KitKatMatt
stupid bleeding heart feminist liberal
Did the stripper seek out married men to dance in front of, or did the married man go to the strip club?
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Strip Church Helps Exotic Dancers Find New Lives
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Did the stripper seek out married men to dance in front of, or did the married man go to the strip club?
dgiharris
Old Crusty Vet
You mean apart from it debauching and coarsening society, reducing people to sexual objectification, and turning the drive behind procreation into a commercial activity?
Yes, of course, what could possibly be wrong with that.
Much better to repress sexuality and make it a taboo and immoral subject.
Whatever can go wrong with that?
Historically speaking, "proper" moral societies have committed some of the worst atrocities known to mankind, so you will have to forgive me for not feeling like stripping is some slippery slope to ruining our society.
If anything, strip clubs and things of that sort are a healthy outlet for a free society. It is much better to do these things in the light.
Think of the harm done to the country with Prohibition and the so-called War on Drugs (specifically Marijuana). At the threat of derailing the thread, trying to repress basic human urges just isn't a good thing for a society.
My last point is that I don't believe most people in this country understand what Freedom Means. I think people (especially religious types) interpret freedom as "You are free to do what I think is right"
No. Freedom means you may do pretty much whatever you want as long as it does not harm me or infringe on my liberties.
once you start "limiting" freedom to things that a select group of people define as "acceptable" you have now put us on the path to being a Christian version of Iran.
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South Bound
I stand with Israel.
The problem is that it doesn't matter what you think about sex. It matters what God has said in His Word about sex, modesty, lust, coveting, and causing a weaker brother or sister to stumble.
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dgiharris
Old Crusty Vet
There are plenty of married couples that swing, there are plenty in which the wife doesn't care if the husband goes to a strip club, and then there are plenty of wives that forbid their husbands from going. That is between them (the married man and his wife) and we shouldn't automatically assume that a married man in a strip club is a problem.
This sort of thinking and rationalization is the precursor to tyranny. Most dictators and tyrants throughout history often believed they were a good person. Many oppressors feel that they oppressing the populace "for their own good".
The problem is always those who would define what proper moral conduct is. Also, there is nothing wrong with senseless actions. I watched a guy in a Panda costume chase another guy wearing a giant diaper and it was hilarious.
If an adult wants the guidance absolutely. Otherwise, it's tyranny and I don't want to live in the Christian version of Iran.
Definitely a fair point, especially in this forum.
However, if we go this route, I can definitely see some serious anti-sex type laws being required that would be reminiscent of Prohibition and we know how well that turned out for the country
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South Bound
I stand with Israel.
I appreciate where she's coming from and I think her heart is in the right place, but all I saw in the article was that she wants to stop women from stripping because stripping is not the best choice of lifestyles.
While that's true, there was nothing in the article about sin or repentance or Christ's love for sinners or His ability to forgive.
If you tell women, "Stop stripping because stripping is immoral", that's true, but without the Gospel, it's legalism.
If you tell women, "Stop stripping because stripping is not a good life", that's true, but without the Gospel, it's pragmatism.
Both statements are true, but without the Gospel, they're still at enmity with God and their stopping stripping is only a band aid on a bullet wound.
To quote the late, great Adrian Rogers, "Of course Jesus wants us to feed and clothe them. But if we feed and clothe them without giving them the Gospel, then all we've done is to make this world a more comfortable place for them to go to Hell from".
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Or you could have gone to their website and read their mission
Nashville Strip Church
"Our goal is to show the dancers God’s love in a practical way with no strings attached. Rather than going in with a Bible or gospel tract, we simply “show and tell” them through compassion and kindness. As Billy Graham said, “It’s the Spirit’s job to convict, God’s job to judge, and my job to love.” So we take gifts, provide counsel, and offer encouragement. We tell the dancers:
Who you are and what you’ve done are not the same thing.
God knows everything about you, loves you unconditionally, and see you as 100% forgivable.
God never gives up on anybody and we don’t either.
You can never run out of second chances with God.
The NSC team goes into the club every 2 weeks with home-cooked meals, bakery items, care packages, and door prizes. NSC invites dancers to discover how valuable they are to God, by showing them how valuable they are to us."
They're doing what they feel is right in the way that they feel is right. I commend them for not attempting to enforce their views through legal means.
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dgiharris
Old Crusty Vet
Speaking as someone who was converted from Islam to Christianity, the best way to convert someone imo is through example.
Pounding someone over the head with the Gospel imo is the worst way to try to convert someone.
The best way is to be filled with the light of god. To be a good person, to be someone who others admire in all aspects of life especially the moral aspects. That light will draw others to you like moth to a flame. You let it be known that that light is due to the Gospel, due to your beliefs in god, due to your religion. Those around you will want that light (especially in their times of darkness) and THEN they will ask you about that light.
Another good approach is that the Gospel and your beliefs in Christ will just be a natural part of everything you do and that will rub off on those around you, almost like through osmosis and again, the perfect opportunity to discuss the Gospel will present itself.
However, if you go into this strip club with bible in hand ready to club the harlots down with the word of god then you will achieve the exact opposite of bringing them to god, you will drive them away.
In terms of spreading the Gospel, I think this is a pretty good way to go about it for this demographic
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That's what she's willing to publicly admit to, knowing she'll soon have to come up with a number for taxes. I've met a number of strippers in their early 20s who own their own homes, and drive sports cars(corvettes,mercedes, bmw)These are attractive, but not exceptionally good looking women I'm referring to. Strippers are about as honest when discussing income as politicians are when making election promises.
Watch how they live, not what they say.
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South Bound
I stand with Israel.
Actually, the Gospel is the only way anyone is converted. See Romans 1:16.
No. That's not Biblical. That's Joel Osteen nonsense.
Exactly. It will draw men to me.
But that wouldn't be Biblical. I don't earn "light" by my belief or my religion.
Actually, the Bible says just the opposite: that no man seeks God, but that God seeks and calls men through the proclamation of the Gospel.
If I were talking about, say, baseball, would I have to do that? Or would I just say, "Hey, did you catch the game last night"?
I'm sorry you feel that's what the Gospel is. Are you familiar with 1 Cor 1:18?
I think the way commanded and demonstrated in scripture is better.
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