Ex-Muslim Terrorist

This is the link I use to follow Walid from time to time.

https://shoebat.com/


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Straightshot said:

I have few disagreements with him related to interpretation of the prophetic scriptures [for example he thinks that the "great city" of Revelation 14:8; 18:1-21 is Saudi Arabia and he thinks that the little horn of Daniel's visions will first rise in Turkey]

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He's only off the mark on Rev 14:8, 18:1-21 because Mystery Babylon became what it is only within the last 10 years while in that time he was proclaiming that to be Saudi Arabia since the latter part of the last decade. Using only prophecies in the old testament trying targeting the location of MB, he came close, Saudi Arabia is a part of Babylon in the OT's description's of modern day Babylon (All of Arabia, not solely Saudi Arabia), just not Mystery Babylon of the end times. But if you add the descriptions of MB from scriptures in the new testament and combine them with the OT, no other city in the world more accurately fit the description than Dubai, which is a city within Babylon. Note in Revelation, it calls Babylon the great a city, not a country. Prior to 2005, no one in the world could of guessed it because it just fulfilled the prophecies of Rev 14:8 after the completion of the Burg Khalifa in January of 2010. Mystery Babylon was truly a mystery until recently. The city also fulfilled an Islamic prophecy about skyscrapers in the desert at the end times.

If I get a chance, I might prove it someday. All the mountains and 300 plus islands are there. It only takes a earthquake to make all the islands and mountains disappear. The city also sits near a major faultline, and the phrase used to describe "Babylon is fallen, is fallen" (Isaiah 21:9, Rev 14:8 and Rev 18:2) is the collapse of the Burj Khlifa within the city after the major quake in Rev 16:18. He's correct about Turkey. The Euphrates emanates from Turkey. One out of two ain't bad. Nice feed on Walid though. Thanks for bringing him up.


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Straightshot said:

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I met Walid in Rapid City South Dakota

He spoke at a law enforcement conference for the city's Police department

He explained how the mosques in the US are frontings for collecting funds to support the Islamic terrorists

He might be right about Saudi Arabia, but I see the US as the "great city" part of MBG

I will post more on the forum later when I have time

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Yeah he does many public speaking on the end time mostly dealing with Israel as oppose to the Church. He's very knowledgeable of one side (and probably the best on the Middle East) but not so much the other. Followers just need to be aware of that because like everyone else, we're not all perfect on prophecy. He's correct about the funding of ISIS, some of the countries currently fighting ISIS are those the ones originally funding ISIS.

Just keep in mind, Saudi Arabia is a country not a city. Throughout Rev 14 & 18, Mystery Babylon is depicted as a city, never a country. But feel free to share your opinions on which US city you think is MB.

I believe Walid Shoebat chose Saudi Arabia because Mecca is there , the holiest city in islam.

Satan's end time masterpiece.

Straightshot said:

He has ..... but Satan will not destroy his own nesting

His beast in the little horn of Daniel's visions and the 10 other kings will not set out to destroy their own Islamic State comprised of the Muslim masses of the Middle East [Revelation 17:16-18]

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If Saudi Arabia in the end time scenario is helping the west as it has done in the past then it "IS" possible. They already fear Iran going nuclear and know that they are a target.

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Saudi Arabia does not fit the profile of Revelation 18

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Actually it does if you study it carefully and there is plenty of good information out there to help understand this.

brian57 said:

I believe Walid Shoebat chose Saudi Arabia because Mecca is there , the holiest city in islam.

Satan's end time masterpiece.

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As far as the Middle East it will be the populations of the various states there who will follow the Islamic Caliph when he arises .... at the present there is a lining up of certain political regimes like the Saudis, Egypt, and Jordan because they fear the Islamic State and Iran

And Mecca is not a great trading nation

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I agree with a few of the topics you guys mentioned, particularly those above. Saudi Arabia and Egypt will be in ruins by the end of the first half of the tribulation. The areas of Jordan will take a severe beating, particularly the southern area just before the tribulation and also in ruins by mid-trib.

And one big reason why Jerusalem will be invaded during the tribulation is because the Mecca and Medina will also be destroy in the first half leaving Jerusalem the only holy site in the Middle East.



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Here's a documentary on the artificial islands of Dubai from National Geographic. It features Dubai's Palm Island, one of the first and larger Island. The video is about 45 minutes in length but it's very informative and fascinating to watch. Around 2/3rd into the video, the commentator shows what would happen if an earthquake strikes Dubai and how the islands would sink and disappear into the sea. Their foundation are very unstable made of uncompacted sand sprayed onto the ocean floor covered in a layer of rocks and boulders. I highly recommend watching the entire video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzN3h9l9-yc

The islands and mountains are located in the city of Mystery Babylon and will get hit by the largest quake in history. Will comment on the mountains next time.

Revelation 16:18-20 New King James Version (NKJV)
18 And there were noises and thunderings and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such a mighty and great earthquake as had not occurred since men were on the earth. 19 Now the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell. And great Babylon was remembered before God, to give her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of His wrath. 20 Then every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.

Revelation 16:18-20 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
18 Then there were flashes of lightning, noises, thunder, and a big earthquake. This was the worst earthquake that has ever happened since people have been on earth. 19 The great city split into three parts. The cities of the nations were destroyed. And God did not forget to punish Babylon the Great. He gave that city the cup filled with the wine of his terrible anger. 20 Every island disappeared and there were no more mountains.


Keep in mind this video is mainly a documentary of just one of the many islands. There's 300 smaller islands in the shape of the world in the link below.

https://www.google.com/search?q=map+of+the+world+islands+dubai&biw=1164&bih=544&site=webhp&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=cSL0VLuuJcezoQSKm4KQCA&sqi=2&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ

The city is situated near a major fault line. Below is a link to all the major faults in the world. This map only shows the major faults. Notice one running through Israel too?

World Map of Fault Lines

Here's a second video. It's shows the smaller islands of the world but mostly documents the lavish luxurious lifestyle within Dubai. In the last 10-15 years, the city has become a major tourist attraction and playground for the rich. Prior to the turn of this century, Dubai was a seaport trading town out in the desert by the sea.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WipZtJJ4dgs



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The City built on Slave Labor:

Human rights in Dubai
Human rights organisations have heavily criticised violations of human rights in Dubai.[72] Most notably, some of the 250,000 foreign labourers in the city have been alleged to live in conditions described by Human Rights Watch as "less than humane".[73][74][75][76] The mistreatment of foreign workers was a subject of the disputed documentary, Slaves in Dubai (2009).​

Dubai - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUW9MWLIQYw

The Mother of Harlots:

Most things in Dubai cost a premium, even sex. From all the videos, it's not hard to realize merchants and sellers are making hefty profits selling goods and services to the many wealthy residents and tourists.

New King James Version
Revelation 18:3 (NKJV) For all the nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth have become rich through the abundance of her luxury.”

The Complete Jewish Bible
Revelation 18:3 (CJB) "For all the nations have drunk of the wine of God's fury caused by her whoring - yes, the kings of the earth went whoring with her, and from her unrestrained love of luxury the world's businessmen have grown rich."

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Revelation 18:3 (CSB) For all the nations have drunk the wine of her sexual immorality, which brings wrath. The kings of the earth have committed sexual immorality with her, and the merchants of the earth have grown wealthy from her excessive luxury.

The Darby Translation
Revelation 18:3 (DBY) because all the nations have drunk of the wine of the fury of her fornication; and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth have been enriched through the might of her luxury.

English Standard Version
Revelation 18:3 (ESV) For all nations have drunk the wine of the passion of her sexual immorality, and the kings of the earth have committed immorality with her, and the merchants of the earth have grown rich from the power of her luxurious living."​

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCaVQeiA2aI


A City founded on Foreign Trade:

Revelation 18:17-19 New King James Version (NKJV)
17 For in one hour such great riches came to nothing.’ Every shipmaster, all who travel by ship, sailors, and as many as trade on the sea, stood at a distance 18 and cried out when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, ‘What is like this great city?’
19 “They threw dust on their heads and cried out, weeping and wailing, and saying, ‘Alas, alas, that great city, in which all who had ships on the sea became rich by her wealth! For in one hour she is made desolate.’​

Pre-Oil Dubai
Dubai's geographical proximity to Iran made it an important trade location. The town of Dubai was an important port of call for foreign tradesmen, chiefly those from Iran, many of whom eventually settled in the town. By the beginning of the 20th century, it was an important port.[30] Dubai was known for its pearl exports until the 1930s; the pearl trade was damaged irreparably by the Great Depression in the 1930s and the innovation of cultured pearls. With the collapse of the pearling industry, Dubai fell into a deep depression, and many residents starved or migrated to other parts of the Persian Gulf.

A Major Oil Exporter (OPEC):

Oil Era
After years of exploration following large finds in neighboring Abu Dhabi, oil was eventually discovered in territorial waters off Dubai in 1966, albeit in far smaller quantities. The first field was named 'Fateh' or 'good fortune'. This led the emirate to grant concessions to international oil companies, thus igniting a massive influx of foreign workers, mainly Indians and Pakistanis. Between 1968 and 1975 the city's population grew by over 300%.

Dubai is a one the city of the United Arab Emirate that is a member of OPEC.

Member states of OPEC - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And they sell lots of gold as well as other luxurious amenities.

Revelation 18:12 New King James Version (NKJV)
merchandise of gold and silver, precious stones and pearls, fine linen and purple, silk and scarlet, every kind of citron wood, every kind of object of ivory, every kind of object of most precious wood, bronze, iron, and marble;​

Economy of Dubai:

Dubai World Trade Centre. Dubai has established itself as a prominent regional hub for finance, trade, tourism, and shopping. Dubai's gross domestic product as of 2011 was US $83.4 billion.

Dubai is also known as the City of Gold, because a major part of the economy is based on gold trades, with Dubai's total gold trading volumes in H1 2011 reaching 580 tonnes (average price US$1,455).


Dubai - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia




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Straightshot said:

He might be right about Saudi Arabia, but I see the US as the "great city" part of MBG

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Rev 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

According to Jesus, Only one city fits that description, Biblically speaking:

Luke 13:33 Nevertheless I must walk to day, and tomorrow, and the day following: for it cannot be that a prophet perish outside of Jerusalem.

parousia70 said:

Rev 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

According to Jesus, Only one city fits that description, Biblically speaking:

Luke 13:33 Nevertheless I must walk to day, and tomorrow, and the day following: for it cannot be that a prophet perish outside of Jerusalem.

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Now this is getting interesting. You have caused me to re think on this , Dubai and Saudi Arabia (Mecca) are not the city where the two witnesses appear and are killed by the beast , but Jerusalem is.

Thank you for that and I hope this thread will get even more interesting.

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Walid Shoebat is an ex-Muslim terrorist now a Christian Bible teacher tells of His experience and discusses the controversy between Israel and the Muslims

Between Issac and Jacob

He is a marked man and is the target of the Muslim extemists as well secular journalists and a number of religious movements of professing Christianity

I have few disagreements with him related to interpretation of the prophetic scriptures [for example he thinks that the "great city" of Revelation 14:8; 18:1-21 is Saudi Arabia and he thinks that the little horn of Daniel's visions will first rise in Turkey]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fr39IXK8trk

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That is a terrible name for the title of this thread. Muslims are not terrorists - a very small faction within their religion are.

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Rev 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

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LOL Para. Are you trying to be funny? It also said "all that were slain upon the earth." The location of Babylon wouldn't be a mystery if everyone that ever died had been slain in the same city. It's figurative language.



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TPeterY said:

LOL Para. Are you trying to be funny? It also said "all that were slain upon the earth." The location of Babylon wouldn't be a mystery if everyone that ever died had been slain in the same city. It's figurative language.



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Hi TPeterY,
Good point, since no living descendant of Cain nor any living person having anything to do with the murder of Abel, the first murdered prophet, existed in Jerusalem when Jesus said the "blood of all the prophets -from Abel on- would be required of "this generation":
Mat 23:30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets...


Mat 23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

Luk 11:49-51 Therefore also said the wisdom of God, I will send them prophets and apostles, and some of them they shall slay and persecute:

That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation;

From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias, which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation.
Those living in Jerusalem were not even the flesh children/descendants of Cain, who killed the first prophet, Abel.


So "this generation" then, is that which is called -the spiritual- "children of wrath" and the one evil generation who are all children of the devil, by their deeds done in wickedness without repentence.

But in the matter of the "mother of harlots", Mecca is the greatest, the "worst", of the harlots, as someone recently explained, like Saddan Hussein said his war would be "the mother of all wars", meaning the "worst"...

Mecca is where the idol stone that the Muslims worship and kiss and pay homage to, is set behind solid gold doors. Mecca is where Islam was born.

Walid explains Scripture on mystery Babylon, showing the names of the ancient cities and nations in today's terms and what will become of each one of them that surround Israel, and who wish her blotted out.

He also shows that Elam -in Persia/Iran, will nuke Mecca and that Edom, who intermarried with Ishmael -as the Midianites also did- will be destroyed from the bottom of the Arabian Peninsula to the top.

Interesting study is that Gog is the same word as Agag in ancient Bibles, and is translated such in the early Septuagint, and that Agag is a title of the kingly line from Amaleck, of Esau. Haman of Esther was an "agagite" not meaning that he was descended from the same whom Samuel slew -despite myth that he was- but meaning that he was of the line of kings from Amaleck just as Numbers 24 states.

Num 24:7 He shall pour the water out of his buckets, and his seed shall be in many waters, and his king shall be higher than Agag, and his kingdom shall be exalted.

Num 24:20 And when he looked on Amalek, he took up his parable, and said, Amalek was the first of the nations [note: first of the nations out of Esau's loins] ; but his latter end shall be that he perish for ever.


Exo 17:16 For he said, Because the LORD hath sworn that the LORD will have war with Amalek H6002 from generation to generation.


Eze 39:11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will give unto [Agag]Gog a place there of graves in Israel, the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea: and it shall stop the noses of the passengers: and there shall they bury [Agag]Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call it The valley of Hamongog.

A descendent of Amalek is ruling Iran, aligned with Turkey [or did I get that backwards?], and comes down to destroy Israel in the last battle and his hoardes are buried in the valley named Hamon -gog =the hoardes/multitude of "Agag", but first, they destroy the Arabian peninsula, top to bottom, as Revelation explains; and that great city, the mother of harlots, which is in the desert as John saw it, in Revelation, will be destroyed in one hour.

yeshuasavedme said in post 16:

But in the matter of the "mother of harlots", Mecca is the greatest, the "worst", of the harlots . . .

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Note that while the corrupt aspects of Mecca are included in what Revelation's symbolic "Babylon" (Revelation chapters 17-18) represents, it represents much more than just the corrupt aspects of Mecca. For Mecca just by itself doesn't reign over the kings of the earth (Revelation 17:18). Nor is Mecca the only place where people buy merchandise (Revelation 18:11). Nor is Mecca the place where all martyrs have been killed (Revelation 18:24). Nor has Mecca just by itself corrupted the entire world (Revelation 18:3). Nor has Mecca been continuously supported by the empires of fallen man throughout history (Revelation 17:9-10). Instead, Revelation's symbolic "Babylon" represents all of mankind's corrupt political (Revelation 17:18), economic (Revelation 18:11), and religious (Revelation 18:24) systems throughout the earth (Revelation 18:3), and throughout history (Revelation 17:9-10).

The 10 kings of the Antichrist's empire will destroy with fire what Revelation's "Babylon" represents (Revelation 17:16-17) when they destroy the cities of the nations (Revelation 16:19), probably with nukes (and probably with Fission-Fusion-Fission, "FFF", or "666", nukes, "F" representing the number six in English gematria), at the time of the 7th vial (Revelation 16:17,19), which will be the final event (Revelation 16:17) of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, right before Jesus' 2nd coming (Revelation 19:2 to 20:6, Matthew 24:29-31). They could do this under the direction of Lucifer/Satan (Isaiah 14:17,12), who could want to leave only a literal "scorched earth" for Jesus to return to.

Near the very end of the future tribulation, Lucifer (employing the ancient lies of Gnosticism) could say to the Antichrist and his 10 kings something like: "Our great battle against the evil, tyrant god YHWH is about to begin [Revelation 16:14, Revelation 19:19], a battle which we will win, and so we will be able to escape YHWH's prison house, this material universe, and return to the wholly-spiritual Pleroma [i.e. Heaven]. So let us now destroy this prison cell, this foul planet, and let us, as it were, burn up all the gewgaws which we have hung upon our cell walls. Let us burn up all our great cities, all our magnificent systems. Let us break all our chains of attachment to this vile physical realm, that we might more freely ascend back to our rightful place in the Pleroma [cf. Isaiah 14:13-14]".

Of course this will be a lie. For at his 2nd coming, Jesus (who is YHWH: John 10:30, Zechariah 14:3-4) will completely defeat the world's armies, arrayed against YHWH (Revelation 16:14, Revelation 19:19-21). And Jesus will have Lucifer bound in the bottomless pit during the subsequent 1,000 years (Revelation 20:1-6, Isaiah 14:15). And Jesus will restore ruined parts of the earth and make them like the Garden of Eden (Ezekiel 36:35, Isaiah 51:3). And after the 1,000 years and subsequent events (Revelation 20:7-15), God will create a new heaven (a new 1st heaven, a new sky/atmosphere for the earth) and a new earth (a new surface for the earth) (Revelation 21:1). And then God will descend from the 3rd heaven in the literal city of New Jerusalem to live with saved humanity on the new earth (Revelation 21:2-4).

yeshuasavedme said in post 16:

Interesting study is that Gog is the same word as Agag in ancient Bibles, and is translated such in the early Septuagint, and that Agag is a title of the kingly line from Amaleck, of Esau.

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Note that the Gog/Magog attack on Israel (Ezekiel chapters 38-39) won't occur until after the future millennium (Revelation 20:7-10), when there will be no defensive walls or fear of attack in Israel whatsoever (Ezekiel 38:11). This is the exact opposite of today's situation, when Israel is filled with very high defensive walls and is in constant fear of attack. At the beginning of the millennium, all present-day weapons of war throughout the world will be destroyed and they won't be allowed to be remade during the millennium (Micah 4:3-4). That is why after the millennium, the Gog/Magog armies will employ only rudimentary, wooden weapons like bows and arrows, spears, shields, and clubs (Ezekiel 39:9), which, after the defeat of the Gog/Magog armies, will be able to be used as convenient firewood by the people living in Israel at that time, instead of them having to go out and collect or cut down firewood from the forest (Ezekiel 39:10).

The Gog in Revelation 20:8 is the same as in Ezekiel chapters 38-39: an individual human whose personal name is "Gog" (Ezekiel 38:3). He will be the chief leader of a future country which will form somewhere north of Israel (Ezekiel 39:2, Ezekiel 38:15), and which will be called "Magog" (Ezekiel 38:2). It will include at least 2 major cities and/or tribes which will be called "Meshech" and "Tubal" (Ezekiel 38:2). This country could come into existence during the millennium. Gog could be born near the end of the millennium, and he will be killed and buried at the end of the Gog/Magog event (Ezekiel 39:11).

Both accounts of the event show that the Gog/Magog armies will ultimately be completely defeated by miraculous fire from heaven (Ezekiel 38:22, Revelation 20:9). While the great white throne judgment (Revelation 20:11-15) will occur subsequent to the Gog/Magog event (Revelation 20:7-15), nothing requires (as is sometimes claimed) that the great white throne judgment has to happen immediately after that event. For there will be at least 7 years (Ezekiel 39:9b) between the end of that event and the great white throne judgment.

Also, the Gog/Magog attack won't have to (as is sometimes claimed) involve only the nations listed in Ezekiel chapters 38-39. Those nations could be just a sampling. For the "nations" (ethnos), or peoples, who will be involved in the Gog/Magog attack will come from all over the earth (Revelation 20:8). They will still be physically part of Jesus' worldwide kingdom, still legally under his rule, just as they had been during the preceding millennium (Psalms 72:8-11, Psalms 66:3, Psalms 2). But after the millennium, they will be deceived by Satan into committing the attack (Revelation 20:7-10).

Also, while the Gog/Magog attack on Israel won't occur until after the future millennium (Revelation 20:7-10, Ezekiel chapters 38-39), Israel could suffer a different attack before the millennium, at the start of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, which attack could result in Israel's total defeat and occupation (Daniel 11:15-17).

And Jerusalem could be attacked and totally defeated in the future at least 3 times before the millennium: once near the start of the future tribulation (Daniel 11:22), then again mid-tribulation (Daniel 11:31), and then at the tribulation's end (Daniel 11:45), right before Jesus' 2nd coming and the start of the millennium (Zechariah 14:2-21).

yeshuasavedme said in post 16:

. . . that great city, the mother of harlots, which is in the desert as John saw it, in Revelation . . .

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Note that in Revelation 17:3, it may be only John the apostle (cf. Revelation 1:1,3) who is in the wilderness, while the woman and the beast are right next to it, floating on the sea. For the beast rises out of the sea (Revelation 13:1), and the woman sits on many waters (Revelation 17:1), on the back of the beast (Revelation 17:3). The wilderness where John is in Revelation 17:3 can represent safe wilderness places where some in the church, represented by the different woman in Revelation 12, will flee during the Antichrist's future, literal 3.5-year worldwide reign (Revelation 12:6,14, Revelation 13:4-18).

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Hi TPeterY,
Good point, since no living descendant of Cain nor any living person having anything to do with the murder of Abel, the first murdered prophet, existed in Jerusalem when Jesus said the "blood of all the prophets -from Abel on- would be required of "this generation":
Mat 23:30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets...

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WOW where have you been hiding Yeshuasavedme? I just finish writing up a page length comment on another thread but it took a whopping 2.5 hours just trying to make sure it can be easily understood and now I'm already tire. I'll comment on this tomorrow or the next day.

Glad to hear from you though.