Sir... Saints have understood (since the beginning of the New Testament)
that we are REGENERATED (born again) when we (our souls) are translated
out of Satan's Kingdom into the Kingdom of Heaven.
Saints have understood and TAUGHT this Biblical Truth since the beginning.
And this Truth is still taught in many (or most) traditional Reformed Churches.
So.... the question I asked is WHY.
WHY do you think that the understanding of MOST of the "church" was wrong
(for about 2000 years) and your "new" understanding is correct.
And your response is to talk about the PHYSICAL resurrection?????
I do not know if you CONFLATING the resurrection of our SOUL with
the resurrection of our BODIES is an intentional attempt to deceive
or merely the result of your spiritual ignorance - but it does not matter.
Your position is not Biblical as it cannot harmonize with ALL SCRIPTURE
(which is WHY it was rejected as heresy a very long time ago).
You can continue to intentionally teach a doctrine that is unbiblical but
I wonder if you would be so kind as to explain to me WHEN you think
our SOULS are translates/resurrected/regenerated/born again
OUT of Satan's Kingdom and INTO the "Kingdom of Heaven"....
do you REALLY believe it occurs when our BODIES are resurrected?
Is that what you REALLY believe?
LOL
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You still have it wrong! Where in the New Testament do you find that the human soul is born again? Jesus said, "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the
Spirit is
spirit."
The regeneration takes place in our SPIRIT, not in our soul. Paul clearly teaches us that our mind (part of our soul) must be renewed to the truth of the Word of God. Our mind does not get "saved." Our feelings do not get "saved." Our will does not get "saved."
Paul said that we (our inner man or spirit man) must keep our body under. The same come be said for our soulish desires. When my flesh screams for a hot fudge sunday, or a large piece of coconut cream pie, it is the cells of my body doing this? No! It is my flesh with my soul together.
"Saints have understood and TAUGHT this Biblical Truth since the beginning."
Here is where truth departed. The truth is, Saints have understood and taught that salvation or regeneration takes place in the human SPIRIT.
"WHY do you think that the understanding of MOST of the "church" was wrong (for about 2000 years) and your "new" understanding is correct."
The truth is, the understanding of most of the church for the last 2000 years HAS BEEN CORRECT. It is YOUR understanding that is not correct.
I suggest you spend time in the commentaries that have been written in church history.
"the First Resurrection of Regeneration"
This phrase is not found anywhere in the bible.
Quote from and old source:
The Evangelical Repository, 1851
Q."What is this life and reign of the saints with Christ a thousand years?
A. The text saith, verse 6, "they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years;" and "they shall reign with him a thousand years." This life of the sould of them that were beheaded seems to be no other than the life of the body, which they did lay down in the death of the body, and which now in the resurrection they receive again, no more to die to the death of the body. Certainly this life cannot be meant of life spiritual, in opposition to death spiritual, or death in sin; because it is the life of those who were beheaded, to whom it is not granted after death to rise from sin. Besides "lived" here is all one with the resurrection here spoken of, verse 6. They lived, that is they rose again to life; which that it is mean of a corporeal, and not of a spiritual resurrection, there are in the arguments for the one and against the other. And first, these arguments in the text offer themselves for it, viz.
1. Because John speaks of the souls of them that were beheaded, that is, of those that were slain, or dead in body. And he saith, "they lived," that is, they lived again; but the dead in body lived not again but by a resurrection from the death of the body. The argument may thus be framed: - The resurrection of the dead in body is the resurrection of the body, Mat. xxii 31; Mark xii 26, Acts xxiii 6; Cor. xv12 - But the first resurrection is the resurrection of the dead in body, for it is the resurrection of those that were beheaded. Therefore, it is of the body.
2. The text speaks of such a resurrection wherein men live a thousand years after they be raised; which cannot agree to any other life or resurrection but the live and resurrection of the body. Therefore this resurrection is a bodily resurrection.
3. Such a resurrection is meant as happpenth to the rest of the dead after the thousand years are ended, who lived not again till the thousand years were finished; ver.5, which shall be of the body. Therefore this resurrection is of the body also.
4. The men that were beheaded must so live during the thousand years as the rest of the dead lived not all that while; but the rest of the dead lived all that while in soul separated from the body; therefore the men that were beheaded must live all that while in soul joined to the body.
5. The men that were beheaded must so live at the first resurrection as the rest of the dead shall at the second resurrection: but the rest of the dead shall live in body and soul too at the second resurrection; therefore, the men that were beheaded shall live in body and soul too at the first resurrection. But they cannot be said to live in their bodies unless they be raised from their graves, therefore the first resurrection is of the body from the grave. But thus we see that the text itself affords us arguments to prove that this resurrection is a corporal or bodily resurrection. It will also, secondly, afford and yield arguments to prove that it is not a spiritual resurrection;
It is very plain by this old book that back then they believed Revelation's "first resurrection" was speaking of BODILY resurrection.
The truth then, my beliefs are in agreement with church history. It is YOUR belief that is the odd man out here.
Just fess up that you were wrong, learn the truth, and go on.