Which is Greatest, Good Friday or Easter?

What was the greatest day since creation?

  • Good Friday, the day Jesus died

  • Easter Day, the day Jesus rose

  • Jesus' birth

  • Jesus' ascension


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ebia

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Could you show me what it means then that He would be resurrected "after 3 days"? Could you tell me why He specifically told us that it would be "3 days and 3 nights" in the tomb?
They're all equivalent statements as soon an you stop back imposing your modernistic understanding of time.

Perhaps you could show me somewhere that that concept is illustrated. Make it from scripture as a first choice of course. If not that - even a historical Jewish example would do for starters.
One wouldn't expect that. The default assumption is that the texts and characters speak in the terms of that era, not in 20th century terms and ideas. The onus would be on you to show that Jesus is working in an anachronistic framework of time thinking, not for anyone to show he wasn't.

But why not just take it all literally since there are a dozen or so other discrepancies that come into play if it was Friday - and none if it was Wednesday?
your way of reading isn't more literal or mine less.
Its not a question of literalness
Its a question of reading a text in a first century way or imposing a 20th century understanding onto it

Most people's reaction to an easy explanation would be something like, "Oh my. That's too easy. Why didn't I see that before? That clears up all of the supposed errors that people point out in the passion week stories. And, look how all of the Passover types fall into place."
I've read through John 19 and 20 and there is nothing there that indicates a Sunday resurrection. The closest I can come is the statement in early chapter 20 that says that the stone had already been taken out of the way by Sunday morning.
1. John has set his whole gospel as a creation story, right from paragraph one.
2. John frames his core resurrection story with "on the first day of the week at beginning and at the end". When John says something twice that's means its vital to understanding what is going on, not just a random fact.
3. John emphasises that this is in a garden, even to the point where Mary mistakes Jesus for the gardener.
This is a creation story.
4. On Friday John has Pilate saying "Behold the man"
5. On Saturday Jesus 'rests'

Its a creation story - the story of new creation. (and new exodus, at the same time, hence its Miriam)

and thats far more important that trying to fix discrepancies about what day things happened relative to passover lamb slaughtering time
 
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AnticipateHisComing said:
As Holy Week starts I am reminded of a statement made by my pastor last Easter. He said:

"That Easter day that Jesus rose was the greatest day ever."

I don't ever recall a pastor saying that and was a little uncomfortable with it. I think the day Jesus died/Good Friday to be the greatest day ever. So when in doubt, ask CF. So my poll question is:

What was the greatest day since creation?
1) Good Friday, the day Jesus died
2) Easter Day, the day Jesus rose
3) Jesus' birth
4) Jesus' ascension

I believe it to be the day Jesus died, for on that day he atoned for all our sin. It is the reason why he took on flesh. It was the sacrifice to end all sacrifice. It is why millions of Christians wear crosses.
Romans 3:25 God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement, through the shedding of his blood—to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished
Certainly Easter should be celebrated with much joy. It brings hope and is a great assurance of our faith and eventual resurrection for ourselves.
1 Peter 1:3 Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,




"For as often as you do this - you do celebrate the Lord's DEATH until He Comes" 1 Cor 11:26.

The greatest "Sign" that God the Father accepted Christ's sacrifice as perfect, full and complete, is the resurrection.

But the single greatest event in salvation - the TURNING point was the cross. "Father if it be possible let this cup PASS from Me" Matt 26:39

For this moment all the demons of hell were prepared to presss Christ not to go through with it - his people would reject him - his own disciple betray Him, one of the THREE would deny him thrice. And at every step the utmost torture so that at any moment - Christ would choose 12 legions of loyal angels instead.

John 18

. 11So Jesus said to Peter, "Put the sword into the sheath; the cup which the Father has given Me, shall I not drink it?" 12So the Roman cohort and the commander and the officers of the Jews, arrested Jesus and bound Him,…

Matt 26
52Then Jesus said to him, "Put your sword back into its place; for all those who take up the sword shall perish by the sword. 53"Or do you think that I cannot appeal to My Father, and He will at once put at My disposal more than twelve legions of angels? 54"How then will the Scriptures be fulfilled, which say that it must happen this way?"…

The fate of all humanity hung in the balance on Friday - but when the Sabbath came it was "a done deal" salvation was assured. No more decisions to make -- no more suffering to endure - from then on it was going to rest - and then heaven.

in Christ,

Bob
 
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AnticipateHisComing said:
That may be fine that a new tradition was started to worship on Sunday, but I asked for scripture to support the statement by another poster that each Sunday should be a celebration of Easter.

Scripture mostly tells us the story.
It doesn't tell us how to respond to the story, or explicitly lay out what's going on at every point
I asked for scripture and you tell me a story.

AnticipateHisComing said:
As for your comment that the sacrament of communion also includes the resurrection, can you give me a scripture verse that teaches that?

It works itself out in what it sets communion up as. It's clearly set up as the new passover feast. The old passover feast joins one in the particpation of the whole Exodus. So then it follows that the new passover feast joins one into the whole new Passover. The whole trip through the red-sea : death and resurrection. And if we hadn't got the connection, the only point in John's gospel where Mary Mag. is called by her given name is the point where Jesus does so: "Mariam" - and has her, the new Miriam, announce to the world the New Exodus.

Communion is a sacrament instituted by Jesus himself in remembrance of his death. It is a new covenant that replaces the old covenant. Hebrews goes on at length explaining how Jesus is the perfect sacrifice that ends all sacrifices; that Jesus death is the source of our forgiveness.

Now I ask does not scripture define the important details of the covenants? What good would an agreement between God and man be if it was not defined and described?

This has been done for the new covenant of communion. Jesus and Paul are quite clear in defining it to be about Jesus death. You suppose an added meaning with obscure scripture text. You could in the same manner expand communion to be about Jesus whole life, birth through second coming. Then you could add how it works in our lives. Then you could add the fall of Adam and Eve and everything that has happened since day 1 to the last day.

The problem I have with these additional thoughts, is not that they are incorrect, but that people's attention span is limited and the more you add, the more you dilute the greatest part of communion. It should be clear that the greatest part of communion and the new covenant is forgiveness and grace in Jesus blood.

The point of my OP was to think what is of greatest importance. Having a poll, the OP is open to opinions, and opinions are fine on a personal level. We are all wired differently. We can't all be the same. But, I will try and find scripture to point me to the best answer for myself.

It saddens me that the modern Church so often works to remove punishment and wrath from being any kind of significant part of God. I guess that is why I think remembrance of Jesus death on Good Friday and in communion is so important.
 
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"For as often as you do this - you do celebrate the Lord's DEATH until He Comes" 1 Cor 11:26.

The greatest "Sign" that God the Father accepted Christ's sacrifice as perfect, full and complete, is the resurrection.

But the single greatest event in salvation - the TURNING point was the cross. "Father if it be possible let this cup PASS from Me" Matt 26:39

Thanks for bringing the thread back on topic. :thumbsup:
 
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I asked for scripture and you tell me a story.
Mostly that's what scripture does.

If you don't like that, I suggest you take it up with God.

It's curious how those most adamant we go to scripture haven't the faintest idea what to do with most of it.

Communion is a sacrament instituted by Jesus himself in remembrance of his death. It is a new covenant that replaces the old covenant. Hebrews goes on at length explaining how Jesus is the perfect sacrifice that ends all sacrifices; that Jesus death is the source of our forgiveness.
That's not wrong, but it's not everything there is to say on the subject.

Now I ask does not scripture define the important details of the covenants? What good would an agreement between God and man be if it was not defined and described?
Mostly scripture works through story.
Which makes a lot of sense. Most cultures except ours recognise that story is a primary - the primary - way of teaching things.

You ignore that and you miss 90% of what is going on.

The problem I have with these additional thoughts, is not that they are incorrect, but that people's attention span is limited and the more you add, the more you dilute the greatest part of communion. It should be clear that the greatest part of communion and the new covenant is forgiveness and grace in Jesus blood.
Er, no.
the greatest part of what happened is the beginning of new creation. The making all things new. Forgiveness is useless without putting to rights.
Communion is particpation in all of that.
 
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Mostly that's what scripture does.
You and your stories, ignore the significance of God's covenants. These are special, much above the many stories that are in the Bible.
If you don't like that, I suggest you take it up with God.
My argument is with you, far from God. If you wish to speak for God, quote his words, not your "story summary".
It's curious how those most adamant we go to scripture haven't the faintest idea what to do with most of it.

I am always amazed at CF posts that resort to insults and slander as if it would convince any of the position they have. I find it a most desperate act and evidence against what they posit. Interesting, that these statements were the only ones posted on April first.
That's not wrong, but it's not everything there is to say on the subject.

"That's not wrong." What a glowing confirmation of the significance of Jesus death in communion. This agrees with a preponderance of clear scripture.

"Not everything," My point is not to tell of every aspect of communion, only the most important. Let me give you a hint from scripture. When scripture repeats the same thing a multiple of times and speaks at length on it, that is the important part.

Mostly scripture works through story.
Which makes a lot of sense. Most cultures except ours recognise that story is a primary - the primary - way of teaching things.

You ignore that and you miss 90% of what is going on.
Thanks for another compliment.

My thread is one of superlatives. Such as, it does not dwell on the 90% but the most important. There are clearly some things in scripture that are more important than other. You take a different position than I on what is most important though. Obviously other stories are still important.

Er, no.
the greatest part of what happened is the beginning of new creation. The making all things new. Forgiveness is useless without putting to rights.
Communion is particpation in all of that.

Er, yes. I love these academic exchanges, if only there was one with authority to say who was right.

I will go back to my argument on covenants. There are not that many in scripture. They are very clearly defined and quite simple, not requiring the ability to "eat meat" to understand them. Reason being, they are between God and man/the masses, not just the few enlightened that study years to learn what scripture "really means".

Look at one of the earliest covenants. The rainbow is the sign that reminds us of God's covenant that he will never again destroy the earth with water.
Every time we see a rainbow, we should remember two things: judgement and grace. God judged the world and destroyed almost all. God did not cut off man from his grace by allowing Noah to repopulate earth, and eventually the birth of our Savior. We could add all kinds of other aspects to the "story" of the flood, but the covenant is simple: God will not destroy the earth by water.

Now let's look at two of more covenants; the old covenant based forgiveness on the Law, the new covenant based forgiveness on Jesus death. The pharisees were meticulous in observing the old covenant laws. They were so meticulous that to ensure they were correctly followed, they added much "story" to God's word. The result were many other additional laws that were not part of God's covenant. Now these men were good intentioned and had good knowledge of scripture. Unfortunately they thought their knowledge better than what scripture actually said and added to it.

The old covenant, based on laws was accompanied with signs just like the rainbow is a covenant sign. The old covenant signs/acts/sacraments were mainly sacrifices. One of the sacrifices was Passover. It was not the only one. Note Jesus's sacrifice ended all sacrifices, not just the Passover one.

The new covenant is loosely called the gospel. It is based on forgiveness coming from Jesus dying for our sins; not our ability to follow old covenant laws. Faith in Jesus as their Savior then provides salvation. What needs to be acknowledged is that even people that followed the old covenant were only forgiven because of Jesus death.

So now what sign do we have of this new covenant? The sacrament of communion is what we do continually to remember and acknowledge the source of our salvation and the price paid for our forgiveness.

There are many scriptures that clearly state communion is a remembrance of Jesus' death. My favorite:

1 Corinthians 11:26 For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes.

Now back to the OP, communion is an argument that a sacrament in remembrance of Jesus' death is support for Good Friday being a most important day.
 
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If there is still any debate on what relationship communion serves in the new covenant, I'll quote what scripture repeats over and over. The new covenant is based on Jesus' death.

Matthew 26:28 This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.

Mark 14:24 “This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many,” he said to them.

Luke 22:20 In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.

1 Corinthians 11:25 In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.” 26 For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes.

Ephesians 2:12 remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

Hebrews 8:12 For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more.”13 By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.

Hebrews 9:11 But when Christ came as high priest of the good things that are now already here, he went through the greater and more perfect tabernacle that is not made with human hands, that is to say, is not a part of this creation. 12 He did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves; but he entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood, thus obtaining eternal redemption. 13 The blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkled on those who are ceremonially unclean sanctify them so that they are outwardly clean. 14 How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death,[c] so that we may serve the living God! 15 For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.

Hebrews 10:29 How much more severely do you think someone deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified them, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace?

Hebrews 12:24 to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.

Hebrews 13:20 Now may the God of peace, who through the blood of the eternal covenant brought back from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great Shepherd of the sheep,

Now this last text does mention the resurrection, but note this is the end of the book of Hebrews and serves as a benediction. It is not remotely close to being a core thought taught in the book.
 
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You and your stories, ignore the significance of God's covenants. These are special, much above the many stories that are in the Bible.
If you really think that you've completely missed how the bible operates.

My argument is with you, far from God. If you wish to speak for God, quote his words, not your "story summary".
Focus entirely on the detail to the exclusion of the bigger picture (which working always through quotes and never allusions must do) is (a) not itself biblical and (b) guaranteed to make you miss the wood for the trees.


the new covenant is loosly called the gospel
That makes as much sense as saying "a navel orange is loosely called a broken arm". A gospel and a covenant are completely different kinds of thing.
 
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The day isnt important, only the knowledge of the event is important. You cant have one part of the Gospel without the other, its all important. I understand that this discussion is most likely in the spirit of fellowship and thats a good thing, but i dont believe in observing one day over another, to me every day is alike. I find no value in temporary things such as days, months and years. Forgive me, its just what i believe. Keep it simple and clear and move forward without distraction. Life has to much distraction already. That's my philosophy. :thumbsup:
 
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