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And basically this is another form of denial of the problem. By ascribing the motive to something other than serious concern for a serious problem, you are implying it is not really a serious problem that needs any serious concern. And that is denial.
Fail, since the actual motivation is power and control,
 
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Alternatively, perhaps you have a very strong denial syndrome such that you keep repeating that.

What does the evidence say?
There is no evidence. Evidence would be in the form of experimentation that shows that man can affect the climate
 
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There is no evidence. Evidence would be in the form of experimentation that shows that man can affect the climate

I say testing the air every year for current carbon dioxide levels and charting the results counts as an experiment.

I say testing air bubbles in ice core layers for carbon dioxide levels in the past counts as an experiment.

I say testing annual layers of ice laid down for temperature variations by means of isotope analysis counts as an experiment.

I say having world wide thermometers reporting ground level temperatures and recording, graphing the results counts as an experiment.

I say recording average sea levels around the world and the changes therein counts as an experiment.

I say recording the depletion of glaciers around the world counts as an experiment.

I say measuring the heat capacity of air with various amounts of carbondioxide in the mixture counts as an experiment.

Do you or do you not agree?
 
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I say testing the air every year for current carbon dioxide levels and charting the results counts as an experiment.

I say testing air bubbles in ice core layers for carbon dioxide levels in the past counts as an experiment.

I say testing annual layers of ice laid down for temperature variations by means of isotope analysis counts as an experiment.

I say having world wide thermometers reporting ground level temperatures and recording, graphing the results counts as an experiment.

I say recording average sea levels around the world and the changes therein counts as an experiment.

I say recording the depletion of glaciers around the world counts as an experiment.

I say measuring the heat capacity of air with various amounts of carbondioxide in the mixture counts as an experiment.

Do you or do you not agree?
That's all data collection used to develop a hypothesis which needs to be tested, but hasn't
 
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Fail, since the actual motivation is power and control,

Just because you can't understand that people seriously care about the earth doesn't mean everyone thinks with the jaded view you seem to live by. What a dark, dark world you must live in. When someone dares care about the gift God gave us of the earth you see only "evil intent".

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That's all data collection used to develop a hypothesis which needs to be tested, but hasn't

Wrong. The hypothesis has been tested and it keeps showing up the confirmation of the AGW hypothesis.

That is why more than 90% of the earth's climate scientists believe it is real.

And further more: the fact that YOU disagree is confirmation that the science is likely right.

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That's all data collection used to develop a hypothesis which needs to be tested, but hasn't

You are even wrong on this point! DATA COLLECTION HAPPENS AS A PART OF TESTING THE HYPOTHESIS.

HOW DO YOU THINK THE HYPOTHESIS IS TESTED????

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There is no evidence. Evidence would be in the form of experimentation that shows that man can affect the climate

YET ANOTHER WRONG POST! What do you think comes out of Experiments? I'll tell you...it's EVIDENCE. That's why data is gathered.

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Just because you can't understand that people seriously care about the earth doesn't mean everyone thinks with the jaded view you seem to live by. What a dark, dark world you must live in. When someone dares care about the gift God gave us of the earth you see only "evil intent".
Non sequitur caring about the earth and politicians pushing an agenda based on pseudoscience are not the same thing
 
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Wrong. The hypothesis has been tested and it keeps showing up the confirmation of the AGW hypothesis.

That is why more than 90% of the earth's climate scientists believe it is real.

And further more: the fact that YOU disagree is confirmation that the science is likely right.
The hypothesis has not been tested, so we're stuck there, waiting for someone to actually develop a way to test it
 
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You are even wrong on this point! DATA COLLECTION HAPPENS AS A PART OF TESTING THE HYPOTHESIS.

HOW DO YOU THINK THE HYPOTHESIS IS TESTED????
Data collection during an experiment is uded to test a hypothesis, but no such experimentation has been performed to date. The only data collected so far is that necessary to develop the hypothesis
 
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YET ANOTHER WRONG POST! What do you think comes out of Experiments? I'll tell you...it's EVIDENCE. That's why data is gathered.

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Since no experiments have been conducted, no evidence to support the hypothesis has been produced.
 
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That's all data collection used to develop a hypothesis which needs to be tested, but hasn't

That's the definition of an experiment. On the other hand, word play without reference to the evidence or the reasoning from the evidence is the essence of denialism.

Nothing scientists ever did would be conceded by you to be an "experiment". That's the way you play the game of denial.
 
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AS I skimmed through the pamphlet you linked to I did not find concrete physical evidence of a cause and effect relationship. It does cite computer model data as a reason to assume a cause and effect relationship. If I am missing something perhaps you could be so kind as to quote the exact parts that show the concrete physical evidence I am searching for. When one is unimpressed by computer modelling, as i am, then it hardly suffices in this case or in the case of predictions of future disasters. I do however, not categorically rule out that the computer models may be correct I am sure they often are correct especially when used for much simpler situations with many less variables involved.
If you want to understand climate change, it will take a little more than skimming a pamphlet. A true skeptic (as opposed to a denier) would want to thoroughly review something he is skeptical of, and would change his mind if new information led him to a new conclusion.

A good start is chapters 2-6 of the full brochure I had linked to as well as the links at that site. Also James Hansson has a good book on this.

We can also discuss some of it here, but first I need to know how much you already agree with.

1. Do you agree that carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas?
2. Do you agree that humans have drastically increased the amount of carbon dioxide in the air?

You say you are not impressed with computer modeling. Sad, that is. For part of my job is doing computer models! We use those models to size new automation systems that we install. So are you saying that my computer models are a waste, and that I should get an honest job?

Computer models are widely recognized as valuable where the assumptions and procedures closely match reality. All computer models of climate need to pass a complex peer review process before the results are published. Are you saying you know things about these processes that invalidate those studies that the peer-reviewers missed? If so, what is it that they missed?
 
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That's the definition of an experiment. On the other hand, word play without reference to the evidence or the reasoning from the evidence is the essence of denialism.

Nothing scientists ever did would be conceded by you to be an "experiment". That's the way you play the game of denial.
No, it is not the definition of an experiment. Using the data collection necessary to form a hypothesis and calling it the results of a supposed experiment is pseudoscience
 
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Since no experiments have been conducted, no evidence to support the hypothesis has been produced.

It is statistically amazing how many times you can post wrong information. Collecting data in nature is how a great deal of science is done.

So, again, (as per usual at this point), you are simply wrong.
 
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Non sequitur caring about the earth and politicians pushing an agenda based on pseudoscience are not the same thing

And yet ANOTHER error. It is not a non-sequitur. Non-Sequiturs are things that "do not follow" from earlier points. That's what the latin means.

My point follows because the people you accuse of being too stupid or evil liars (the scientists) because in your estimation they are doing "pseudoscience", actually do care about the earth.

You sit at your computer and cast accusations at people who put themselves in very difficult situations to study the earth. Something you don't do. Something you seem to have never done.

But you sit in judgement. Why is that? Is it your pride? God will take your pride and turn your earth to brass. Your pride comes before the fall. Your haughty spirit shows.

You don't even know how science is done, yet you sit in judgement of those who do science.

Again, you are wrong.
 
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