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It is statistically amazing how many times you can post wrong information. Collecting data in nature is how a great deal of science is done.

So, again, (as per usual at this point), you are simply wrong.
Yes, it's the part of the scientific method that leads to forming a hypothesis. So called climatologists need to take the next step in testing that hypothesis
 
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And yet ANOTHER error. It is not a non-sequitur. Non-Sequiturs are things that "do not follow" from earlier points. That's what the latin means.

My point follows because the people you accuse of being too stupid or evil liars (the scientists) because in your estimation they are doing "pseudoscience", actually do care about the earth.

You sit at your computer and cast accusations at people who put themselves in very difficult situations to study the earth. Something you don't do. Something you seem to have never done.

But you sit in judgement. Why is that? Is it your pride? God will take your pride and turn your earth to brass. Your pride comes before the fall. Your haughty spirit shows.

You don't even know how science is done, yet you sit in judgement of those who do science.

Again, you are wrong.
No doubt they do care about the earth. So much so that some of them seem blinded by their zeal which prevents them from following the real scientific method and relying on pseudoscience in an effort to exert power and control over the rest of us to force us to comply with their likely misguided concerns
 
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No doubt they do care about the earth. So much so that some of them seem blinded by their zeal which prevents them from following the real scientific method and relying on pseudoscience in an effort to exert power and control over the rest of us to force us to comply with their likely misguided concerns

Ask a Question
Do Background Research
Construct a Hypothesis
Test Your Hypothesis by Doing an Experiment
Analyze Your Data
Draw a Conclusion
Communicate Your Results

The bolded part of the scientific method seems to have been tossed into the waste basket in some folks zeal for their cause. Experiment=/=observations
 
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That's all data collection used to develop a hypothesis which needs to be tested, but hasn't

No that is part of the scientific method. What is an experiment defined for you?

The scientific method is usually:
Ask a Question
Do Background Research
Construct a Hypothesis
Test Your Hypothesis by Doing an Experiment
Analyze Your Data and Draw a Conclusion
Communicate Your Results

Someone asked, "Is the world getting hotter?"
Someone collected data of weather records
Someone used those records to create the hypthesis
Someone tested it by collecting data to confirm it.


Experiments are doing exactly as he described as to what they have done, unless your definition of what an experiment is different. What is your definition?
 
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Ask a Question
Do Background Research
Construct a Hypothesis
Test Your Hypothesis by Doing an Experiment
Analyze Your Data
Draw a Conclusion
Communicate Your Results

The bolded part of the scientific method seems to have been tossed into the waste basket in some folks zeal for their cause. Experiment=/=observations

I'll ask you as well.
What is your definition of doing an experiment?
 
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I'll ask you as well.
What is your definition of doing an experiment?

From the same place I copied the above:
It is important for your experiment to be a fair test. A "fair test" occurs when you change only one factor (variable) and keep all other conditions the same.

If you prefer the dictionary definition:

ikˈsperəˌment/

1.

perform a scientific procedure, especially in a laboratory, to determine something.

"she[bless and do not curse]experimented on[bless and do not curse]chickens as well as mice"

synonyms:conduct experiments,carry out trials/tests

The fact that I have to post the definition of an experiment though, tells me all I need to know about this conversation. Sorry I just don't have the time or patience to split hairs and play the define every single word and term game that so often accompanies the zealous defender of agw's arguments. See ya! :wave:
 
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No that is part of the scientific method. What is an experiment defined for you?

The scientific method is usually:
Ask a Question
Do Background Research
Construct a Hypothesis
Test Your Hypothesis by Doing an Experiment
Analyze Your Data and Draw a Conclusion
Communicate Your Results

Someone asked, "Is the world getting hotter?"
Someone collected data of weather records
Someone used those records to create the hypthesis
Someone tested it by collecting data to confirm it.


Experiments are doing exactly as he described as to what they have done, unless your definition of what an experiment is different. What is your definition?
There's the pseudoscience. Scientists don't collect data to confirm the hypothesis. That's pseudoscience. Scientists collect data to test the hypothesis, which to date has not been done.
 
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There's the pseudoscience. Scientists don't collect data to confirm the hypothesis. That's pseudoscience. Scientists collect data to test the hypothesis, which to date has not been done.

..but that is what they did. They confirmed it by testing the data they collected.
 
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No doubt they do care about the earth. So much so that some of them seem blinded by their zeal which prevents them from following the real scientific method and relying on pseudoscience in an effort to exert power and control over the rest of us to force us to comply with their likely misguided concerns

You're still on this crusade to insult, flame and libel scientists you don't know?

Wow!

This is fantastic! You've been told now many times how you are incorrect on this front, but you just double down on insulting and casting accusations toward people you don't even know!

You don't know how "real science" is done.

You don't know how real science is done. So you don't know what is or isn't pseudoscience. Please stop trying to mislead people with your misinformation.
 
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There's the pseudoscience. Scientists don't collect data to confirm the hypothesis.

COLLECTING DATA IS EXACTLY WHAT SCIENTIST DO TO CONFIRM THE HYPOTHESIS.

That's pseudoscience. Scientists collect data to test the hypothesis, which to date has not been done.

DATA IS COLLECTED TO CONFIRM THE HYPOTHESIS. THAT IS WHAT DATA IS FOR.
 
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..but that is what they did. They confirmed it by testing the data they collected.
COLLECTING DATA IS EXACTLY WHAT SCIENTIST DO TO CONFIRM THE HYPOTHESIS.



DATA IS COLLECTED TO CONFIRM THE HYPOTHESIS. THAT IS WHAT DATA IS FOR.
None of that data has been used in experimentation to confirm the hypothesis, pseudoscience
 
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None of that data has been used in experimentation to confirm the hypothesis, pseudoscience

So what exactly involves an experiment for you? Give me some better details so i can better understand your point of view.
 
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Climate change, global warming, and rising sea levels could have a devastating effect in the lives of our grandchildren. I don't write this for me. I don't expect to be here for the worst of the effects. But for the sake of those we love, shouldn't we all be concerned?

The world's major science organizations have issued strong warnings about the dangers of climate change. So why ignore the science, and persist in denial of climate change caused by burning fossil fuels?
I think that people need to consider how many ways there are to define climate change - as we're changing it all the time even without rising sea levels. In example, how often do we hear others stereotype climate change and yet they will not talk on pollution that really does impact our environment - as is the case with our trash usage:

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That's bad news for the Obama's who apparently just bought a home on one of the Hawaiian islands unconcerned about the rising sea levels

And as we all know there is no land more than 100 feet above sea level in Hawaii!

Oh wait Mauna Loa and Mauna Kea both rise over 13000 feet above Sea Level, well over twice the altitude of Denver, CO at 5,280 feet.
 
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Why do you want to puke when you hear politicians talk about the greatness of the American people and what we can do if we set our minds to it?

Yes, he used a little rhetorical license in his buttering up of the American people. He sure was flattering us. It is great to see people express such great faith in Americans, even if they used a little rhetorical license in express their admiration of Americans.

I am sorry that hearing Obama speak about the great things Americans can do if they set their minds to it makes you puke.

It wasn't that. It's the fact that he himself doesn't even believe what he said, evidenced by what he's done after all the time in office since making this speech. He wants laws passed (along with executive orders if our representatives don't do his bidding, but ours instead) that take away our right to make our own decisions and choices. With that being the case, he does not believe in the greatness of the American people. He believes in the power of the federal government. But he needed the American people to vote him into office first. That's what all the flattery was for. Doesn't it make you want to puke when someone lies to you and tries to flatter you just to get what they want?
 
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The hypothesis has not been tested, so we're stuck there, waiting for someone to actually develop a way to test it

What are you looking for, scientists to build 10 duplicates of earth with 5 burning lots of fossil fuels and 5 going green so we see what things are like 100 years from now? Such a test is, of course, impossible. But that does not mean it is impossible to predict what will happen.

Scientists have done thousands of tests and have a good understanding of how the world works. And based on this understanding, they can make accurate predictions on what will happen based on what we as humans do. Scientists around the world overwhelmingly have concluded that human-caused global warming is a huge problem for future generations.

Scientists have known for a long time that increases in carbon dioxide levels increase temperatures on a planet. Do you agree that carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas?

Scientists have shown convincingly that the carbon dioxide level on this planet have increased as a direct result of burning fossil fuels. Do you agree that burning fossil fuels have increased the carbon dioxide levels?
 
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Step back and get a little perspective on planetary history.

Like what? That 10,000 years ago, we didn't have a billion people living within a mile of a shoreline? That 1,000,000 years ago, H. sapiens hadn't evolved yet?
 
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