Petition, Role Of Women in Minstry, SDA, Stand For The Word Of God and Christ Jesus
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Wow is all I can say. Fundamentalist has approach me privately and I do not understand? The fact is women will be ordain, it will spread not because of people but because it is the will of THE ALMIGHTY. It will happen and we all will see it is not the work of Satan. Soon the 144,000 which will be both men and women will bring in the great multitude. The 144,000 is standing around YAHWEH'S Throne receiving recognition of the work they will finish during the Time of Trouble.
ECR I am against the Catholic message but not against all the people, many will be saved during the Time of Trouble. Not only them but from all religions and non-religion, even from those who out right worship Satan! They will accept the truth and be saved. The 144,000 both men and women will be priest and kings once again and that is the end of the story.
Blessings!
ECR I am against the Catholic message but not against all the people, many will be saved during the Time of Trouble. Not only them but from all religions and non-religion, even from those who out right worship Satan! They will accept the truth and be saved. The 144,000 both men and women will be priest and kings once again and that is the end of the story.
Blessings!
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I agree wholeheartedly... to clarify, i am against the papal heirarchy just as i'm opposed to the general conference heirarchy... I sigh and cry for all people to come to the truth.
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It might come as a surprise to some of you, but the so called headship theology that is being used to oppose female ordination, is new. It was introduced to the adventist church towards the end of the 1980's, so we're talking about a relatively new doctrine.
Here is a paper that discuss the origin of this doctrine, and describes how it was introduced to the adventist church:
Smashwords ? A Short History of the Headship Doctrine in the Seventh-day Adventist Church ? a book by Gerry Chudleigh
Here is a paper that discuss the origin of this doctrine, and describes how it was introduced to the adventist church:
Smashwords ? A Short History of the Headship Doctrine in the Seventh-day Adventist Church ? a book by Gerry Chudleigh
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Ubuntu is correct in that the headship theology is a new addition to Adventist thinking. However, it is not the first time such thinking has existed in the world or even in Christian thinking. As the link he points out states, it was included in Calvinist doctrine before it was adopted in some Adventist circles. Also, using different sources, similar philosophies have been taught since ancient times to excuse wrongful treatment of women. But whether a way of thinking is old or new alone does not determine its correctness. That being said, I don't think such a headship philosophy makes coherent sense with Adventist theology or practices from the beginning of the Advent movement through the present time.
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More resources about headship theology:
Is headship theology biblical? (Pro-female ordination.)
http://static.squarespace.com/stati...7665/nad-ordination-08-headship-valentine.pdf
Minority report (Anti-female ordination.)
http://static.squarespace.com/stati.../1383690434980/nad-ordination-14-minority.pdf
Is headship theology biblical? (Pro-female ordination.)
http://static.squarespace.com/stati...7665/nad-ordination-08-headship-valentine.pdf
Minority report (Anti-female ordination.)
http://static.squarespace.com/stati.../1383690434980/nad-ordination-14-minority.pdf
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Agreed. To say that there are "issues" with headship theology is probably an understatement.
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Well we are still following the Catholic Church and her message. The beast ECR was a Catholic but when is reveal he will have left her and all religions. He will have nothing to do with ELOHIM and he knows all the church are phonies! It said clearly that the woman that we all claim to this day is the Catholic Church!
And he carried me away into a desert, by the Spirit. And I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast, filled with names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. Rev 17:3
The scarlet beast is the same beast in Chapter 13 and the fourth beast in Dan. Chapter 7. The beast was going through different periods of time and if we check it out and just read what the Bible says, we would understand it and not interpret it!
The beast was never Rome, Rome was a part of the beast. The beast had 10 horns consistently on his head.
also of the ten horns that were on its head, and the other which came up, and before whom three fell, even that horn that had eyes, and a mouth speaking great things, and its appearance was greater than his fellows.Dan 7:20
John saw the same beast, only more closely and he saw what Daniel saw.
The beast comprise the religion of all the first three beast. Here is what Daniel saw and then John and see they both saw the same beast.
And after this I was looking in the night visions. And, behold, the fourth beast was frightening and terrifying, and exceedingly strong! And to it were huge iron teeth. It devoured, and crushed, and stamped what was left with its feet. And it was different from all the beasts before it; and it had ten horns. Then I wanted to know the truth of the fourth beast, which was different from all of them, very frightening, whose teeth were of iron and its nails bronze; who devoured and crushed, and trampled what was left with its feet,Dan 7:7, 19
And I stood on the sand of the sea. And I saw a beast coming up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and on his horns ten crowns, and on its heads names of blasphemy. And the beast which I saw was like a leopard, and its feet were like the feet of a bear, and its mouth was as a lion's mouth. And the dragon gave its power to it, and its throne, and great authority. Rev 13:1, 2
Huge iron teeth that was pagan Rome Empire in the beast! Devoured, crushed and stamp with his feet is the feet of a bear and they stamp, hello! Bronze nail and a leopard identifies with Greece. Greece was know for its bronze statutes! A lion devours and there you have it and Rev Chapter 17 lets you know he is full of sin.
Now here is what SDA do as all Protestants follow the message of the Catholic Church! Cross is pagan and if you read the Greek word "stauros,"/I] in the Strong dictionary it states:
a stake or post (as set upright)
The words "cross" and "crucify" are mistranslations, a "later rendering," of the Greek words stauros and stauroo. According to Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words, STAUROS denotes, primarily, an upright pole or stake. The shape of the two-beamed cross had its origin in ancient Chaldea and was used as the symbol of the god Tammuz. In the third century A.D., pagans were received into the apostate ecclesiastical system and were permitted largely to retain their pagan signs and symbols.
In the beginning of the New Evangelical Translation is a page describing the chi-rho symbol. "The symbol above is called a chi-rho; it reminds Christians of their Savior, Jesus Christ. This emblem is composed of two Greek letters (chi = "ch" and rho = "r"), which are superimposed on each other, and form an abbreviation of the Name "CHRIST." The chi-rho emblem also stands in the columns of the New Evangelical Translation (NET) New Testament text, indicating passages which directly quote those Old Testament promises which were fulfilled in relation to or through the work of the CHRIST!" Again , there is a well-intentioned purpose with the source of the symbol apparently being not known. Cross and Chi-Rho
The Calendar we use today:
The Gregorian reform contained two parts: a reform of the Julian calendar as used prior to Pope Gregory XIII's time and a reform of the lunar cycle used by the Church, with the Julian calendar, to calculate the date of Easter. From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Pagans words just look them up please: feast (Rome), holiday (Rome), Easter-a goddess (Babylon), Valentine-Nimrod (Babylon), Christmas-Mithras (Persia), cross (Greek by the way of Egypt), trinity (Greek)
Now before you all pounce on me, try reading the history about these things and all were done under the umbrella of the Catholic Church. So please just pray and do your research first! Thank you!
Blessings!
And he carried me away into a desert, by the Spirit. And I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast, filled with names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. Rev 17:3
The scarlet beast is the same beast in Chapter 13 and the fourth beast in Dan. Chapter 7. The beast was going through different periods of time and if we check it out and just read what the Bible says, we would understand it and not interpret it!
The beast was never Rome, Rome was a part of the beast. The beast had 10 horns consistently on his head.
also of the ten horns that were on its head, and the other which came up, and before whom three fell, even that horn that had eyes, and a mouth speaking great things, and its appearance was greater than his fellows.Dan 7:20
John saw the same beast, only more closely and he saw what Daniel saw.
The beast comprise the religion of all the first three beast. Here is what Daniel saw and then John and see they both saw the same beast.
And after this I was looking in the night visions. And, behold, the fourth beast was frightening and terrifying, and exceedingly strong! And to it were huge iron teeth. It devoured, and crushed, and stamped what was left with its feet. And it was different from all the beasts before it; and it had ten horns. Then I wanted to know the truth of the fourth beast, which was different from all of them, very frightening, whose teeth were of iron and its nails bronze; who devoured and crushed, and trampled what was left with its feet,Dan 7:7, 19
And I stood on the sand of the sea. And I saw a beast coming up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and on his horns ten crowns, and on its heads names of blasphemy. And the beast which I saw was like a leopard, and its feet were like the feet of a bear, and its mouth was as a lion's mouth. And the dragon gave its power to it, and its throne, and great authority. Rev 13:1, 2
Huge iron teeth that was pagan Rome Empire in the beast! Devoured, crushed and stamp with his feet is the feet of a bear and they stamp, hello! Bronze nail and a leopard identifies with Greece. Greece was know for its bronze statutes! A lion devours and there you have it and Rev Chapter 17 lets you know he is full of sin.
Now here is what SDA do as all Protestants follow the message of the Catholic Church! Cross is pagan and if you read the Greek word "stauros,"/I] in the Strong dictionary it states:
a stake or post (as set upright)
The words "cross" and "crucify" are mistranslations, a "later rendering," of the Greek words stauros and stauroo. According to Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words, STAUROS denotes, primarily, an upright pole or stake. The shape of the two-beamed cross had its origin in ancient Chaldea and was used as the symbol of the god Tammuz. In the third century A.D., pagans were received into the apostate ecclesiastical system and were permitted largely to retain their pagan signs and symbols.
In the beginning of the New Evangelical Translation is a page describing the chi-rho symbol. "The symbol above is called a chi-rho; it reminds Christians of their Savior, Jesus Christ. This emblem is composed of two Greek letters (chi = "ch" and rho = "r"), which are superimposed on each other, and form an abbreviation of the Name "CHRIST." The chi-rho emblem also stands in the columns of the New Evangelical Translation (NET) New Testament text, indicating passages which directly quote those Old Testament promises which were fulfilled in relation to or through the work of the CHRIST!" Again , there is a well-intentioned purpose with the source of the symbol apparently being not known. Cross and Chi-Rho
The Calendar we use today:
The Gregorian reform contained two parts: a reform of the Julian calendar as used prior to Pope Gregory XIII's time and a reform of the lunar cycle used by the Church, with the Julian calendar, to calculate the date of Easter. From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Pagans words just look them up please: feast (Rome), holiday (Rome), Easter-a goddess (Babylon), Valentine-Nimrod (Babylon), Christmas-Mithras (Persia), cross (Greek by the way of Egypt), trinity (Greek)
Now before you all pounce on me, try reading the history about these things and all were done under the umbrella of the Catholic Church. So please just pray and do your research first! Thank you!
Blessings!
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Ezekiel 13:17 KJB - Likewise, thou son of man, set thy face against the daughters of thy people, which prophesy out of their own heart; and prophesy thou against them,
And those so-called 'men'...which cannot stand ...
Isaiah 3:12 KJB - [As for] my people, children [are] their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause [thee] to err, and destroy the way of thy paths.
All they which proclaim that "headship" 'theology' is not of Scripture [KJB] and is of late origin... do not know their Scriptures... nor what they do in such an assault upon God Himself, being used of Satan, using the very arguments of Satan to seek to insinuate himself into the position of The Son, through lies and eventually force.
Hence these Scriptures, Paul and others speaking by the Holy Spirit Himself:
1 Corinthians 11:3 KJV - But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God.
1 Corinthians 11:4 KJB - Every man praying or prophesying, having [his] head covered, dishonoureth his head.
Head, that is to say Christ Jesus, vs 3. For He is the Head of the man.1 Corinthians 11:4 KJB - Every man praying or prophesying, having [his] head covered, dishonoureth his head.
1 Corinthians 11:5 KJB - But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with [her] head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.
1 Corinthians 11:6 KJB - For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.
1 Corinthians 11:6 KJB - For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.
1 Corinthians 11:7 KJB - For a man indeed ought not to cover [his] head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.
1 Corinthians 11:8 KJV - For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.
Paul is referencing Genesis, right back to the very good Creation, in Genesis, before the sin of mankind.1 Corinthians 11:8 KJV - For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.
1 Corinthians 11:9 KJV - Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.
1 Corinthians 11:10 KJB - For this cause ought the woman to have power on [her] head because of the angels.
Satan insinuated that even though he was part of the "body" of the Heavenly Church, he ought to be in the place of Christ Jesus, who was the Head, and God the Father, the Head of Christ...
Ephesians 1:10 KJV - That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; [even] in him:
Written, long, long, long ago... by the Inspiration of the Holy Spirit Himself [2 Timothy 3:16; 2 Peter 1:21]...
Head:
Acts 17:29 KJB - Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
Romans 1:20 KJB - For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Colossians 2:9 KJB - For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
1 Corinthians 11:3 KJV - But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God.
Its Chiasm unbreakable [John 10:35].Romans 1:20 KJB - For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Colossians 2:9 KJB - For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
1 Corinthians 11:3 KJV - But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God.
[1] The Head of Every Man - Christ
[3] The Head of Christ - God [the Father].
"Head" [1 Corinthians 11:3 KJB] - "κεφαλή", "kephalē", where we get the word "Cephal" - https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/Lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?strongs=G2776&t=KJV[2] The Head of the Woman - The Man
[3] The Head of Christ - God [the Father].
Malachi 3:6 KJB - "For I am the LORD, I change not; ..."
Hebrews 13:8 KJV - Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
Hebrews 13:8 KJV - Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
"Definition of CEPHAL-: head <cephalad> <cephalopod>" - Cephal- - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
cephal- - Memidex dictionary/thesaurus
Cephal - definition of Cephal by Medical dictionary
The KJV translates Strongs G2776 in the following manner: head (76x). - https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/Lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?strongs=G2776&t=KJV
Christ is the Man, the Husband, the Head over the Body, the Bride, the Woman, the Church. This is the Macro level... yet the home, Husband/wife [man/woman] the Micro-cosm, and type of that great eternal-cosm relationship between The Father and The Son.
Ephesians 4:15 KJV - But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, [even] Christ:
Colossians 2:10 KJV - And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
Colossians 2:19 KJV - And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.
Colossians 2:10 KJV - And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
Colossians 2:19 KJV - And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.
Ephesians 5:23 KJV - For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
In Typology [Joseph] it is written of Jesus, yet it also speaks of The Father:
Genesis 41:40 KJB - Thou shalt be over my house, and according unto thy word shall all my people be ruled: only in the throne will I be greater than thou.
1 Corinthians 15:27 KJV - For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under [him, it is] manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
Ephesians 1:22 KJV - And hath put all [things] under his feet, and gave him [to be] the head over all [things] to the church,
Colossians 1:18 KJV - And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all [things] he might have the preeminence.
Adam, Eve the minature in type, of The Father and The Son, a lesson for all the Onlooking Unfallen [and even those angels fallen] Universe in the matter of the Great Controversy:1 Corinthians 15:27 KJV - For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under [him, it is] manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
Ephesians 1:22 KJV - And hath put all [things] under his feet, and gave him [to be] the head over all [things] to the church,
Colossians 1:18 KJV - And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all [things] he might have the preeminence.
John 1:18 KJV - No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared [him].
Genesis 2:21 KJV - And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
Genesis 2:22 KJV - And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
Genesis 2:23 KJV - And Adam said, This [is] now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
1 Corinthians 11:3 KJV - But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God.
Notice the Loving Humble Character of Christ Jesus in comparison to those pushing, warring, striving for the mastery... ye are not like my Jesus...Genesis 2:21 KJV - And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
Genesis 2:22 KJV - And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
Genesis 2:23 KJV - And Adam said, This [is] now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
1 Corinthians 11:3 KJV - But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God.
Philippians 2:1 KJV - If [there be] therefore any consolation in Christ, if any comfort of love, if any fellowship of the Spirit, if any bowels and mercies,
Philippians 2:2 KJV - Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, [being] of one accord, of one mind.
Philippians 2:3 KJV - [Let] nothing [be done] through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.
Philippians 2:4 KJV - Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others.
Philippians 2:5 KJV - Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Philippians 2:6 KJV - Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Philippians 2:7 KJV - But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Philippians 2:8 KJV - And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Philippians 2:9 KJV - Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
Philippians 2:10 KJV - That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of [things] in heaven, and [things] in earth, and [things] under the earth;
Philippians 2:11 KJV - And [that] every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ [is] Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Christ has never sought the Father's position as Head.Philippians 2:2 KJV - Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, [being] of one accord, of one mind.
Philippians 2:3 KJV - [Let] nothing [be done] through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.
Philippians 2:4 KJV - Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others.
Philippians 2:5 KJV - Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Philippians 2:6 KJV - Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Philippians 2:7 KJV - But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Philippians 2:8 KJV - And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Philippians 2:9 KJV - Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
Philippians 2:10 KJV - That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of [things] in heaven, and [things] in earth, and [things] under the earth;
Philippians 2:11 KJV - And [that] every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ [is] Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Why are you?
Please think. Please study. Please pray. please humble yourselves in the sight of God. Please, let us be one...
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Well you are long winded and you are self absorb and will not be open minded. I said what I have to say about women ordination and we are still following the Catholic message. This has nothing to with the people is with the message. You on the other hand I will pray for and leave in ELOHIM'S HAND that is all I can do.
Blessings and happy Sabbath!
Blessings and happy Sabbath!
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@philadelphiagape:
Sometimes people write poems, songs (or even books) that we like. We're not necessarily agreeing with all they stand for by sharing a song or a poem. For instance I enjoy reading the poetry of Pablo Neruda, yet I obviously don't approve of all the choices he made in his life (he made some poor decisions) or his political views.
You complained that what jojothebeloved shared was merely a poem, (which was on topic) yet you bring up a number of subjects that have absolutely nothing to do with this thread.
You can cut all the flowers but you cannot keep Spring from coming.
― Pablo Neruda
Sometimes people write poems, songs (or even books) that we like. We're not necessarily agreeing with all they stand for by sharing a song or a poem. For instance I enjoy reading the poetry of Pablo Neruda, yet I obviously don't approve of all the choices he made in his life (he made some poor decisions) or his political views.
You complained that what jojothebeloved shared was merely a poem, (which was on topic) yet you bring up a number of subjects that have absolutely nothing to do with this thread.
You can cut all the flowers but you cannot keep Spring from coming.
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Wow! Now we are judging people's poems! She had to write the way she feels, it does not have to be compare to Scriptures. You need to read Rev 3:14-19 and repent. YAHSHUA gave all of us a brain and intellect to express things the way each individual person wants to. Keep writing sister and express the way you feel!
Happy Sabbath, blessings!
Happy Sabbath, blessings!
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"By their fruits ye shall know them"...
You don't think the character of the author is important and needs to be investigated to see their motivation? Do you accept any message or beliefs from someone just because it has an emotional sentimentalism to it?
Matthew 7:15
Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
You don't think the character of the author is important and needs to be investigated to see their motivation? Do you accept any message or beliefs from someone just because it has an emotional sentimentalism to it?
Matthew 7:15
Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
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Thank you!
I did investigate the website and the authors to the best of my ability before sharing. Yet, I agree with Ubuntu that although it may be good to be aware of the beliefs of people you are sharing quotes of or poems from it is not necessary to agree with everything someone has ever said or wrote in their entire lives in order to respect and agree with a particular point they make in a particular context. I also think God gave us the ability to think and discern Christ-like lessons wherever they may be found - both in Scripture and in the world we are a part of. We are not the only Christian community having to deal with this issue, and I think we can learn from others where we are all seeking Christ and God's will.
Btw, I did not share the poem as means to convince anyone or to be an intellectual argument. When I read that poem, it was the FIRST TIME EVER that I was able to see in words what I have felt since high school regarding this subject. Being a woman who has always been taught and brought up and trained to not only go to church but to be the hands and feet of Jesus in this world - to be the body of Christ not just a body in a pew - this poem put words to feelings of disillusionment and pain I've felt since high school about this subject in the SDA Church. Since the first time I was told, "women aren't allowed to be pastors in the SDA Church," which to me felt exactly like "They Gave Me A Box." It felt like a bucket of ice water thrown in my face. It felt like a knife in my heart. It felt like being abandoned by a parent - an entire family even. People do not seem to understand the damage inflicted by this entire issue. I felt it was something needed in the discussion. Something others should be aware of. I don't care what you do with it or how you take it or even if you care to read it at all. It is not an argument. IT IS A TESTIMONY. And it was helpful to me, and I thought it could be helpful to others as well. If it's not helpful for you than leave it be.
To clarify, in case it wasn't obvious to someone... the "you" in the poem is a reference to God. It's a testimony of a woman's experience in a church where she was told her spiritual gifts, her skills, her faith, her passion, her voice, and her calling were not welcome simply because of her gender. A church where she was told to fit a particular mold of what a woman in church "should" be. She is talking to God about what she has experienced and she is trusting God with all that He has gifted her with and created her to be.
"I can trust the way you made me, the way you prepared me, the way you called me
I can lean on you for guidance and walk in the footsteps of brave women whove gone before me
I can live fully alive in you and trust that you are a God who is bigger than the box
I can set the box down and walk away
I can live for you and let you define me...Then I take your hand and we walk away, because life with you is far better than life in a box."
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I am not here to question Kate Wallace beliefs or practices. I here about the poem she wrote only. There was nothing sacrilegious about the poem! ECR you and philadelphiagape act just like SDA Pharisees. Have you two witness to this woman? Because she is like Mary in the Bible, who accusers brought her before YAHSHUA, but was soon left alone when there sins were expose!
Many of us who are in the Church will not make it and surprise some feminist, homosexuals, President Obama (that many so call SDA and other Christians hate), and so many others Adventist put down, will make it in. You do not know this woman's heart. There will be a great multitude who will be saved in the last days. My goal is to make it in myself and hopefully be selected to finish the work!
The message we seem to forget is not to judge or to be judge!
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Many of us who are in the Church will not make it and surprise some feminist, homosexuals, President Obama (that many so call SDA and other Christians hate), and so many others Adventist put down, will make it in. You do not know this woman's heart. There will be a great multitude who will be saved in the last days. My goal is to make it in myself and hopefully be selected to finish the work!
The message we seem to forget is not to judge or to be judge!
Blessings1
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What was sister White shown in regard to us learning from unbelievers...
We must always test the fruit by examining the tree...
I understand that Jojo connected with the message but that is no proof of it's verity, as Jojo pointed out. I give you scripture and SOP to warn about the danger of contact with the thoughts and ideas of those that are unconverted and you call me a Pharisee... that's fine. The message was given...
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