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Simply ask where did the atoms come from? All the evidence points towards the universe having a starting point so something must have existed before it and it must be eternal and uncreated. The fact that the universe came into existence at a certain point in time, in a certain way with natural laws to govern it points to it having a creator with a will to make it happen this way.
 
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The philosophical approach would be to ask if it would be possible for laws of nature to be truly necessary, that is independent of any other entity for their existence. Here is a commentary on Avicenna's take on the matter Boiled down, the answer is that no, there cannot be more than one thing that is necessary in and of itself, because any entity that was necessary and of itself would need to be simple (that is without parts, since if it had parts the entity as a whole would depend on its parts) and for two entities to differ from each other, they would need to differ in some part.

Once you have shown that there can only be one entity which is necessary in itself you can show that that entity must be immaterial, immutable, infinite, omnipresent, perfect, eternal, goodness and truth itself, etc. And at that point it is pretty clear that you are talking about God, even if reason alone can't get you every truth of Christianity.

I'm not committed to that argument in particular, but the point is that this theory is making philosophical statements (those being: the laws of nature are necessary, and creation of life is a necessary consequence of those laws, which makes God superfluous), and must properly be countered by other philosophical statements.

That being said, most people who are likely to trot this out are probably not going to be willing to listen to philosophical arguments, though they will be more than willing to make them. So I don't know what the best rhetorical strategy would be. For people who aren't listening to you at all it would be to state why you would have to respond philosophically, and end the conversation until they are willing to hear you out. For people who are willing to listen to you on other matters I'm not sure what the most effective argument would be.
 
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I haven't even read the article and these are my thoughts. As soon as they say "disprove God" or anything similar you know it's not going to be credible science.
It's even weaker than that, ie it's not about science at all - or beliefs, for that matter. Trying to scientifically disprove (or prove) God is like trying to count to infinity. You can't do it, by definition. That's why when someone goes "prove God exists!" they're displaying their own glaring and fundamental ignorance. It reminds me of that "can God move a rock so big he can't move it" silliness that kids like to toss around (or used to when I was a kid anyway).
 
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This has made me struggle for a very long period, but guess what, I found the answer: We can never be sure about it! The thing is, rather if the world was created on literally 6 days or no, or 6 billion years or no, or where did life come from, or if it was the Big Bang, we can't know for sure! Never!

There are a lot of young earth creationists, very good scientists, and very good evolutionist scientists too, this can be translated into the fact that evidence can be interpreted in too many forms that you can't be sure about it. All you have to do is to believe that yes, world was created by God, and yes, Adam and Eve, the creation and everything is how it happened, and that's it, they can't disprove it because we can't even be sure about what happened yesterday, how about billions of years ago?!

Let it go, and think about Christ and pray for Him to enforce you!
 
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