Can the Sabbath be separated from the other nine commandments?

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People can have Saturday off and still not be honoring the Sabbath.

Honoring the Sabbath is about understanding what it represents.

It's about allowing the seventh day of creation to strengthen our belief in a God who created all things.

It's about pondering all that God has done for us through creation and continues to do for us.

It's about experiencing a little piece of God's eternal kingdom in this temporary age.

It's about being a light to a dying world.

It's about standing up for God and His ways over the ways of man.

It's about living by faith.

It's about trusting the promises of God.

It's about being set apart for God as His people.

Unbelievers, as well as, some believers have Saturday off and could careless about the seventh day being blessed and made holy by God as part of creation itself or that Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath.

Which of these statements can you prove with scriptures?
 
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I think the problem I notice in this forum is the notion that somehow the Sabbath is different from the other nine commandments.

Most if not all Christian denominations support the 10 commandments or moral laws of the OT. This can be confirmed by looking at official creeds or statements.

One only has to listed to John Wesleys sermons about the Sabbath, to see he felt a Christian should observe the Sabbath, although he applied that to Sunday.
Show us some quoted proof that John Wesley supported the 7th day Sabbath to include proof he kept it.
The story of Nehemiah restoring the walls of Jerusalem is a type of the end time restoration of the moral law of God. The holes made in the law need to be fixed.
The Book, Nehemiah the Sabbath Reformer
There are no holes in the law.
Those who oppose observance of the Sabbath, don't realise that they are going down the path of abolition of all the 10 Commandments, which would lead to anarchy in this world.
Not so. I refer you to Rom 2:14.
It has always been Satan's plan to destroy the law of God, to follow what he wanted to do in his own heart. Thus the children of rebellion do not wish to keep the law of God (Romans 8:6-7).
Your reference makes no such claim. You need to read more of the chapter for context. It does not refer to rebellious people.
Another thing I've noticed is that people speak of the Sabbath as legalism, but perhaps they have never experienced a good Sabbath. My family opens the Sabbath together, we read the Bible and pray. Its a time we can talk together, have some special food. Then go to church the next day, perhaps a walk in nature after church. Its really a great blessing on the Sabbath. Unless you've experienced the Sabbath you don't know what your missing. Its a foretaste of heaven, and it is a time to draw closer to Jesus and trust in Him for salvation, and also remember that He is our Creator and Saviour.
When it comes to salvation, yes. Your church teaches this.
This is why in Exodus 31:13 it says that the Sabbath is a sign that it is the Lord that makes us holy. We are saved by His grace, the Sabbath teaches us that, to rest in Him.
The Book, The Mark of the Beast and the Seal of God
Exodus 31 says no such thing. It is specifically addressed to Israel alone.
 
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Yes Sabbath can be separated from the other 9 commandments.

If God said that Sabbath is a sign that fact sets it apart from the other 9.
Which of the other 9 is conditional base on what day it is?
Why would you find it an immoral act to pick up sticks to cook or warm your home on a certain day?
Good question. Maybe the sticks were naked (without bark).:p;):D
 
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Is this a trick question for you? :) To me, it seems like an honest question, but, well, you know. :) When we all get started in threads like this, we all know what it leads to, yet we do them -- we write in them! :D

The Word to remember the Sabbath and keep it holy is the fourth Word. The first four point to G-d and worship of Him. Starting with the fifth, the commands tell us how to treat others. So I suppose one may say that it separates, because it is the final of the Words to point to G-d. Is that what you intend, or have I missed your point?
It appeared to be a straightforward question. Have you addressed it to this point? Did I not address it in my first response? Did I give an uncertain response by saying that 4 applies to worship God and 6 applies to man....??
 
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I am grateful for Sabbath. I understand, however, the inconvenience of Sabbath, since the rest of Christendom mainly ignores it, making it difficult to set aside as a special day to glorify G-d with community. I remember how hard it was when I first began to set it aside. To do it, I had to buck everyone in my path, except G-d.

I bucked my old church. I bucked family members. I bucked having a day when I was able to enjoy a restaurant meal. I bucked a day when I would have (before) run up to the store for some forgotten item.

When I first started, my husband asked me, "What will this do to your testimony before the neighbors, when you aren't going to church on Sunday anymore?" I answered, "It will tell them that I am now worshiping with community on Shabbat."

Now, he worships with me on Sabbath.

It is hard to switch days to the biblical Sabbath, but it is so worth it. It is a sign forever.
I do not see what your post has to do with the topic.

Your husband must not be the leader of your household.
 
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The Sabbath is a commandment and is to be followed. Nobody will ever deny that. But let us not forget that as Christians we are not Jews that follow Judaism. That is why we can wear all types of material in our clothing, which Jews can't, we eat pork which they can't do either, and we see Jesus as the prophesied Messiah that the do not. Now because Jesus did rise on the first day of the week, Christians, not Jews, worship on what we call 'The Lords Day'. 1 Cor. 16:2 says for us to give our tythes the first day of the week. Now just because Christians are going to church on Sunday instead of the Sabbath, does not mean that the Sabbath is being dishonored, it simply means that we are recognizing that Jesus is the Messiah. Saturday worshippers (Jews) are still waiting to bring sacrifices back into play. A Christian knows that Jesus was the final and last sacrifice ever needed, so we now worship on the victory day, the day Jesus conquered death, and that would be Sunday. Pretty simple actually, if Jesus really is our savior.
You are on the right track. You do need some adjustment in your expression and perhaps your understanding of the Scripture. Personally I think much of your thinking comes from other sources besides the Scripture. I used to be confused by what is taught and the Scripture says.
 
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Prove the first one ........... here it is:

Honoring the Sabbath is about understanding what it represents.

This will be my last reply to your comments. The Spirit of God will give you understanding to your question through this verse.

Ezekiel 20:9-12 But I acted for My name’s sake, that it should not be profaned before the Gentiles among whom they were, in whose sight I had made Myself known to them, to bring them out of the land of Egypt. “Therefore I made them go out of the land of Egypt and brought them into the wilderness. And I gave them My statutes and showed them My judgments, ‘which, if a man does, he shall live by them.’ Moreover I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign between them and Me, that they might know that I am the Lord who sanctifies them.

Honoring the Sabbath is a lot more than abstaining from burning calories.

Honoring the Sabbath is one way of identifying yourself as God's people. In the last days, honoring the seventh day Sabbath will be like wearing an American flag on your shirt in Iraq.
 
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Sir, you are mixing what the Bible says and what the oral law says when it comes to mixed fabrics. The Bible does not say not to mix fabrics; it only mentions not mixing wool and linen, because that is the fabric of priestly clothing. It is not Jews who say not to eat pork and other non-food items; G-d is the One Who gave this Law in the Bible. A Jew may do whatever a Jew may choose to do, from wearing wool mixed with linen to eating things G-d has declared not to be food, but many don't, because they choose to obey the Judge, the High and Holy One, the One who created them.



It forever amazes me that some, in order to honor Messiah, choose to break the Father's Law regarding Sabbath. especially considering that He and the Father are One. It is like cutting up and discarding parts of the Declaration of Independence in order to honor the United States.

Also, can you explain why Paul, in spite of your assessment of sacrifices, paid for the young men's sacrifice when their Nazirite vow was ended -- as advised by the Apostolic leaders?
The Scripture is a big book indeed. Perhaps one day you will read all of it and believe it.

You inference about cloth is not true.
 
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I hear you........

Can the Sabbath be separated from the other 9 commandment? Why or why not?
When I examine the Scripture, I say no. It seems like some here do. At least they elevate it above the rest of the Ten Commandments. It also seems like there is a complete denial of other commandments and really the 4th seems to be at least amended. In my opinion the Sabbath is denied in practice but having some recognizable form.
 
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You know very well that I never wrote "that we still need sacrifices for the forgiveness of sins?" This is way too obvious.

As for your assertion that "We are not Jewish, nor are we gentile. We are the church (1 Cor. 10:32). Since these are three separate groups, why are you combining them?" There is no separation anymore, according to Scripture. Those in Messiah are one -- women, men, Jew, Gentile. That is basic Bible.
There is no ethnic people in Christ Jesus. I do not mean to deny anyone's heritage. Of course there are all sorts of ethnic heritages who are Christians. On the other hand Christians do not become Jews nor subject to the law issued at Sinai.
 
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This will be my last reply to your comments. The Spirit of God will give you understanding to your question through this verse.

Ezekiel 20:9-12 But I acted for My name’s sake, that it should not be profaned before the Gentiles among whom they were, in whose sight I had made Myself known to them, to bring them out of the land of Egypt. “Therefore I made them go out of the land of Egypt and brought them into the wilderness. And I gave them My statutes and showed them My judgments, ‘which, if a man does, he shall live by them.’ Moreover I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign between them and Me, that they might know that I am the Lord who sanctifies them.

Honoring the Sabbath is a lot more than abstaining from burning calories.

Honoring the Sabbath is one way of identifying yourself as God's people. In the last days, honoring the seventh day Sabbath will be like wearing an American flag on your shirt in Iraq.
Very typically misapplied Scripture.
 
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This will be my last reply to your comments. The Spirit of God will give you understanding to your question through this verse.

Ezekiel 20:9-12 But I acted for My name’s sake, that it should not be profaned before the Gentiles among whom they were, in whose sight I had made Myself known to them, to bring them out of the land of Egypt. “Therefore I made them go out of the land of Egypt and brought them into the wilderness. And I gave them My statutes and showed them My judgments, ‘which, if a man does, he shall live by them.’ Moreover I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign between them and Me, that they might know that I am the Lord who sanctifies them.

Honoring the Sabbath is a lot more than abstaining from burning calories.

Honoring the Sabbath is one way of identifying yourself as God's people. In the last days, honoring the seventh day Sabbath will be like wearing an American flag on your shirt in Iraq.

Actually maco, the works of Holy Spirit allowed Peter and Paul and others to spiritually feed the sheep of God with the word of God. It's from these scriptures comes the understanding of all doctrines.

It's actually a shame that your threads, posts, and statements are not referenced to anything in the gospel we can claim as truth.
I will always challenge your words in this forum because the scriptures are the final word.
Big question: Does your reference scriptures tells us what honoring the Sabbath represents?
Sorry maco, I cant give you a passing grade on this answer. Here's why......

#1. Honoring the Sabbath represents a test given by God to prove the children of Israel are obeying God's commandment to rest on the seventh day. That fact is clear when God first gave the Sabbath. (Ex16)
Honoring the Sabbath represents a sign of the Mosaic Covenant similar to circumcision being the Sign of the Abraham Covenant. Both signs were fulfilled by Jesus Christ.
Failing to keep this sign resulted in death to those who worked on that day.
 
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People can have Saturday off and still not be honoring the Sabbath. Honoring the Sabbath is about understanding what it represents. It's about allowing the seventh day of creation to strengthen our belief in a God who created all things. It's about pondering all that God has done for us through creation and continues to do for us. It's about experiencing a little piece of God's eternal kingdom in this temporary age. It's about being a light to a dying world. It's about standing up for God and His ways over the ways of man. It's about living by faith. It's about trusting the promises of God. It's about being set apart for God as His people. Unbelievers, as well as, some believers have Saturday off and could careless about the seventh day being blessed and made holy by God as part of creation itself or that Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath.
Simply not true nor what your church teaches.
 
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Is this a trick question for you? :) To me, it seems like an honest question, but, well, you know. :) When we all get started in threads like this, we all know what it leads to, yet we do them -- we write in them! :D

The Word to remember the Sabbath and keep it holy is the fourth Word. The first four point to G-d and worship of Him. Starting with the fifth, the commands tell us how to treat others. So I suppose one may say that it separates, because it is the final of the Words to point to G-d. Is that what you intend, or have I missed your point?
To whom is the 4th commandment addressed?
 
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