The essential axiom of NT eschatology

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Am not in the least bit surprised you misunderstood what I said.

And... I've posted answers to your above quiries in thr past to no avail - as I recall, you responded from your error.

You crack me up - you ask for Scripture you well know you have deadset your view about.

In short, remain seated, you have a long wait.

I've been ignoring you as of late.

Doesn't bother me in the least you ignore me with the somewhat heretical view of scripture you have Danoh. You cannot stand against solid refutation, so you ignore it.

I address you based on what I KNOW you have erroneously stated in other post...such as "Jesus didn't fulfill the law"... http://www.christianforums.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=67194827

Your erroneous views of scripture continue to mount! However, hang around and you may get the understanding you need! :thumbsup:
 
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How do we decide if a book is based on scripture?

Every book is to be judged by how it compares to God's Word.


Link to the book
Things That Differ-Cornelius Stamm
.....................................................................................................

Excerpts from “Things That Differ” by C.R. Stam


The reader is invited to read the entire work to make sure none of the following quotes are taken out of context.


Page 33.

“It should be noted too that both the actual old and new testaments, though
they affect us, were made with the nation Israel, and that the new covenant
simply promises that Israel will one day render spontaneously the obedience
required of her under the old covenant
. (Deut. 5:1-3, Jer. 31:31).”

………………………………............................

Page 35 , 36 from the section on Prophecy and the Messianic Kingdom

“4. It will extend to all the earth: "Yea, all kings shall fall down before Him: all
nations shall serve Him" (Psa. 72:11). "And there was given Him dominion, and
glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve Him"
(Dan. 7:14). "Yea, many people and strong nations shall come to seek the Lord
of hosts in Jerusalem, and to pray before the Lord" (Zech. 8:22).

5. All Israel will then be saved: "They shall all know Me, from the least of
them unto the greatest of them" (Jer. 31:34). "I will save them ... and will
cleanse them: so shall they be My people, and I will be their God" (Ezek. 37:23).

This was confirmed by Paul in Romans 11:26, etc.

6. Israel's suffering and sorrow will then be over: "Speak ye comfortably
[comfortingly) to Jerusalem . - . that her warfare is accomplished, that her iniquity
is pardoned" (Isa. 40:2). "Give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for
mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness" (Isa. 61:3). "They
shall obtain joy and gladness, and sorrow and sighing shall flee away" (Isa.
35:10).

7. Israel will then become a blessing to all nations:
“And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy
rising" (Isa. 60:3). "And it shall come to pass, that as ye were a curse among the
heathen, 0 house of Judah, and house of Israel; so will I save you, and ye shall
be a blessing" (Zech. 8:13). "In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men
shall take hold, out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the
skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that Godis with you" (Zech. 8:23)
.
These promises date back to the covenant which God made with Abraham,:
"I will multiply thy seed ... and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be
blessed"
(Gen. 22:17,18).”

………………………………............................................................

Page 128

“Chapter XI
GOOD NEWS
THE "FOUR GOSPELS"

It has often been stated that the so-called Four Gospels are actually four
accounts of our Lord's earthly ministry as recorded by four different writers.
These four accounts are given to us in the Scripture, not as different gospels but
as portrayals of our blessed Lord Himself in four different aspects. Matthew
portrays Him as King, Mark as Servant, Luke as Man and John as God; and
each writer, while acknowledging the other aspects of Christ's person and place,
keeps consistently to the particular aspect which he was inspired to portray.

Some have suggested that one biography; one composite picture, so to
speak, would have been better, but one might as well try to depict a house by
one composite picture. It would seem rather odd to have the mop, the refuse
can, the milk box and the connection for the hose all showing up on the front
porch! And where in the picture would there be room for all the doors and
windows on all four sides? Similarly four separate accounts of our Lord's
ministry were necessary to set forth the four aspects of His person, position and
work.

IS THERE ONLY ONE GOSPEL?
But while it is technically incorrect to call these four records four gospels, it is
equally incorrect to say, as many have said, that the Scriptures present only one
Gospel


………………………………..............................................................................

Questions to be considered in reference to Stam’s book.


1. Is the Gospel preached by Paul different from the Gospel preached by Peter on the day of Pentecost or are they the same Gospel directed to a different audience?

2. Is there really more than one Gospel?

3. Will all of the descendants of Jacob be saved during the end-time or only a small remnant?

4. Has there ever been "National Salvation" or has salvation always been on an individual basis through faith?

5. Why do Dispensationalists change the word “so” which is an adverb of manner into “then” which is an adverb of time in Romans 11:26?

6. Will the salvation of most of the end-time Jews occur at His Second Coming?

7. Will Israel be a blessing to all of the nations in the future or has it already been done through the sacrifice of Christ?

8. Who is the "seed" through which all nations will be blessed? Gal. 3:16

9. Are there promises made to the descendants of Jacob that have not been fulfilled through the Cross?

10. Is the viewpoint of Mid-Acts Dispensationalism portrayed in Stam’s book based on scripture?

11. Is Mid-Acts Dispensationalism a manmade doctrine, or does it come from God?

12. Why do some Mid-Acts Dispensationalists make personal attacks on those who disagree with the doctrine?

 
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Doesn't bother me in the least you ignore me with the somewhat heretical view of scripture you have Danoh. You cannot stand against solid refutation, so you ignore it.

I address you based on what I KNOW you have erroneously stated in other post...such as "Jesus didn't fulfill the law"... http://www.christianforums.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=67194827

Your erroneous views of scripture continue to mount! However, hang around and you may get the understanding you need! :thumbsup:

I did not say He did not fulfil the Law - that is YOUR misinterpretation not only of what I said, but of what He said about that.

Contrary to your delusion, and its word twisting, "heaven and earth" have yet to "pass away till all be fulfilled."

But twist away...
 
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How do we decide if a book is based on scripture?

Every book is to be judged by how it compares to God's Word.


Link to the book
Things That Differ-Cornelius Stamm
.....................................................................................................

Excerpts from “Things That Differ” by C.R. Stam


The reader is invited to read the entire work to make sure none of the following quotes are taken out of context.


Page 33.

“It should be noted too that both the actual old and new testaments, though
they affect us, were made with the nation Israel, and that the new covenant
simply promises that Israel will one day render spontaneously the obedience
required of her under the old covenant
. (Deut. 5:1-3, Jer. 31:31).”

………………………………............................

Page 35 , 36 from the section on Prophecy and the Messianic Kingdom

“4. It will extend to all the earth: "Yea, all kings shall fall down before Him: all
nations shall serve Him" (Psa. 72:11). "And there was given Him dominion, and
glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve Him"
(Dan. 7:14). "Yea, many people and strong nations shall come to seek the Lord
of hosts in Jerusalem, and to pray before the Lord" (Zech. 8:22).

5. All Israel will then be saved: "They shall all know Me, from the least of
them unto the greatest of them" (Jer. 31:34). "I will save them ... and will
cleanse them: so shall they be My people, and I will be their God" (Ezek. 37:23).

This was confirmed by Paul in Romans 11:26, etc.

6. Israel's suffering and sorrow will then be over: "Speak ye comfortably
[comfortingly) to Jerusalem . - . that her warfare is accomplished, that her iniquity
is pardoned" (Isa. 40:2). "Give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for
mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness" (Isa. 61:3). "They
shall obtain joy and gladness, and sorrow and sighing shall flee away" (Isa.
35:10).

7. Israel will then become a blessing to all nations:
“And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy
rising" (Isa. 60:3). "And it shall come to pass, that as ye were a curse among the
heathen, 0 house of Judah, and house of Israel; so will I save you, and ye shall
be a blessing" (Zech. 8:13). "In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men
shall take hold, out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the
skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that Godis with you" (Zech. 8:23)
.
These promises date back to the covenant which God made with Abraham,:
"I will multiply thy seed ... and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be
blessed"
(Gen. 22:17,18).”

………………………………............................................................

Page 128

“Chapter XI
GOOD NEWS
THE "FOUR GOSPELS"

It has often been stated that the so-called Four Gospels are actually four
accounts of our Lord's earthly ministry as recorded by four different writers.
These four accounts are given to us in the Scripture, not as different gospels but
as portrayals of our blessed Lord Himself in four different aspects. Matthew
portrays Him as King, Mark as Servant, Luke as Man and John as God; and
each writer, while acknowledging the other aspects of Christ's person and place,
keeps consistently to the particular aspect which he was inspired to portray.

Some have suggested that one biography; one composite picture, so to
speak, would have been better, but one might as well try to depict a house by
one composite picture. It would seem rather odd to have the mop, the refuse
can, the milk box and the connection for the hose all showing up on the front
porch! And where in the picture would there be room for all the doors and
windows on all four sides? Similarly four separate accounts of our Lord's
ministry were necessary to set forth the four aspects of His person, position and
work.

IS THERE ONLY ONE GOSPEL?
But while it is technically incorrect to call these four records four gospels, it is
equally incorrect to say, as many have said, that the Scriptures present only one
Gospel


………………………………..............................................................................

Questions to be considered in reference to Stam’s book.


1. Is the Gospel preached by Paul different from the Gospel preached by Peter on the day of Pentecost or are they the same Gospel directed to a different audience?

2. Is there really more than one Gospel?

3. Will all of the descendants of Jacob be saved during the end-time or only a small remnant?

4. Has there ever been "National Salvation" or has salvation always been on an individual basis through faith?

5. Why do Dispensationalists change the word “so” which is an adverb of manner into “then” which is an adverb of time in Romans 11:26?

6. Will the salvation of most of the end-time Jews occur at His Second Coming?

7. Will Israel be a blessing to all of the nations in the future or has it already been done through the sacrifice of Christ?

8. Who is the "seed" through which all nations will be blessed? Gal. 3:16

9. Are there promises made to the descendants of Jacob that have not been fulfilled through the Cross?

10. Is the viewpoint of Mid-Acts Dispensationalism portrayed in Stam’s book based on scripture?

11. Is Mid-Acts Dispensationalism a manmade doctrine, or does it come from God?

12. Why do some Mid-Acts Dispensationalists make personal attacks on those who disagree with the doctrine?


Personal attacks, hunh? Yeah, ok. This from the likes of an individual who continually misrepresents other's views.

Your questions are that throughout - you are the one asserting that laying out the sense of a passage through passage after passage after passage in an entire book is the same as changing a word in a passage.

Rather than set out to objectively examine a thing, you set out to prove it wrong.

I can't and will not respect that. It deserves the names it inspires and no more.

You bring that on yourself by your own dishonest hand.
 
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I did not say He did not fulfil the Law - that is YOUR misinterpretation not only of what I said, but of what He said about that.

Contrary to your delusion, and its word twisting, "heaven and earth" have yet to "pass away till all be fulfilled."

But twist away...
You look at your own posts and then backtrack to try and say you didn't say what you said. The first line of your post says:
Jesus did not fulfil all the Law.

Christ said He CAME to fulfill the law Danoh. How did he come?...TWO WORDS...THE INCARNATION!!!

Did Christ commit a sin Danoh? Of course not! What does the law do Danoh? IT DEFINES SIN!!!

So now...THINK! Christ was the LAMB OF GOD. SPOTLESS and WITHOUT SIN.

Are you getting there? I said it before, and I say again...you border on heresy!
 
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You look at your own posts and then backtrack to try and say you didn't say what you said. The first line of your post says:


Christ said He CAME to fulfill the law Danoh. How did he come?...TWO WORDS...THE INCARNATION!!!

Did Christ commit a sin Danoh? Of course not! What does the law do Danoh? IT DEFINES SIN!!!

So now...THINK! Christ was the LAMB OF GOD. SPOTLESS and WITHOUT SIN.

Are you getting there? I said it before, and I say again...you border on heresy!

I said He did not fulfil ALL the Law. He said "Heaven and earth shall not pass away til ALL be fulfilled."

The Spirit through Peter asserts in Acts 3 that some things in the Law and the Prophets are yet future.

Or is this based on some notion that ALL has been fulfilled?

If so, then yeah, mine assertion will be heretical when viewed from said notion.
 
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I said He did not fulfil ALL the Law. He said "Heaven and earth shall not pass away til ALL be fulfilled."

The Spirit through Peter asserts in Acts 3 that some things in the Law and the Prophets are yet future.

Or is this based on some notion that ALL has been fulfilled?

If so, then yeah, mine assertion will be heretical when viewed from said notion.
Acts 3 makes no such an assertion! Acts 3 doesn't even mention the Law! What it does say is this...Acts 3:18
18 But the things which God announced beforehand by the mouth of all the prophets, that His Christ would suffer, He has thus fulfilled.

There's a big difference in Jesus fulfilling what the prophets wrote OF HIM, and in Jesus fulfilling the Law for us.

This is the most simple error you make...not distinguishing what Peter has said.

Have you ever read Romans 8:3-5:
3 For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh,
4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
5 For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.


The requirement of the Law is PERFECTION...Jesus is THE ONLY one that kept the Law perfectly.

Once again, you and your mentor Stam...are found WANTING!

One gospel Danoh...ONE!!!
 
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Acts 3 makes no such an assertion! Acts 3 doesn't even mention the Law! What it does say is this...Acts 3:18
18 But the things which God announced beforehand by the mouth of all the prophets, that His Christ would suffer, He has thus fulfilled.

There's a big difference in Jesus fulfilling what the prophets wrote OF HIM, and in Jesus fulfilling the Law for us.

This is the most simple error you make...not distinguishing what Peter has said.

Have you ever read Romans 8:3-5:
3 For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh,
4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
5 For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.


The requirement of the Law is PERFECTION...Jesus is THE ONLY one that kept the Law perfectly.

Once again, you and your mentor Stam...are found WANTING!

One gospel Danoh...ONE!!!

I am talking about those aspects of the Law He will fulfill at His return, not those aspects which He fulfilled for sin at His 1st Advent.

And Stam has nothing to do with what I am asserting here, that's just you applying your one size fits all foolishness to this that your flesh's need to score some fool point against another be satisfied.

Stick to the subject. You missed addressing the point about "til ALL BE fulfilled."

What He FULFILLED in His 1st Advent was "those things concerning Me" as to His "sufferings," NOT as to "the glory that SHOULD FOLLOW at His appearing... a SECOND TIME WITHOUT sin..."

Do you disagree with that; is that where we Differ as to these Things :)
 
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I am talking about those aspects of the Law He will fulfill at His return, not those aspects which He fulfilled for sin at His 1st Advent.
This is error! There's nothing for Christ to fulfill except His return. That is CONCRETE in scripture!
And Stam has nothing to do with what I am asserting here, that's just you applying your one size fits all foolishness to this that your flesh's need to score some fool point against another be satisfied.
Really? Who's the one always pushing Mid-Acts except you?
Stick to the subject. You missed addressing the point about "til ALL BE fulfilled."
So read what Jesus said Danoh! Let me refresh your memory:

Matthew 5:17, 18
17 “Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.
18 For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.

That's self explanatory!
What He FULFILLED in His 1st Advent was "those things concerning Me" as to His "sufferings," NOT as to "the glory that SHOULD FOLLOW at His appearing... a SECOND TIME WITHOUT sin..."

Do you disagree with that; is that where we Differ as to these Things :)
Indeed I do disagree with that. The error is in your reading!

The point that is being made is Christ 2nd Advent will have NOTHING to do with being a sin offering! That satisfied the Father when He died on the cross! Christ perfectly kept the Law and is our mediator!

That's what His first advent was about! John the Baptist says it in John 1:35, 36:
35 Again the next day John was standing with two of his disciples,
36 and he looked at Jesus as He walked, and *said, “Behold, the Lamb of God!”


One has to have Exodus 12 in mind to understand this. Jesus is the Passover Lamb.

Paul makes it very clear in Colossians 2:16 makes the point Christ fulfilled EVERY FEAST:
16 Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day—
17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.


Next...would you care to explain Hebrews 1:1-4?:
God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways,
2 in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world.
3 And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,
4 having become as much better than the angels, as He has inherited a more excellent name than they.


Notice the writer mentions NOTHING else Jesus needed to do! When He made "purification from sin"...He fulfilled the Law Danoh. He SAT DOWN AT THE FATHERS RIGHT HAND!

Please point out anything else Jesus has to do under the Law and the prophets.

I'm waiting...because please read this which Jesus said in Luke 24:44-47:
44 Now He said to them, “These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.”
45 Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures,
46 and He said to them, “Thus it is written, that the Christ would suffer and rise again from the dead the third day,
47 and that repentance for forgiveness of sins would be proclaimed in His name to all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem.


So once again...point out anything Jesus needs to do, other than return Danoh.
 
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There is definitely something wrong with how you are taking my words - of course He is NOT returning to die for sin again!

But there you go again with your "no, the bottle is half empty," to my "the bottle is half full."

You're even disagreeing with His Own assertion that some things remain to be fulfilled.

And round and round we go...
 
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There is definitely something wrong with how you are taking my words - of course He is NOT returning to die for sin again!
No Danoh, there's nothing wrong with "how I take your words". What I addressed was what you said:
I am talking about those aspects of the Law He will fulfill at His return, not those aspects which He fulfilled for sin at His 1st Advent.

Now Danoh...CAREFULLY READ what I said in response:
This is error! There's nothing for Christ to fulfill except His return. That is CONCRETE in scripture!
My exception is in the fact you said "there are aspects Christ didn't fulfill"...so you need to check your reading.
But there you go again with your "no, the bottle is half empty," to my "the bottle is half full."

You're even disagreeing with His Own assertion that some things remain to be fulfilled.

And round and round we go...
No Danoh, we don't go around and around...YOU DO! What else remains except for Jesus to return? Was it not Jesus who said this in John 14:3:
3 If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also.

You're kind of like Bill Clinton...saying "it depends on what the meaning of is...is". That's how your theology works.

By the way, Ebed, what is your understandting of why they were to "begin at Jerusalem"?
Read Acts 2:4 as the gospel starts:
5 Now there were Jews living in Jerusalem, devout men from every nation under heaven.

It's not hard...it's the FIRST preaching of the gospel!!:thumbsup:
Or has Isaiah 2 been "fulfilled"?
Of course it has...did you forget Isaiah 3 is simply continuing prophecy of Isaiah 2???

Look at Isaiah 3:1:
For behold, the Lord God of hosts is going to remove from Jerusalem and Judah Both supply and support, the whole supply of bread And the whole supply of water;
This was during the "divided kingdom" Danoh! There was Israel, and there was Judah. This is how you enter into error...when you don't recognize the time frame.
 
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Have it your way.
No. I'll have it the way scripture says it. It's as it was told to Isaiah and Isaiah told Judah in Isaiah 28:9-13:
9 “To whom would He teach knowledge, And to whom would He interpret the message? Those just weaned from milk? Those just taken from the breast?
10 “For He says, ‘Order on order, order on order, Line on line, line on line,
A little here, a little there.’”

11 Indeed, He will speak to this people Through stammering lips and a foreign tongue,
12 He who said to them, “Here is rest, give rest to the weary,” And, “Here is repose,” but they would not listen.
13 So the word of the Lord to them will be, “Order on order, order on order, Line on line, line on line, A little here, a little there,” That they may go and stumble backward, be broken, snared and taken captive.


So...the question is how is Danoh going to listen to scripture?

At this point you're doing just as Judah did! You're stumbling around...primarily because you won't let the scripture say what it means!
 
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No. I'll have it the way scripture says it. It's as it was told to Isaiah and Isaiah told Judah in Isaiah 28:9-13:
9 “To whom would He teach knowledge, And to whom would He interpret the message? Those just weaned from milk? Those just taken from the breast?
10 “For He says, ‘Order on order, order on order, Line on line, line on line,
A little here, a little there.’”

11 Indeed, He will speak to this people Through stammering lips and a foreign tongue,
12 He who said to them, “Here is rest, give rest to the weary,” And, “Here is repose,” but they would not listen.
13 So the word of the Lord to them will be, “Order on order, order on order, Line on line, line on line, A little here, a little there,” That they may go and stumble backward, be broken, snared and taken captive.


So...the question is how is Danoh going to listen to scripture?

At this point you're doing just as Judah did! You're stumbling around...primarily because you won't let the scripture say what it means!

You mean what YOU assert it is saying.

"All that's left is for Him to return" - talk about the height of wisdom in its own conceit. I predicted communication with you would nowhere once more.

Waste of time with you...
 
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Danoh wrote:
By the way, Ebed, what is your understandting of why they were to "begin at Jerusalem"?
ebed wrote:
Read Acts 2:4 as the gospel starts:
5 Now there were Jews living in Jerusalem, devout men from every nation under heaven.

It's not hard...it's the FIRST preaching of the gospel!!:thumbsup:

ebed: Have you ever heard of the "so called" great commission?
 
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Isaiah 2 is fulfilled??? I'm at a loss for words! You say that Isaiah 3 is a continuation of 2, but I don't see what difference it makes. But if so (and it is), you must know that 4:1-6 continues 3. It is true that there are elements in both 2 & 3 which look like the 1st century (seige and conquest), but there are also elements which cannot be fit into the 1st century (verses 12-21, for instance). Also, look at 4:2-6. Your assertion is quite exploded.

Does anyone doubt that siege and conquest are coming for present day Judah? When Judah is conquered, and as the preterist himself is hiding underground (19) from the terrifying power of God exercized against the earth, will the preterist recognize that he is living Isaiah 2? I have my doubts.
 
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Danoh wrote:
By the way, Ebed, what is your understandting of why they were to "begin at Jerusalem"?
ebed wrote:
Read Acts 2:4 as the gospel starts:
5 Now there were Jews living in Jerusalem, devout men from every nation under heaven.

It's not hard...it's the FIRST preaching of the gospel!!:thumbsup:

ebed: Have you ever heard of the "so called" great commission?
Riverrat, have you ever hear Acts to is the first event of the great commission.

What did Jesus command them in Acts 1:4, 5:
4 Gathering them together, He commanded them not to leave Jerusalem, but to wait for what the Father had promised, “Which,” He said, “you heard of from Me;
5 for John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.”


Are you getting there???
 
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