egypt) it will not turn out the way it did before. [30] "For ships of Kittim (Roman Navy possibly stationed at Cypress) will come against him; (At the behest of Egypt's king Ptolemy) therefore he will be disheartened, and will return (back to the north and passing Jerusalem) and become enraged at the holy covenant and take action; so he will come back and show regard for those (Jews) who forsake the holy covenant. [31] "And forces from him will arise, desecrate the sanctuary fortress, and do away with the regular sacrifice (two Tamid lambs per day) And they will set up the abomination of desolation. [32] "And by smooth words he will turn to godlessness those who act wickedly toward the covenant, but the people who know their God will display strength and take action.[bless and do not curse] (Maccabees)

Cut-n-paste
On his second incursion into Egypt, again, he captured Memphis, and then marched to Alexandria. Meanwhile, Roman forces had arrived in Egypt, "the ships of Kittim" predicted by Daniel (Dan 11:30). Before he could take Alexandria, he was met by the Roman representative, Popillus Laenas, who had been his friend during his years as a hostage in Rome. Refusing to shake his hand and greet him as a friend, Laenas instead handed him a written ultimatum from the Roman Senate, telling him to leave Egypt immediately. He asked for time to consider and to consult his advisers, but Laenas drew a circle in the sand around Antiochus with his sword, and demanded an answer before he stepped out of the circle. Being already familiar with the power of Rome, he did not dare to disobey, but he agreed to retreat. Only then would Laenas shake his hand on the basis of past friendship. Antiochus was angry and humiliated that his dream of dominating Egypt had been frustrated.

Turning back toward Syria - In his frustration he expressed his anger by attacking Jerusalem. He needed a secure frontier in the south against the new threat of Roman power in Egypt. He could no longer allow Jerusalem to follow a religion different from the rest of his kingdom. In 167 BC, he sent a force of 22,000 soldiers, led by Apollonius to Jerusalem. Pretending to come in peace, they attacked the city on the Sabbath, in full knowledge that orthodox Jews would not fight on their holy day, and slaughtered many of its inhabitants (1 Macc 1:31-35, 2 Macc 5:24-26, and predicted in Dan 11:31). They took many women and children captive as slaves, then plundered and burned the city, and pulled down its walls.

As 1 Maccabees explains: "When the soldiers entered Jerusalem, their commander spoke to the people, offering them terms of peace and completely deceiving them. Then he suddenly launched a fierce attack on the city, dealing it a major blow and killing many of the people. He plundered the city, set it on fire, and tore down its buildings and walls. He and his army took the women and children as prisoners and seized the cattle. Then Antiochus and his forces built high walls and strong towers in the area north of the Temple, turning it into a fort ..." (1:29-33, TEV).

Then came the worst. Daniel's prophecy warned of Antiochus: "And forces shall be mustered by him, and they shall defile the sanctuary fortress; then they shall take away the daily sacrifices, and place there the "Abomination of Desolation" (Daniel 11:31).

Then it happened: "On the fifteenth day of the month Kislev in the year 145" (verse 54, TEV), which corresponds to 167 B.C., "they set up the Abomination of Desolation upon the altar" of the temple (verse 54, KJV). This was apparently a pagan altar with an image of the Greek chief god Zeus set up atop the temple altar. After all, to the Greek mind the God of the Hebrews simply equated to the chief god in the Greeks' pantheon.
End - cut-n-paste

It took the Maccabees three years to expel the Syrian armies from Jerusalem. It took another six months to cleanse the Temple. It was not just a matter of washing down the place with Lysol and a garden hose - they removed the stones from the floor and the dirt underneath to attempt the clean up. The rededication is known of course as Hanukah. Chislev 25 (16th December 167 BC), to Chislev 25 (16th December 164 BC), There are a lot of confusing dates on this. Some think the Temple was cleansed overnight. They today are celebrating the recapture or the city and not the day of rededication. I[bless and do not curse] follow Josephus who says it was 3 ½ years. See below.

Daniel 11:31 (which was fulfilled on Chislev 25th 164BC)

Flavius Josephus tells us "The king [Antiochus] being thereto disposed beforehand, complied with them, [The Tobiads who wanted to Hellenize Jerusalem] and came upon the Jews with a great army, and took their city by force, and slew a great multitude of those that favored Ptolemy, (King of Egypt) and sent out his soldiers to plunder them without mercy. He also spoiled the temple, and put a stop to the constant practice of offering a daily sacrifice of expiation for three years and six months.

In other words the daily sacrifice was abolished for 3 ½ years in total.

Daniel 8:9-13 (NIV2011) 13 Then I heard a holy one speaking, and another holy one said to him, "How long will it take for the vision to be fulfilled-the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, the rebellion that causes desolation, the surrender of the sanctuary and the trampling underfoot of the LORD's people?" 14 He said to me, "It will take 2,300 evenings and mornings; then (after this) the sanctuary will be re consecrated."

How long would it take for the vision to be fulfilled? 2,300 evenings and mornings (two tamid lambs were sacrificed each day as a minimum requirement - one in AM and one in the PM) So we see that the number of sacrifices is 2,300 (two per day) or 2,300 divided by 2 equals 1,150 days. So Antiochus would be in control of the temple for 1,150 days.

After the 1,150 days the sanctuary would be cleansed. As we saw earlier Josephus tells us that this lasted for a total of 3 ½ years. So it took six months to cleanse the Temple of the pollution.

Using the Greek calendar - which was used in the time of Antiochus and assuming that the years of 146 and 148 were intercalary years, we can take the Maccabean dates of[bless and do not curse] 9-15-145 to 9-25-148 and determine that the time interval is three years and ten days. And so we have...

3 x 360 equals ***********************1080 days
2 x 30 (2 intercalary months)*************60 days
From 15th to 25th equals ****************10 days
Total *******************************1,150 days

Summary - just what was the Abomination of Desolation? It was threefold.
1. Antiochus and his army were in the Temple - Gentiles were not allowed in the Temple under pain of death.

2. Antiochus had put a statue of Zeus (on his pagan alter) in the Temple, (in his likeness) which was an abomination.

3. Antiochus had sacrificed a pig (unclean animal to the Jews) on the pagan alter in the Temple.

This was the very first fulfillment of the term Abomination that causes Desolation. And it was fulfilled in the second century BC. And so history indicates the fact that there were more than one instances of the AoD. In fact the second mention chronologically was the unjust trial of Jesus , and the third mentioned by Jesus was the takeover of the Temple by the cutthroat terrorists while the army of Cestius surrounded the city of Jerusalem. There were three different events - not one.

precepts · Apr 6, 2015

Straightshot said:
There is only one "abomination of desolation" specified in scripture standing in the "holy place" [topos], top of the temple mount

Directly related scriptures: [Zechariah 14:4-5; Daniel 8:9-14; 9:27; Matthew 24:15-16 Revelation 11:2]

What is it?

A direct description is not given

Suggestions:

The Muslim dome of the Rock

The little horn himself

Like I said before, the spirit of Antichrist has to take scripture out of context and ignore basic scriptural facts to form their false doctrine.

All the facts are given. There's only one abomination of desolation and it lasted until the consummation.

precepts · Apr 6, 2015

More Futurist nonsense. Why don't you read some history?

Abomination of Desolation Part 1 - Daniel 11:29-32

Daniel prophesied many things that took place over about 600 years into his future. He uses the Term abomination of desolation three times in his book. Each was for a different historical event. If anyone is interested I will cover all three mentions but here I am just covering the first in order to show that there was more than one.

Ezekiel, like Daniel, also prophesied the coming of Antiochus Epiphanes in Chapters 38-39. The two books of Maccabees relate the fulfilled history of this event. Ezekiel's book is written in apocalyptic language which makes it much harder to understand in our 21st century.

Daniel 11:29-32 Abomination of desolation
This is the easiest of the three mentions of the term "Abomination of Desolation." Most agree that this is a reference to Antiochus Epiphanes After 169 BC, he encouraged his people to worship him as the Greek god Zeus, taking the title "Theos Epiphanes", meaning "the manifest God", believing that he was an incarnation of Zeus. His enemies called him "Epimanes", meaning "mad-man", a change which only required altering a single letter in the Greek.

The history of this event is plentiful on the Internet so I won't duplicate much of it here.

Daniel 11:29-32 (NASB)
At the appointed time he (Antiochus) will return and come into the South, (Egypt) but this last time (this was his second excursion into Egypt) it will not turn out the way it did before. [30] "For ships of Kittim (Roman Navy possibly stationed at Cypress) will come against him; (At the behest of Egypt's king Ptolemy) therefore he will be disheartened, and will return (back to the north and passing Jerusalem) and become enraged at the holy covenant and take action; so he will come back and show regard for those (Jews) who forsake the holy covenant. [31] "And forces from him will arise, desecrate the sanctuary fortress, and do away with the regular sacrifice (two Tamid lambs per day) And they will set up the abomination of desolation. [32] "And by smooth words he will turn to godlessness those who act wickedly toward the covenant, but the people who know their God will display strength and take action.[bless and do not curse] (Maccabees)

Cut-n-paste
On his second incursion into Egypt, again, he captured Memphis, and then marched to Alexandria. Meanwhile, Roman forces had arrived in Egypt, "the ships of Kittim" predicted by Daniel (Dan 11:30). Before he could take Alexandria, he was met by the Roman representative, Popillus Laenas, who had been his friend during his years as a hostage in Rome. Refusing to shake his hand and greet him as a friend, Laenas instead handed him a written ultimatum from the Roman Senate, telling him to leave Egypt immediately. He asked for time to consider and to consult his advisers, but Laenas drew a circle in the sand around Antiochus with his sword, and demanded an answer before he stepped out of the circle. Being already familiar with the power of Rome, he did not dare to disobey, but he agreed to retreat. Only then would Laenas shake his hand on the basis of past friendship. Antiochus was angry and humiliated that his dream of dominating Egypt had been frustrated.

Turning back toward Syria - In his frustration he expressed his anger by attacking Jerusalem. He needed a secure frontier in the south against the new threat of Roman power in Egypt. He could no longer allow Jerusalem to follow a religion different from the rest of his kingdom. In 167 BC, he sent a force of 22,000 soldiers, led by Apollonius to Jerusalem. Pretending to come in peace, they attacked the city on the Sabbath, in full knowledge that orthodox Jews would not fight on their holy day, and slaughtered many of its inhabitants (1 Macc 1:31-35, 2 Macc 5:24-26, and predicted in Dan 11:31). They took many women and children captive as slaves, then plundered and burned the city, and pulled down its walls.

As 1 Maccabees explains: "When the soldiers entered Jerusalem, their commander spoke to the people, offering them terms of peace and completely deceiving them. Then he suddenly launched a fierce attack on the city, dealing it a major blow and killing many of the people. He plundered the city, set it on fire, and tore down its buildings and walls. He and his army took the women and children as prisoners and seized the cattle. Then Antiochus and his forces built high walls and strong towers in the area north of the Temple, turning it into a fort ..." (1:29-33, TEV).

Then came the worst. Daniel's prophecy warned of Antiochus: "And forces shall be mustered by him, and they shall defile the sanctuary fortress; then they shall take away the daily sacrifices, and place there the "Abomination of Desolation" (Daniel 11:31).

Then it happened: "On the fifteenth day of the month Kislev in the year 145" (verse 54, TEV), which corresponds to 167 B.C., "they set up the Abomination of Desolation upon the altar" of the temple (verse 54, KJV). This was apparently a pagan altar with an image of the Greek chief god Zeus set up atop the temple altar. After all, to the Greek mind the God of the Hebrews simply equated to the chief god in the Greeks' pantheon.
End - cut-n-paste

It took the Maccabees three years to expel the Syrian armies from Jerusalem. It took another six months to cleanse the Temple. It was not just a matter of washing down the place with Lysol and a garden hose - they removed the stones from the floor and the dirt underneath to attempt the clean up. The rededication is known of course as Hanukah. Chislev 25 (16th December 167 BC), to Chislev 25 (16th December 164 BC), There are a lot of confusing dates on this. Some think the Temple was cleansed overnight. They today are celebrating the recapture or the city and not the day of rededication. I[bless and do not curse] follow Josephus who says it was 3 ½ years. See below.

Daniel 11:31 (which was fulfilled on Chislev 25th 164BC)

Flavius Josephus tells us "The king [Antiochus] being thereto disposed beforehand, complied with them, [The Tobiads who wanted to Hellenize Jerusalem] and came upon the Jews with a great army, and took their city by force, and slew a great multitude of those that favored Ptolemy, (King of Egypt) and sent out his soldiers to plunder them without mercy. He also spoiled the temple, and put a stop to the constant practice of offering a daily sacrifice of expiation for three years and six months.

In other words the daily sacrifice was abolished for 3 ½ years in total.

Daniel 8:9-13 (NIV2011) 13 Then I heard a holy one speaking, and another holy one said to him, "How long will it take for the vision to be fulfilled-the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, the rebellion that causes desolation, the surrender of the sanctuary and the trampling underfoot of the LORD's people?" 14 He said to me, "It will take 2,300 evenings and mornings; then (after this) the sanctuary will be re consecrated."

How long would it take for the vision to be fulfilled? 2,300 evenings and mornings (two tamid lambs were sacrificed each day as a minimum requirement - one in AM and one in the PM) So we see that the number of sacrifices is 2,300 (two per day) or 2,300 divided by 2 equals 1,150 days. So Antiochus would be in control of the temple for 1,150 days.

After the 1,150 days the sanctuary would be cleansed. As we saw earlier Josephus tells us that this lasted for a total of 3 ½ years. So it took six months to cleanse the Temple of the pollution.

Using the Greek calendar - which was used in the time of Antiochus and assuming that the years of 146 and 148 were intercalary years, we can take the Maccabean dates of[bless and do not curse] 9-15-145 to 9-25-148 and determine that the time interval is three years and ten days. And so we have...

3 x 360 equals ***********************1080 days
2 x 30 (2 intercalary months)*************60 days
From 15th to 25th equals ****************10 days
Total *******************************1,150 days

Summary - just what was the Abomination of Desolation? It was threefold.
1. Antiochus and his army were in the Temple - Gentiles were not allowed in the Temple under pain of death.

2. Antiochus had put a statue of Zeus (on his pagan alter) in the Temple, (in his likeness) which was an abomination.

3. Antiochus had sacrificed a pig (unclean animal to the Jews) on the pagan alter in the Temple.

This was the very first fulfillment of the term Abomination that causes Desolation. And it was fulfilled in the second century BC. And so history indicates the fact that there were more than one instances of the AoD. In fact the second mention chronologically was the unjust trial of Jesus , and the third mentioned by Jesus was the takeover of the Temple by the cutthroat terrorists while the army of Cestius surrounded the city of Jerusalem. There were three different events - not one.

I don't have the time to go thru this with you, but you haven't proven squat! The fact that each chapter that defines the abomination in Daniel's context is greek proves there's only one abomination of desolation. You have to ignore all the foundational facts I provided to post fiction. Mat 24 and Mk 13 proves the tribulation happened after the temple destruction etc. The Pharisees and Sadducees were the result of the Jews forsaking of the covenant, their forsaking of the Aaronic high priestly lineage etc. Facts you have to ignore in order to promote your fictitious doctrine.

precepts · Apr 6, 2015

P.S. Josephus adopted the name of the Beast, Flavius. He isn't God.

And the Maccabees forsook God's covenant with the sons of Aaron.

Facts you can't accept.

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