Blood transfusions and organ transplant

Corduroys · Mar 21, 2015

I was wondering what people feel about these, because I am not sure I can fault the JW's too much on this point.

Surely if fornication is forbidden then the levels of intimacy from a blood transfusion or an organ donation would similarly be forbidden outside of a marriage?

Does anyone have any biblical knowledge or can point me to scripture that could be applied to the subject of blood transfusions or organ transplant?

cubanito · Mar 23, 2015

before going to Scripture, let's go to Burger King

Any JW who eats at any non-Kosher restaurant is breaking the Noahic and Mosaic covenant and needs to shut up.

As to Scripture, this is handles amond us fundys in 2 very different ways. Covenant theology which is typical of Presbytereans like myself, which sets up a non-Biblical system where the Law is categorized in 3 ways: civil, ceremonial and moral. The other method shared by dispensationalists of verious flavors and New Covenant Theology (my own favorite) which says the entire law was fulfiled in Christ and we now are free of it altogether. The new requirements on us now come ONLY from the New Testament. Thus only 9 of the tencommandments now apply, Shabbat being expressly repealed.

This was the first big problem in the Church, and Galatians is an excellent read on this.

I am a Presbyterean, I do not agree that Covenant Theology is Biblical.

JR

Corduroys · Mar 26, 2015

Thank you Cubanito that has given me some food for thought.

cubanito · Mar 27, 2015

The reply to a JW is especially effective while they have a hamburger in their mouth.

Love your "food for thought" comment!

JR

DeaconDean · Apr 29, 2015

Another problem with JW's view, is in the Torah, there is the provision that if you touch blood, you would be considered "ritually unclean" and this required a time of purification.

How many babies have been born, how many wives have given birth that did not get "blood" on them from the birth process?

This also may be a valid explaination of Luke 2:22:

"And when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were accomplished, they brought him to Jerusalem, to present him to the Lord;"

Let me also say that if my wife is in a car accident, and needs blood and an organ transplant to live, if God condemns me for that, (and He would still be righteous for doing so) so be it.

God Bless

Till all are one.

Dave-W · Apr 29, 2015

One thing that needs to be understood: being ritually unclean (called "tamay" in the Torah) is NOT sinful.

So becoming tamay from contact with blood may render you unable to go to the temple and offer a goat or lamb for a few days; (but who does that now anyway?) it does NOT mean you are sinning. Big difference.

DeaconDean · Apr 29, 2015

DaveW-Ohev said:
One thing that needs to be understood: being ritually unclean (called "tamay" in the Torah) is NOT sinful.

So becoming tamay from contact with blood may render you unable to go to the temple and offer a goat or lamb for a few days; (but who does that now anyway?) it does NOT mean you are sinning. Big difference.

First off, where did I imply or say being "ritually unclean" was "sinning"?

God Bless

Till all are one.

Dave-W · Apr 29, 2015

You did not; but most christians assume they mean the same thing.

I was posting for clarity to those who may have that idea.

DeaconDean · Apr 29, 2015

But here again, the first Apostolic Council held in Acts 15, clearly states that blood was not for consumption. But nowhere is blood transfusions or organ transplants forbidden anywhere in the scriptures. (That I know of)

Kinda settles it for me.

God Bless

Till all are one.

Dave-W · Apr 29, 2015

DeaconDean said:
But here again, the first Apostolic Council held in Acts 15, clearly states that blood was not for consumption. But nowhere is blood transfusions or organ transplants forbidden anywhere in the scriptures. (That I know of)

I agree.

I am also impressed. Acts 15 gets overlooked in many christian circles but is the basis for most of Paul's letters.

DeaconDean · Apr 29, 2015

DaveW-Ohev said:
I agree.

I am also impressed. Acts 15 gets overlooked in many christian circles but is the basis for most of Paul's letters.

A lot of Christians fail to know that in less than 7 years, around AD 40 presumably, that the first Apostolic Council met.

God Bless

Till all are one.

Resha Caner · Apr 29, 2015

DaveW-Ohev said:
One thing that needs to be understood: being ritually unclean (called "tamay" in the Torah) is NOT sinful.

So becoming tamay from contact with blood may render you unable to go to the temple and offer a goat or lamb for a few days; (but who does that now anyway?) it does NOT mean you are sinning. Big difference.

I know this is a digression, but I'd be curious to hear what purpose is served by denoting someone as ritually unclean?

classicalhero · May 2, 2015

You are confusing the fact that blood transfusions is a modern thing and much preparation goes into it to make sure the blood is clean to use. This is a totally different situation than what would happen in the Bible where you would get blood on you from killing or giving birth, but blood that is clean is an affront to the Lord and you couldn't be in his presence as a result. But also it is a way of stopping the spread of disease, which is what happened in many hospitals where doctors would examine a dead guy and then go to a pregnant woman and deliver a baby without making sure they were clean. It wasn't until Germ Theory that we discovered the reason behind the command from God.

Souldier · May 2, 2015

I use to think that many things were evil that were not. If we get wrapped up in OT law then we will think that way. What we need is to study the NEw Testament and follow only that, then we gain spiritual insight that allows us to see good things from the OT. We are not given the OT law and are not required to follow it, however once we learn to follow the law of Christ in the NT then our eyes will begin to see OT in a new way.

classicalhero · May 2, 2015

A lot of the cleanliness laws in the OT are rather useful in stopping the spread of disease.

Souldier · May 2, 2015

classicalhero said:
A lot of the cleanliness laws in the OT are rather useful in stopping the spread of disease.

I suppose there might be truth in that, but the OT law isn't what we are given as a standard of holiness. Thats all i was referring to. We already know how to stop the spread of disease so OT law isnt really needed for that. I think that there are mysteries in the OT law though, and that is where the real beauty of it is seen. These mysteries are shadows that foretell things concerning Christ.

classicalhero · May 2, 2015

There are certainly some laws that are definitely about morals, but there were laws that governed other aspects of their lives.

Souldier · May 2, 2015

classicalhero said:
There are certainly some laws that are definitely about morals, but there were laws that governed other aspects of their lives.

Yes.

Blades · May 22, 2015

Corduroys said:
I was wondering what people feel about these, because I am not sure I can fault the JW's too much on this point.

Surely if fornication is forbidden then the levels of intimacy from a blood transfusion or an organ donation would similarly be forbidden outside of a marriage?

Does anyone have any biblical knowledge or can point me to scripture that could be applied to the subject of blood transfusions or organ transplant?

Blades · May 22, 2015

Greetings in the name of Jesus
I became an organ donor after reading a bumper sticker in traffic one morning on the way to work, the bumper sticker read as follows.
BECOME AN ORGAN DONOR
HEAVEN KNOWS THEY ARE NEEDED HERE !!!

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